Posted on 09/20/2005 10:26:43 AM PDT by NYer
Looks like I really hit a nerve with that one. Listen, I really don't want to exacerbate and internal disturbances you are obviously contending with, so I'll just continue to pray for you. God Bless.
What did I do?
ROTFLMAO Brother, I couldn't have made-up a more illogical post...and to think you did it to defend L & L....
Nah, It seems that you just didn't understand it. It's quite logical. It's actually points out how utterly stupid your post was.
But that's to be expected. I'm sure plenty of people understood it. They know your post was stupid. I know it was stupid. So, it seems you and those with the same level of candlepower are in the dark.
You obviously disagree with Luther and LeFebvre on matter of the quotes you provided. So, I took into account the subject matter and by negation surmised what you must believe.
Tell me, do you agree with Luther on this?
Luther: The veneration of Mary is inscribed in the very depths of the human heart.
Luther: [On Mary] ..highest woman and the noblest gem in Christianity after Christ . . . She is nobility, wisdom, and holiness personified. We can never honor her enough. Still honor and praise must be given to her in such a way as to injure neither Christ nor the Scriptures.
Luther: [On Mary-prior to the dogmatic definition of the Immaculate Conception] ..It is a sweet and pious belief that the infusion of Mary's soul was effected without original sin; so that in the very infusion of her soul she was also purified from original sin and adorned with God's gifts, receiving a pure soul infused by God; thus from the first moment she began to live she was free from all sin.
You're not playing fair G, you're not allowed to use logic and reason.
Sorry 'bout that Murph, I keep trying to act like out opponents in discussion but logic keeps creeping into it.
I just can't think fuzzy enough. Sorry.
Paul VI was Pope and the articles referenced by Hermann show how wrong you are about the claimed contradiction between DH and QC.
Please consider that you may be wrong and the Catholic Church right.
I don't really have much interest in searching history looking for examples of papal mistakes which were resisted. What's the point? We know that it's only legitimate to resist "were the Pope to command anything against Holy Scripture, or the articles of faith, or the truth of the Sacraments, or the commands of the natural or divine law", for then "he ought not to be obeyed, but in such commands is to be passed over." (Cardinal Turrecremata).
Since Msgr. Lefebvre wasn't resisting papal commands that were against Holy Writ, etc., his "resistance" could hardly have been correct. Nor were all his objectionable actions in the character of "resistance": for instance, consecrating bishops against the papal will, which was an act contrary to Divine Law, or the schismatic refusal to be in communion with members of the Catholic Church, which was manifested in the complete rejection of her normative rites of worship.
Can you explain what you mean by the term "manifested"?
I really can't get enough of this. Please don't stop.
Keepdefending Luther and Lefebvre contra the Papacy,Ecumenical Councils and Authority.
It shows lurkers what a schism does to one.
MurphE...LOL PLEASE continue imagining any Christianm thinks angelqueen of any value. It shows where you heart is really at.
I get stuff freepmailed to me every week or so and the stuff in there is absolutely disgusting what with all the holocaust denial, antisemitism ect and all the references to links shared by Storm Front, Neo-Nazi's, how the real Church is the sspx... etc..
MurphE real Christians laugh at angelqueen. You just dont'g et it, do you?
LOL yeah, sister you really touched a nerve. I am jealous of you and your posse at angelqueen
It has always been my goal to fraternize with schismatics. One only need read my posts to can see how much I value them :)
Marcel Lefebvre, "In the Church there is no law or jurisdiction which can impose on a Christian a diminution of his faith. All the faithful can and should resist whatever interferes with their faith.... If they are forced with an order putting their faith in danger of corruption, there is an overriding duty to disobey."
Martin Luther, "The Church of Rome, formerly the most holy of all churches, has become . . . the very kingdom of sin, death and hell; so that not even the Antichrist, if he were to come, could desire any addition to its wickedness."
Marcel Lefebvre "The See of Peter and posts of authority in Rome being occupied by Antichrists, the destruction of the Kingdom of Our Lord is being rapidly carried out even within His Mystical Body here below."
*Come on, Gerard. Try this once more...
Tell us how Luther and Lefebvre were "right" to hold such beliefs
Please, gerard, inquiring minds want to know :)
Oh, you are at liberty to accuse me of believing anything you desire. I couldn't care less. That is an obvious diversionary tactic.
But FEW know the REAL Lefebvre. Few know how insane he was. Few have read the insane and hateful words he spoke and wrote against the Pope, Council, and Mass.
What is at issue is just how much lefebvre followed Luther in words and actions...
So, gerard, please try again..Please try and defend Luther and Lefebvre :)
Tell us how they are right...
Cardinal Ratizinger (Benedict XVI) was the one who said Dignitatis Humanae contradicted Quntra Cura.
You sound obsessed with AQ, you keep bringing it up. You should see someone about that.
Quote, please?
Now, maybe you and gerard like all the antisemitism, antiBush, antiIsrael, antidemocracy, proschism, hate the pope propaganda in there but that ain't my cup of meat.
I rather like Bush and Democracy and the Pope and the Catholic Church Jesus established and I think Israel has a right to exist; but, that's just me. What do I know?
Now it is your turn to ping me and claim I am obsessed with angelqueen or you have touched a nerve or you are praying for me or whatever it is you do when you aint hanging out with the angelqueen hate team.
What do I know?
Answer: Nothing.
* I just had a second thought, sister. You may be on to something here. I might see someone about it. I might see a whole threadful of folks about it :)
I get freepmail from some who lurk there for kicks and just to see how sick that joint really is so maybe I ought to post in here some of the stuff I get in freepmail so the lurkers here can understand what it is you and gerard p. like about angelqueen and what it is that motivates and obsesses the schism. As silence is agreement some of the sick angelquen stuff ought be intructive about the real ideas motivating you and gerard p. no?
Thanks for the idea, sister.
Your obsession in the tactics of diversion has borne fruit after all :)
It will be interesting to read your "take" on important "studies" issued by the Institue for Historical Review and to read your opinions about Bishop Williamson and his Holocaust Denial and how the Jews are Cursed as a Race etc etc etc..
BTW, as you appear to be conversant with "obsessions," would you share with us angelqueens obsession with the Jews, their involvement in various conspiracies, how they control all the money/media/ Ecumenical Councils/ the Papacy ect
I get sent stuff in freepmail about angelqueen.
Care to share; dare to share? :)
So is John F. McCarthy pope?
Fr. McCarthy is not Pope. Rather, Fr. McCarthy attempts to show how Dignitatis Humane and Quanta Cura are not contradictory, that being one of the bedrock principles of the Catholic Magisterium - non-contradiction of papal teaching. In this sense, he is acting as a faithful theologian attempt to resolve the perplexing question you raise.
Remember, if we have two documents from the Popes A and B which appear to be contradictory, the misunderstanding is ALWAYS on our part in not comprehending the Papal teaching, not on the part of the Pope and his supposed misunderstanding of the intention and thoughts of his predeessors.
In canon law, "manifested" means something that is widespread public knowledge not requiring significant effort to discern, something that is known or could be easily known by the majority of people.
I.e. a Pope who would leave the Catholic Church to accept nomination as the next Presiding Bishop of the ECUSA would be a manifest heretic and schismatic. John Kerry openly living with another woman not his wife without benefit of annulment of Church marriage is manifestly living in grave sin. Archbishop Lefebvre taking to the public airwaves to denounce the New Mass and Vatican II as abominations and publicly ordaining Bishops and Priests without jurisdiction is manifestly placing himself in a schismatic position vis-a-vis the Pope and heirarchy.
OTOH, Archbishop Ngo-Dinh Thuc secretly consecrating men to the Episcopate and ordaining Priests without publicity, witnesses, or formal records is engaging in acts that are not manifest but are rather secretive.
LMAO I really can't get enough of this. Please don't stop.
Don't worry, son. I've read of Exorcisms that were like this. Christ's truth will stop the mad cackling eventually.
Keep defending Luther and Lefebvre contra the Papacy, Ecumenical Councils and Authority.
Now THAT's funny! You just read what you want to read into anything. As you copy and paste someone else's bad job of quoting anything they can find that links Luther to LeFebvre. (as if you couldn't match it up with similar statement's from Popes. Hey! Now there's an idea! ) But non-thinkers just believe the name "Luther" or "Hitler" or "Schism" is somehow what passes for a rational argument.
It shows lurkers what a schism does to one.
What schism?
MurphE...LOL PLEASE continue imagining any Christianm thinks angelqueen of any value.
Murph, Don't you realize that BC is the sole arbiter of what "Christians" think? My God! He mentioned the name "Luther" and "LeFebvre" can't you put it together? The man is a genius Murph, don't play with fire.
It shows where you heart is really at.
Naturally. Can't you see the logical flow of that statement? "Keep thinking that blah blah blah,, snort, rant, schism...toot! ..snort!....it shows you where your heart is." Brilliant, inductive thinking with a delightful splash of the Socratic method. I'm in awe.
I get stuff freepmailed to me every week or so
Because he's SUCH an important guy. Likes to keep tab though...stay in touch with the common folk.
and the stuff in there is absolutely disgusting what with all the holocaust denial, antisemitism ect
Murph, You know differently. I know differently. So who's the lurker on BC's payroll not doing his job? He obviously doesn't know what he's talking about. Oh well...nothing new.
and all the references to links shared by Storm Front, Neo-Nazi's, how the real Church is the sspx... etc..
Oops. More of that guilt by association stuff. I just googled the site with JPII. You should see all of the praise the moderator of their forums heaped on JPII over there. I guess the late Pope was a white supremacist too.
MurphE real Christians laugh at angelqueen.
"real Christians" yeah. Like McDonald's is "100% pure" beef.
You just dont'g et it, do you?
Don't get it Murph, but if you do, a little traditional Catholicism will cure it.
LOL yeah, sister you really touched a nerve. I am jealous of you and your posse at angelqueen
Yep. Murph. You've definitely touched a nerve.
It has always been my goal to fraternize with schismatics.
Orthodox? Murph, do you have any pics of bornacatholic kissing the Koran?
One only need read my posts to can see how much I value them :)
Yep. We've seen some dazzling (or dizzying?) displays. I can't wait till they're gathered in one volume. Good bedtime reading...zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
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