Posted on 04/14/2005 6:40:53 PM PDT by kellynla
BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!
Yeah, that'd happen, with New York bankers and the Secretary of the Treasury clinging to Lincoln's cuffs screaming Nooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!
Concurring thud-bump. Much more satisfying to beat the other kids up, show 'em who's boss. And think of all that money, all that political vig!
Enough to turn a bad boy's head.
It probably would have. But instead the south turned to rebellion, started a war, lost a war, had their houses and farms trashed, and haven't stopped bitchin' about it since.
They didn't. The People never do. That's what "sovereign" means. And they are -- but you never told me your answer, when I challenged you months ago.
If the People aren't sovereign, then who is?
Someone you like better, no doubt.
There was no "rebellion".
Lincoln started the war -- or do I need to quote his admiring secretary again?
So subtle. So deft.
Nah, no way. Lincoln was elected president for one purpose: beat up the South, throw 'em in jail, make 'em work for cheap.
Yeah, like the California gold fields, Colorado's silver mines, and the Comstock Lode.
I don't remember anything about their trying to "take away" federal property like Fort Bridger and Fort Osage, either. They walked away from the northern Territories, claimed New Mexico, Arizona, and Oklahoma. All else they gave up -- but you never complain about that, only about the part of the ledger where something might have stuck to them. I don't think fairness or equity is your concern here.
Yes there was.
Lincoln started the war -- or do I need to quote his admiring secretary again?
Let's quote that unnamed southern officer who first said, "Open fire." That's what started the war.
ROTFLMAO.
They had no claim to that, any more than New York or Pennsylvania did. Those were the property of the feds.
Harriet Lane's warshot at the passenger steamer Nashville was the first of the Civil War.
So we're starting to get a picture here......of what you keep refusing to tell us, who's our daddy?
So you conceive of the Federal Government as being above, as in over, as in the boss and owner of, the American People? Is it the Federal Government who, serene and unperturbable by the mewling of the mob, is the real Sovereign of the United States of America?
Is that your candidate for God Emperor?
No, that would be the confederate batteries at Charleston firing on the Rhoda Shannon a week or two prior.
<crickets..........>
No, just the states.
How can the federal government be sovereign over the states, as the states created the federal government? The several states DELEGATED some ENUMERATED powers to Constitution, which then delegated them to the "united" states. They did not delegate the power to prevent secession, or the power to wage war on a state.
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