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DeLay Apologizes for Schiavo Case Rhetoric
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| April 13, 2005
| Terence Hunt
Posted on 04/13/2005 8:21:32 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Society cannot pay millions to preserve all those in such conditions when there is NO hope they will return. It simply does not have the resources to spend. How unblievable it is what I'm reading.
This is the United States of America, we do not kill our handicapped people to save money. I take it next you'll be going into all the institutions for the mentally retarded and putting them out of their misery as well?
To: Reaganwuzthebest
The country I always knew and grew up in did. The best we can do is to make sure it never happens again.
I know I'm one of the ones who think the same as the poster who said, "my country died with Terri." Well, maybe not quite but we are on life support and I'm glad another lady who was facing the same thing was saved. I know Terri shook me so much is that I am currently anti-capital punishment on the grounds that because of Terri, the State should not have the right to take anyone's life (although taking life for self defense, the protection of society and in war is still OK with me) although criminals still should be punished. Even the war on terror and Iraq are ringing hollow with me because of Terri, I think we have lost or are losing the moral and ethical high ground. I still support those two, but I think we need to get back on track morally and ethically. Well, again, I'm glad we saved the next lady in that situation but we have opened a can of worms with Terri and we must work to re-can them even if it means "getting a larger can."
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posted on
04/13/2005 9:55:04 PM PDT
by
Nowhere Man
(Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian - Any Questions?)
To: justshutupandtakeit
Talk about hysterical melodramatic nonsense. NOthing can top "my country died" it is hilarious. You won't think it's hilarious when it happens to someone in your family. I've seen so much. I'm not alone. I'm digusted with the way the whole world seem to be so SELFISH.
You can laugh all you want. Like it or not, we ARE going downhill.
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posted on
04/13/2005 9:55:13 PM PDT
by
lula
(Starving the disabled is OK, go to jail if you do the same to an animal...go figure)
To: balch3
Which would do nothing except cause more trouble for the GOP. The best thing for the Delay and other Republicans to do is work to reign in the federal courts by limiting their jurisdiction over certain issues such as abortion, homosexual marriage, and other things that should be left to the states and to the people.
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posted on
04/13/2005 9:55:48 PM PDT
by
COEXERJ145
(Just Blame President Bush For Everything, It Is Easier Than Using Your Brain)
To: Canadian Outrage
125
posted on
04/13/2005 9:56:18 PM PDT
by
Miss Behave
(Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, super sister of danged Miss Ology, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
To: k2blader
Don't forget the evil Christians argument, mocking faith is a favorite insult of the politically pure.
To: cyncooper
To argue semantics we consider the meaning of 'independent' in contrast to that of 'separate'.
There may be a stretch of the notion of three 'separate' branches of government linked via the Constitution to an alterior meaning of 'independent' branches.
The distinction is important whereas 'separate' refers in kind to physical space and 'independent' to activities.
That the three branches are physically separate, there is no argument. However, their activities are never completely independent, ergo always dependent in some sense.
This is the crux of the issue. The judiciary is acting 'independent' when in fact they are merely separate, yet dependent on Congress for their role and jurisdiction.
Still we wonder what Tom Delay meant by his remarks and why he feels compelled in any sense to appease his accusers.
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posted on
04/13/2005 9:57:35 PM PDT
by
Hostage
To: lula
It's happening again in Georgia. It's very sad and this sort of thing has to be stopped.
To: lula
I hear you. It is frustrating as heck, isn't it?? I think the best thing we can do is to continue to pray and keep on the case of our representatives.
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posted on
04/13/2005 9:58:10 PM PDT
by
k2blader
(Immorality bites.)
To: RightWhale
Translation: I apologize for momentarily seeming as though I had a backbone. I give this apology so that I can be sure EVERYONE is mad at me.
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posted on
04/13/2005 9:58:27 PM PDT
by
The Ghost of FReepers Past
(Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
To: Lancey Howard; B Knotts; lula
To all: Thanks for offering up some sanity around here. Sometimes all I can do is shake my head when people claim that Schiavo's barbaric murder was justified by "the rule of law". bttt
To: justshutupandtakeit
Well, once again, I tried to make some arguments, and the more righteous accused me of reveling in the "murder" of someone, and another said I should be wearing a swastika. So this is the level of conversation here.
Amazing, you could change one or two words, and you would think we were at DU.
Have a good night, keep fighting.
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posted on
04/13/2005 9:59:31 PM PDT
by
Central Scrutiniser
(Remember when conservatives embraced the rule of law?)
To: balch3
No he blundered egregiously by speaking of impeaching judges for reasons not recognized by the constitution as valid. He was not speaking of impeaching for the reasons the Founders intended but because he didn't LIKE their rulings.
This is not just a "sign of weakness" but a recognition that he screwed up big time. THAT at least is positive.
Differences of opinions in the judiciary were part of the design of the Founders since they specified that the grounds of impeachment were ONLY misbehavior NOT their opinions. It is probably one of the strengths of our system that such differences exist.
The only constitutional means of changing the courts are appointments even FDR eventually had to accept that fact. It would be just as wrong for the GOP to pack the Court as it would have been for him.
To: COEXERJ145
OH PLEASE! Stop being so melodramatic. OH PLEASE! wake up!!!!!!!
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posted on
04/13/2005 9:59:40 PM PDT
by
lula
(Starving the disabled is OK, go to jail if you do the same to an animal...go figure)
To: roses of sharon
Most definitely.
I still think most of the pro-death crowd is operating from a decidedly anti-Christian viewpoint.
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posted on
04/13/2005 10:00:30 PM PDT
by
k2blader
(Immorality bites.)
To: justshutupandtakeit
Talk about hysterical melodramatic nonsense. Stop talking about yourself and your mindless posts.
To: lula
That's the problem. MONEY is more important than life? You have $100,000.
You can keep one PVS patient alive for five years. Or you can feed 100 hungry children for five years.
What are you going to do?
The problem isn't between money vs. life. It is between life vs. life. The reality is that there are not nearly sufficient resources to provide the highest level of medical care to everyone who can benefit from it, or who can be sustained in life by it. Who pays? How do you allocate limited resources? These are real-world questions.
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posted on
04/13/2005 10:01:26 PM PDT
by
malakhi
To: justshutupandtakeit
No he blundered egregiously by speaking of impeaching judges for reasons not recognized by the constitution as valid. He was not speaking of impeaching for the reasons the Founders intended but because he didn't LIKE their rulings. This is not just a "sign of weakness" but a recognition that he screwed up big time. THAT at least is positive.
DeLay has been taken to the woodshed. He is now acknowledging that he let his shotgun mouth get ahead of his BB gun butt.
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posted on
04/13/2005 10:01:50 PM PDT
by
sinkspur
(If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
To: Hostage
That the three branches are physically separate, there is no argument. However, their activities are never completely independent, ergo always dependent in some sense. This is the crux of the issue. The judiciary is acting 'independent' when in fact they are merely separate, yet dependent on Congress for their role and jurisdiction.I think you missed the co-equal part of the argument.
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posted on
04/13/2005 10:02:01 PM PDT
by
Cold Heat
(For rent.)
To: cyncooper
The Hammer is really a rubber mallet?
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posted on
04/13/2005 10:03:09 PM PDT
by
PGalt
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