Why Terri Schiavo will die tomorrow, the day Jesus Christ died (stop the satanic ritual murder!!!)

self, you ^ | March 24

[RebelBanker]

Smoky backroom? For why?

Think of it as our refuge. We can generally have a reasonable conversation here without being bothered by the lunatics. While a few fruit loops have popped in, this has been the best thread for sanity on this whole sad subject.

Many thanks to Howlin and Trinity_Tx as well as many other FReepers for keeping it going.

[Howlin]

Isn't that weird? The one thread with no calls for violence and damnation and here we are.

[the Deejay]

Thank you very much.

[First_Salute]

Toskrin is a neurologist and member of Free Republic

At: Feeding Tube Removed: Greer Gives Order - Toskrin's reply no. 2021:

I'm a neurologist who has followed this case from time to time; it's been about a year since I looked into it though.

The neurologic question seems to be if she if a persistent vegetative state (PVS) or what is called a minimally conscious state (MCS). From the videos I've seen, she probably is MCS, but just barely. In her case it's hard to be sure without actually being there during the exam. However, I understand that the videos are a few years old and that her condition may have deteriorated since.

I believe she has been examined by court-appointed neurologists who claim that she is PVS. That may be the case if she is now worse than the videos suggest, or if the videos are misleading. Unfortunately, her parents have chosen to associate with a group of doctors who are, to be polite, out of the mainstream in their practices and I don't trust their evaluations.

The bigger issue to me is whether Michael is competent to act in her best interests. Much of what he has done in the intervening time suggests that he is not.

I think if anyone has dropped the ball here, it is the Florida legislature and governor. They have had plenty of time to pass laws addressing the issue of next-of-kin and what to do when a spouse or child may not be acting in the best interests of the patient.

At: Feeding Tube Removed: Greer Gives Order - Toskrin's reply to supercat, no. 2053:

What should be clear, though, is that a 45-minute examination by a doctor is not enough to make a diagnosis that someone is in an incurable vegetative state.

Agreed, but the length of the exam is not the most important thing. The patient will probably be the same at the start of the forty-five minutes as at the end. More important is seeing the patient over time, on different days and at different times. The doctor also has to rely on the observations of reliable staff for the assessment. If five nurses tell you the patient talked, then they're not PVS, even if the doctor didn't see it.

At: Doctor: The "Water" in Terri’s Brain is a Myth [CT Scan Found As Well As Bone Scan Of Terri] - Toskrin's reply no. 31:

I'm a neurologist and have read hundreds of CT scans. Two problems with this scan are that there is no name on it and it is only a single image of the multiple image complete CT scan.

That being said, I don't see any cortex on this CT image. There is white matter but the normal "cortical ribbon" that surrounds the white matter is missing.

At: Another Doctor in Support of Terri - Toskrin's reply no. 74:

Finally, we have the report of a disinterested neurologist whos affidavit is in line with what is observed on the videotapes and gathered from other testimony. His summary is a million times more credible than either Hammesfahr's or Cranford's.

Here's a link to his bio:

http://www.mayoclinic.org/neurology-jax/11736755.html

At: Neurologists see little sign of activity in Schiavo's brain - Toskrin's reply no. 251:

[A] conventional brain MRI is not definitive at all and would add little to the argument one way or another. A PVS diagnosis is based primarily upon serial exams over time and is supplemented by functional studies - EEG, PET, and functional MRI. Any functional test, however, is going to be secondary to the results of the examinations.

At: Neurologists see little sign of activity in Schiavo's brain - Toskrin's reply to cajungirl, no. 317:

[A] PET would show areas lighting up in response to stimuli. It shows in living color the function or working of the brain...

Yes, I know. I was just interested in what msuMD * thought was wrong with the statements about PET scanning in the affidavit. I didn't see anything wrong.

I'm a neurologist and have seen thousands of CT scans and I have to say I've also seen lots of elderly people walking and talking who have that amount of brain volume. But that's a little misleading. In Terri's scan, the occipital lobes and parts of the parietal lobes are totally destroyed with no recognizable structure. I can't say I've ever seen anyone walking around like that.

In her case, any structural imaging is irrelevant. If you don't see cortex, that doesn't mean it's not there. If you do, that doesn't mean it's functioning. The recent affidavit is the strongest argument that she is in a minimally conscious state rather than a PVS.

*msuMD's statement, in reply no. 248, had been:

This doctor must re-learn what in fact a PET scan does. First of all a PET uses tagged glucose to measure uptake in the brain. A MRI evaluates structures in the brain....all of which can remain normal in a person post hypoxic encephalopathy....and mean absolutely nothing.

At: Neurologists see little sign of activity in Schiavo's brain - Toskrin's reply no. 329:

I only saw the one picture, not all the images. Yes, you can do a PET with a stimulator. It looks like she has a shunt on the CT, but it's well documented that she also has a thalamic stimulator. She might have both. For what it's worth I would guess that she almost certainly would have had a MRI done in 1990 before the stimulator was placed.

The image:

[onyx]

Good to see you have arrived safely at work.
Holiday traffic is monsterous.
Especially in your area.

(I have been quoting you, sort of). :)

[MKM1960]

Just damn! (with apologies to mhking)

[DCPatriot]

80%....90%....still this is very heartbreaking for all concerned.

[Howlin]

Wish a lot of other sane Freepers knew we were here.

Right.

But it does keep the disruptors and serial posters off THIS one.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

1st it's Terri Then it's ..... Then it's those "complain" on the internet. Then it's YOU!

[onyx]

... if ever...




Sadly, (in some cases) I think that's accurate.
In others,... well I am glad I have been enlightened.

[Drango]

Wasn't this said in the pressers,also.

Sure, and I'm not an expert here but as I understand it, as a general rule they are protected for "speech" related to their duties as congress critters, whether they are on the floor or not.

However they are not always protected for all acts... when Jim McDermott (D, Baghdad) got the illegal tape he was successfully sued by Congressman Boehner in part 'cause getting an illegal tape wasn't in his job description.

[Chad Fairbanks]

1st it's Terri Then it's ..... Then it's those "complain" on the internet. Then it's YOU!

Oh, hell, Tonk. I'm totally screwed then. A Conservative Indian Activist? People at work use me as their canary... "If I come in to work, and Chad ain't here, I'm heading for the hills pronto!"

[tiamat]

Do you have a ping list?

You could pull some buddies in here...

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

How has Governor Bush's failure to defy Judge Greer and not have DCF take Terri Schiavo into protective custody affected your view of the Governor?

I have lost a great deal of respect for him. Judges need to be reigned in. This was a good opportunity to do so.
27.5%


No change in respect, but he should have defied Greer.
27.5%

http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/poll?poll=89;results=1

[Wolfstar]

You're very welcome. The way I look at it, someone in Schiavo's condition is like a cut flower. The flower can last for awhile in a vase with water, but it actually died the moment it was cut from the plant.

[Indy Pendance]

He was just in the media limelight last, he probably understands better than most.

[stocksthatgoup]

Judge James Whittemore

[DCPatriot]

Always liked you...reading your posts over the years.

I know this must be very difficult for you.

Hopefully this will be over soon and we can go back to kicking some Liberal Butt.

[malakhi]

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[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

1/2 of FR falls into a "group"

http://freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/1370047/posts?page=1074#1074

I pray for us all.