Frist Threatens Jail for Terri [Schiavo] Judge

Newsmax ^ | 3-19-2005 | Carl Limbacher & Newsmax Staff

[Howlin]

Don't try using that red herring crap on me.

Completely ignoring the rest of my post, I'll ask you again to find ANY post where I said I wanted this womn to die.

I'm still waiting.

[tertiary01]

You said I called you a name. Please tell me where I did that. I'm waiting!!

[Howlin]

Go away; I'm not interested in discussing anything with somebody who can't hold up their end of a conversation.

[muawiyah]

Actually, NO cases like this ever end up in federal court because Congress never passed enabling legislation.

With such legislation, the official estimation is 5 or 6 cases a year at most!

You see, the big issue here is that there is disagreement within the family ~ and contrary to the intent of the Americans With Disabilities Act, we still have a state court authorizing starvation as a method for disposing of a severely disabled person who is not otherwise at death's door.

Congress is fixing the problem and trying to grant these folks at least the same level of appeal as is offered to convicted mass murderers.

You already knew that when you claimed that this particular type of case occured every day. It doesn't! And that has nothing to do with federal appeals either.

[muawiyah]

Howlin, you're splitting hairs on that one. We all know you don't even know the woman so you feel no personal animus toward her.

On the other hand........

[Howlin]

We all know you don't even know the woman so you feel no personal animus toward her.

You all know? Who is "all?"

YOu don't know jack about me or anything else I can see, other than trashing people.

[muawiyah]

Hmmm. Seems to me you've just been reduced to name-calling. Next will come the obligatory confession that you've always been a Liberal, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Hey, look, even Harry Reid stood up with Frist behind the effort to take one more look at this case, so even that won't work as an excuse for your position.

[DBeers]

You don't have to be a Rhodes Scholar to see the similarities between radical Islam and radical Christianity.

One does not have to be a Rhodes Scholar to see that your view on this topic is in the extreme minority and therefore inconsequential. You are just frustrated -go do something recreational and worry not -the majority will be just fine without your whining...

[DBeers]

I was speaking for the propensity...you do know what that means...don't cha?...of religious people to always think they are speaking or ruling from a higher moral authority...which in their little weak minds...gives them their sense of righteousness.

LOL -you have a big strong mind?

[Peach]

But you are the one who said that cases like this end up in court 5-6 times a year. LOL

And try to correct that little reading comprehension problem you have. I've already stated at least once that when I said cases like this happen every day of the year, I was referring to families who decide to remove feeding tubes or other equipment. Get it? For the second time now....

[muawiyah]

I specifically said: " one of the physicians who is a member of Congress said something like this case might arrive at a federal court 5 or 6.... You do understand "might" ~ I watched the press conference on CNN, so it wasn't filtered by FOX.

Nice try, but you're still misrepresenting what has gone on, what is going on, and what will go on.

[beyond the sea]

You eat enough garlic (3 to 5 bulbs a day) and you will eliminate all communicable disease from your life.

Eat enough garlic and I'll be very lonely.

;-)

[Peach]

And you have YET to show me a misinterpretation. Which you earlier classified as lies. Not one. And it's killing you. hehehe

[muawiyah]

Think of the Broadway shows you will be able to watch from any seat in the house!

[DBeers]

I can't believe how many people on FR sound exactly like Nazis.

Don't worry -[they] are a minority comprised of either frustrated libertarians that have and will never attain political power and frustrated DU trolls that once had but will never again attain political power. They are not bad people; however, their principles are lacking or corrupt and immoral and as such are relegated to the polticakl back of the bus where they sit and whine and bellow... ---the horrrorrrrr! LOL

[muawiyah]

Your "misinterpretation" was simply your claim that situations like that affecting Mrs. Schiavo happen every day.

It turns out they don't.

Remember, she's conscious.

I fear you are like the people at the New York Times who are all upset about panties on the head, but think of dehydration and starvation as run of the mill, ho-hum stuff.

On a different thread it has been proposed that the NYT people show us how it's done, en masse.

You can join them if you wish. We'll have coverage from remote cameras linked to FR. There'll be an update every 10 minutes. Your family can watch you from the comfort of your home.

So, what say? Prove to us that it's not without discomfort ~ demonstrate that we're all wrong.

[DBeers]

Sorry pal, but we are driving the car now. Best take the bus.

ROTFLMAO

[Peach]

Hospital staff watch people remove loved ones from feeding tubes or life saving equipment every day. If you don't understand that, you're living in a dream world.

[Polybius]

What I don't get is why Freepers keep saying that Greer had no authority to overrule the subpoena. They keep forgetting that Congressional lawyers flew to Florida and ASKED Greer to rule on it. In other words, Congress recognized the judge's authority.

Why?

Because of the Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution.

A Florida State Judge has the power to rule in matters of Florida State law.

A Congressional subpoena has the force of Federal law.

When State law and Federal law are in conflict, the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution states:

Article. VI. ............... This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

The Judge was first asked politely to comply with the Congressional subpoena. The Schiavo bill that will be passed shortly after midnight tonight will make the matter even more crystal clear to that State Judge.

If Judge Greer interferes further, as did Arkansas Governor Orval Faubus in Little Rock, Arkansas in 1957, that Florida State Judge may find the Supremacy Clause made even clearer to him in a less subtle or polite way.

[muawiyah]

So family members watch. Now, how many times do you think there's the sort of conflict you find in this family?

You may think these situations are common, but they aren't. In almost every case you are talking about people with only a few days to live under the best conditions ~ Mrs. Schiavo lasted 15 years!

I think you'd better listen to Bill Frist on this one. He's a doctor, and a legislator.