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GASP! Are you challenging the veracity of the Newspaper of Record, The Old Gray Lady, the much vaunted and heralded NEW YORK TIMES???

UN-believable!

And you are believing them?

Pathetic.

No, they were cheering Joe Paterno. Try to pay attention.

I was. I specifically asked Nitt what he heard, and it compared to what the people I knew at the game said; there were no sustained, loud cheering for Paterno. There were attempts to get a "JoePa" cheer going, but only by very few people.

As for my beliefs that Paterno & company may very well be facing hard time I’ll place them up against YOUR views that they won’t be.

Where the hell did I say that? I only pointed out what the AG said.

you Paterno fans might not like what turns up.

Let's be clear Sparky, as NittanyLion can attest to, I am very far from being a "Paterno fan". I just like to get the facts straight, like the Attorney General of the State of Pennsylvania saying "Paterno is not a target of the criminal investigation". And indeed she has even gone so far as to express "concern" over Penn State's firing of Paterno.

If they were cheering, they were enablers.

OK, they were cheering the team on the field. Unless you are alleging the players are pedophiles, the only thing they were "enabling" were the team.

Demographic statistics puts some of each of those other two categories in a crowd that large.

Huh? In a crowd of over 100,000 there are all sorts of bad people, so that makes the entire crowd bad? Isn't that a colossally stupid example of guilt by association?

captain obvious

Let me point out what I said:

"Obviously more information could come to light"

The joke doesn't work if the word "obvious" is in the statement you are ridiculing.

The rest of your screed is, as you already admitted, your own "guess work", and about as enlightening as your weak attempt at a joke.

As far as I can see this is another trial and conviction by media. Only some charges have been made, there has been no trial nor conviction. And yet punishments have already been dealt out even to some who have not been charged. We should not declare guilt before a trial is completed because it makes us appear to be like those black hats up in Salem in the 1600s.

Well, we know that Sandusky is on record as having to admitted to inappropriate contact with Victim 1 to his mother with 2 police in the next room listening. God only knows (literally) why Gricar didn't prosecute.

Having said that, considering that the DA has said that neither Paterno nor McQueary are currently in danger of indictment, there is desire to go after those two for their egregious moral failings.

Nobody is saying the people cheering were child abusers, but certainly we were questioning their priorities, which I think is fair.

Well, there's this:

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Well then, the rest are either enablers or voyeurs.

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Seems pretty clear.

So why were you cheering? That sounds like idiocy to me.

No, what is idiocy is accusing people cheering at a football game of being child abusers.

Can't say I can work myself into a lather over the somewhat immature worldview of college students...that's practically universal and expected.

Agreed.

The people at the game felt the crowd, considering there were almost 108,000 of them, behaved quite well.

I must say the meeting at the center of the field and the talk/prayer by Husker asst. Ron Brown gave me chills. A real lesson for a lot of young men on the day.

For now. When the indictments begin coming down we’ll see how old Joe fares. I’d wager obstruction of justice, conspiracy after the fact and/or enabling of a felony.

Based on what? The indictments with regard to the grand jury have already been handed down, and the AG of PA has stated that "Paterno is not a target of the investigation". Obviously more information could come to light, but considering pretty much everything we know is from the GJ report, I'm not sure what you are basing your statement on.

Hey Nit, tough week. Being in the area I've spoken to many, many PSU fans, and they all seem to be in a state of shock. I saw some last nite and none of them mentioned this cheer. Was it that loud? Could they have been in a section far enough away to not hear it?

Nevertheless, I must say that the tone of a lot of the posters around recently caused me to do something I never thought I'd do, root for Penn State (ahem, at least for the Nebraska game ;-) ). I think the term "spittle-flecked" describes the tone of many around here rather nicely.

Chin up.

Then he might not have gotten that cherished WR coaching job?

So by reporting Sandusky he was able to secure a coaching job. And by NOT reporting him he would NOT have gotten the job.

Huh?

If any normal person saw a child being raped and just walked away, it would haunt them for the rest of their life. Actually, anyone who saw a child being raped and just walked away is not normal. Andyone who doesn’t try to stop it is not normal. McQueary is not normal. There’s something wrong with his moral compass.

Yep. And I say so (I said he was culpable), earlier in the thread.

But what some don't realize is that while you guys are beating him up relentlessly and theorizing that "Victim #2" is dead, there would be no "Victim #2" or, most likely, no prosecution at all without McQueary. Don't you realize that?

No, he didn't do what he morally should have done, but he did do something. That doesn't get him off the hook at all, but it should be noted.

Would you rather he be indicted and have his attorney tell him to clam up? There goes his testimony.

Well, the, uh, question is based on a false premis and I have asked you to show a basis for that premis or STFU with your posts using that false premis.

That's funny, you tried to answer the question previously, without the histrionics of "false premis (sic)!"

Why is that?

Nevermind, I'll rephrase the question yet again.

Why didn't McQueary just ignore the whole incident and walk away. Why didn't he just "not do anything about it"?

I don't see a single weasel-word in my post. Either state the basis for your attack on me or STFU.

Either answer the question or STFU!

Why can't you answer a simple question?

If McQueary is as bad/cowardly/deceitful as you imply, why didn't he just ignore the whole incident and walk away. Why didn't he just "not do anything about it"?

Not playing games. You made a personal attack on me and I ask you to back it up. Your response was to make another accusation. First, you shouldn't make personal attacks and second, if you make one you should at least have a basis for the attack. Now go back and show your basis or STFU.

I take it from your weasel-words here you're not going to answer my question.

If you don't have an answer, just admit it. Squealing like a stuck pig about a "personal attack" (where?) and trying to change the subject is pretty pathetic.

I never said McQueary was evil. Please stop making accusations that are not true. Thank you.

Oh, for crying out loud. Why are you playing games?

OK, if McQueary is as bad/cowardly/deceitful as you imply, why didn't he just ignore the whole incident and walk away. Why didn't he just "not do anything about it"?

Uh dude. He was shaken up. Sometimes you just gotta talk to someone. Especially after looking into the eyes of a ten year old being raped and not doing anything about it...

Quit avioding the question. If McQueary is as evil as you say, why didn't he just ignore the whole incident and walk away. Why didn't he just "not do anything about it"?

Because his father told him to.

I asked why he told ANYONE, including his father, when it obviously would have been easier to just walk away and ignore the whole incident.