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> “What does that have to do with the truth or falsity of the proposition that one method of reaching voters is better than another? They’re just different avenues that are either more or less effective.”

Do you even realize your second sentence quoted above defeats your attempt at posturing with the first sentence? Of course there’s no truth or falsity in any such propositions.

A given method in a given campaign may be found to be better in reaching voters, that does not mean it will necessarily be true for other campaigns at other times. That’s why elections are always unpredictable and there is no surefire winning strategy to follow.

Again, since you obviously miss the point the first time: For this election, people who truly support the President know exactly why he wins, regardless of what methods the campaign used to reach voters.

.. who shares such a view.

You are the one who told us since crowd events cost a lot of money, so Biden is choosing to bet it all on ads. It follows their ad buys must have cost them a lot of money, at least comparable to crowd events, even to the point of precluding them from organizing such events.

Now you are trying to tell us they really didn’t spend much on ads. Even assuming your numbers are accurate, how much they spent on one low cost outlet is meaningless if you ignore all their spending on local TV in many states as reported by Freepers.

> “Funny thing is Trump could win and we still won’t know for sure which of the ingredients that went into the sausage machine produced the victory. Ditto for Biden.”

I doubt you can find anyone who truly supports the President to share such a view.

> “Trump has bet it all on ground game ... Biden’s bet is that ad barrages will sway viewers to vote Democrat. We’ll see which strategy pans out. If Trump wins, look for Dems to expand GOTV and rallies in the next election cycle.”

Your theory is seriously flawed.

How can crowd events cost more money than all the ads you saw as you yourself attest? I could even argue crowd events cost much less depending on the venue and the ease of providing security, etc. Not to mention such events do not have to happen everyday.

Your assumption Democrats had to choose between ads or ground games out of money concerns is absurd. They can always do both especially seeing the huge crowds at the President’s rallies.

The problem for them is they cannot even hope to imitate what the President is doing when neither of their nominees is capable of drawing any attendees at all. If you had looked closer, you would have discerned campaign staffers wearing suits doubling as attendees in many cases. The event yesterday where Obama was present counted only about a dozen people at the scene, truly pathetic. Are you going to tell us it was because the public was not invited?!

This is purely to clear up some simple logic, not to make any point about Christian theology.

Where in the thread did anyone say give Jesus to God?

Isn’t ‘rendering faith and obedience unto God by believing in the one he sent’ a manifestation of what you are arguing, i.e., giving oneself to God?

And yes, it is obvious to the hearers that the ancient covenant was with the house of Israel and therefore with Jews only.

Given your strong support of Dr. Yan, I think I should tie up a few loose ends in my previous posts to set the record straight, and maybe you would start to see why people like me who had been reading about the virus long before she came on the scene are not impressed.

1. I only know her initial version of the events since I did not follow her after that. According to her, she was asked to work on the virus in December 2019, but at some point her superior told her not to pursue it any further while alluding to some red line, and she somehow felt threatened. That was about all she told us at the time about why she had to flee immediately.

2. Her boss actually has the authority to tell her what to work on; even if she questioned the motive, I don’t see how it became a threat to her life especially since she never tried to defy his order. What she said just didn’t make sense, though it appears she had straightened and embellished her story since. (Incidentally, I read an unrelated and unconfirmed report about some questionable characters in the top management of the lab at HKU, but that is another story).

3. That she hardly knew much about the covid19 virus both before and after Dec 2019 really shows. Everything she had told us about the outbreak are secondhand info and she admits those were from her contacts, like the virus was transmissible, etc. Whether she really had contacts feeding her information or she just rehashed what was already public knowledge, we don’t need to sort out when the bottom line is, she has not told us anything new. She seems to think people knew nothing about the virus and she was the first person to tell us anything about it.

4. Multiple sources had already reported extensively on the unusual structure of the virus, that’s why I’m not interested in another such report from a Johnny-come-lately. What we all want to see is evidence of a smoking gun and likely only an insider who defects could provide. But as I said, it’s okay because spreading an epidemic is a serious crime while engineering a lethal virus is not.

5. The CCP Military was the first to test a vaccine very early on (March 2020?) and there was a propaganda video of a female General getting inoculated with the vaccine. It is logical to think the military lab had created the virus, but there is no proof and I doubt she has the connections to be privy to what’s going on in that lab. Even if she is one of the first or even the very first person in all of China to study coronaviruses, it is still a far cry from studying the specific Covid19 virus.

6. When I said exposing the truth anonymously, I was not talking about going to sites like Reddit or some such, but rather, writing confidential letters to, say, the US government (and start with the US Consulate in HK, for example) telling them what she has got and promising to reveal her identity when the time is right. Her situation is no different from what a whistleblower in any other field would have to face.

7. What does she gain? She will gain legal status to stay in the US, a chance to get far away from her old life in China (again, not saying it is true, just a possibility), and her 15 minutes of fame in the media. She obviously decided it was worth it and wasted no time putting it into action - any waiting or delay could undermine her claim of being in danger. Her mother, who could be a CCP member for all we know, is ironically not in real danger given a high profile case like this; and I wouldn’t worry too much about the condition she now finds herself in when it is not permanent.

> “Do you really think that all the MSM personalities who constantly lie through their teeth in order to carry water for Biden are all bribed?! Certainly not! They do not have to be bribed.”

Because they are just doing the job they’re hired to do.

> “There are plenty of evil people in the world that will engage in this sort of travesty for free.”

It all depends on how much effort is required to commit the travesty.

In this case, it took unusual and elaborate judicial maneuvers, time consuming courtroom proceedings extended indefinitely into the future, even inviting criticism of bias affecting his own reputation and career. The amount of commitment required is against anyone doing it all for free, especially for evil people.

Left out a small point:

Hong Kong was never closed to the mainlanders and quarantine measures were lax even during the height of the epidemic. If her family didn’t want to leave China even knowing the risk of staying, then they had made their decision and shouldn’t complain too much when the peril of staying materialized.

- I have read a lot of material from various sources before I was convinced it was an engineered virus, long before I or anyone in the US even heard of her. That she also thinks it is an engineered virus has no bearing on what I think of anything else she has espoused.

- Ideally you do need to be physically in Wuhan to collect samples and do any serious investigation of the various sites, that’s why researchers want to go there. When that is not possible, they settle for studying the outbreak and the virus from a distance.

- The evidence required is not to satisfy me or any individual, it has to meet a certain level of confidence in the accepted scientific research practices. No reputable source has ever asserted the virus came from a lab because the bar is indeed very high; the most they would say is it is highly likely. That is proper because one cannot jump to conclusions and make sensational claims when the evidence is lacking or inadequate.

- If we never get the definitive evidence required, so be it. What we already know so far is enough to hold the CCP accountable for spreading the pandemic, if not for creating the virus.

- I have no plan to read her paper, just not interested. If she had evidence linking the virus to a specific lab, it is safe to say the information must have already been covered in the copious material already published on the subject, when all projects undertaken by all the labs under suspicion going back decades were carefully examined for clues, though it is possible she might have packaged things differently in her paper.

- To really know the truth of the genesis of this virus, one has to go way back beyond the outbreak in December 2019. The virus had to be created and ready to deploy well before then, which explains how the CCP already had a vaccine ready for testing I believe back in March 2020 (need to confirm). If she only got involved since last December, she was already very late to the party and definitely not in the loop.

- “she was told to “maintain silence or else she would be made to disappear””. Sorry I don’t believe it for a nanosecond, not to mention it was not in the initial version I read or heard from her (can’t remember). I doubt even Dr. Li WL was being treated to that kind of speech when he was reprimanded by the CCP goons. She was either lying outright or blatantly embellishing there, but it only serves to reinforce my impression of her of not being very honest, and makes everything else she says suspect.

- We will never know the true motivation why people do what they do, so all the talk about moral choices are of little use. And she could always have exposed the truth anonymously and safely if she wanted to, especially since she was in HK, with easy access to many information channels. So let me now present a totally different picture here largely based on my observations, though not saying any of it is true:

Obtaining legal status to live in the US is still the aspiration of many from China, especially the highly educated and well-off. It appears to me she is very intelligent, quickly saw the opportunity and jumped - apply for asylum on the flimsy excuse of being fearful for her life. Besides, no one knows anything about her relationship with her husband, and boy, what a bonus if she had been thinking about going her own way; and her goal is so important she couldn’t let concerns for the old folks to delay it or get in the way.

You are welcomed to disagree with any of the above, which is all I have to say about the Doctor.

> “whenever I see her I imagine a giant flashing sign screaming, “Crazy lady.””

That could be great insight.

As far back as months ago, I had already seen detailed investigative reports from more than one source showing the molecular structure of the virus being too convenient for infecting humans, making the virus unlikely to emerge spontaneously in nature.

But none of those reports could ever assert the virus came from a lab, let alone a particular lab, because to make such a claim, solid proof of a link between the virus and the alleged lab is needed. Despite her sensational claims, she has not produced any such proof that is critical to her claims (note that I personally believe it was an engineered virus by the CCP.)

Not only that, as far as I can tell, she brought no new information about the virus that we don’t already know.

Another thing is, she had been in Hong Kong the whole time (which makes one wonder how much she really knows about the Wuhan lab and the virus) and had never said or done anything damaging to the CCP up to that point, there shouldn’t be any urgent need for her to flee. Being from China, she should know what would likely happen to her mother. If she didn’t care enough about her mother to make arrangement for her (to go to HK, for example) before she hastily fled to the US for asylum, why should we have more sympathy for her mother than for other Chinese dissidents arrested by the CCP almost everyday?

Sorry to hear what you had to go through. If you truly don’t know what to do, it means you still love her and no doubt she had been counting on that when she tried to convince you to go along with her plan.

Now you must decide whether to face the harsh reality head-on that you had been used and take decisive action to end the deception once and for all, or allow her to continue to manipulate your emotions so you end up rewarding her behavior while she continues to take advantage of you. The choice cannot be clearer to an impartial observer.

I suggest you contact the office where you petitioned for her to come to the country, tell them what had happened, and ask that her green card be cancelled. They have the power to review any case and take away someone’s green card if they determine it was obtained through fraud or abuse of the system, which it clearly is in her case. And they will give you some idea of what you should do next.

Also see #46 from another poster in case you missed it.

God is just a title, not a name; whereas Yahweh and Jehovah are names.

Being able to keep his promise means no one can divide the land or keep it divided for long, making all the threats and curses superfluous. Feel free to disagree.

> “Stopping annexation keeps the Land of Israel divided contest to the command of God that not be.”

Can’t help wondering if people truly believe the God of Israel is able to make good on his promise, no matter what; or he has to rely on human beings respecting such promise and heeding the related threats in order to deliver on the promise - given the abundance of threats on so many things.

Thanks.

147,601 expelled FY20 TD, but 197,666 apprehended get to stay?

Thanks for your reply.

Hope I didn’t inadvertently reinforce the mainstream notion that God is obsessed with our sins and is upset with us and always ready to punish us for any number of things by saying He gave us Clinton and Obama. These traitorous characters were put in place to effect God’s plan for the world and were not meant as punishments.

> “One thing I can believe is He is deeply saddened by abortion, euthanasia, crime, robbery, murder and lies.”

It may seem counterintuitive, but God cannot be saddened by anything we do, especially when He is the one who put us in flesh knowing all its inherent weaknesses.

It does seem the left have a perfect plan to steal the coming election, but whether it will succeed depends on whether it is actually in God’s plan – a divine plan for the world set in stone since the beginning of time marking periods of war, of upheavals, and of peace; and we are witnessing its unfolding everyday. In other words, nothing happens unless it is allowed to happen, so there’s no need to depress ourselves with imaginings.

For better or worse, the ultimate winner in this election has to be part of that plan, even if cheating was involved. It is inconceivable for us to think why the left should even be given any power, let alone when it is achieved through dishonest means, but there is no arguing with God’s wisdom. Consider that people like to thank God for giving us President Trump, but seldom do they want to acknowledge that God also gave us the likes of Clinton and Obama, the latter didn’t even appear to be eligible to be president.

So, this November 3, just like in 2016, I will be following the results as they come in with lots of anticipation but without any anxiety. Either President Trump is reelected or, the unthinkable happens but we recognize and accept God’s will always prevails and will thus find peace. This year it could be a while before we see the final tallies since a lot of chaos and mayhem and legal challenges will likely ensue, but these will all be part of the plan.

15 Chinese government-sponsored visiting scholars have just been expelled from the University of North Texas with their visas revoked.