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  • Should Catholics take a chill pill about Pope Francis?

    07/19/2014 7:30:37 PM PDT · 32 of 40
    sitetest to Legatus
    Dear Legatus,

    I'm not sure in what ways you differ from the bishops. Thus, it's difficult for me to answer your post intelligently.


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  • Muslims Enter Catholic Church, See A Statue Of The Virgin Mary, Call It An Idol And Destroy It

    07/19/2014 7:21:00 PM PDT · 30 of 127
    sitetest to Lurker
    Dear Lurker,

    In the Koran, Jesus is described as the Word of God, born of the Virgin Mary by the power of the holy spirit of God (Allah), and is the Messiah.

    But the Koran plainly repudiates that Jesus is God, is divine, that He is the Son of God or God the Son. It plainly repudiates the doctrine of the Trinity.

    But Islam does hold both Jesus and Mary in high regard. The difference is that they believe that our regard for Jesus and Mary is blasphemous, as, an essential doctrine of Islam is that “God has no sons.”


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  • Ukrainian millitary escorted B777 until 3 minutes before disappearing

    07/19/2014 7:07:12 AM PDT · 16 of 86
    sitetest to rdcbn
    Dear rdcbn,

    So... you're suggesting that the Russian excuse here is, “Those mean, bad, super-powerful Ukrainians FORCED us to murder 300 people!”

    Okay. Putin can try that on for size, if he wants.


    sitetest

  • Should Catholics take a chill pill about Pope Francis?

    07/19/2014 6:59:24 AM PDT · 18 of 40
    sitetest to jjotto
    Dear jjotto,

    “Problem is, almost every religion can make the same claim.”

    Without inviting a big debate (still taking my first sips of coffee this morning), I disagree.


    sitetest

  • Should Catholics take a chill pill about Pope Francis?

    07/19/2014 6:53:16 AM PDT · 16 of 40
    sitetest to jjotto
    Dear jjotto,

    “... indicates there is indeed a problem with hierarchy.”

    For faithful Catholics who have been paying attention, there has ALWAYS been a problem with the hierarchy.

    Jesus chose twelve. One apostasized altogether. Ten were abject cowards who abandoned Jesus at his greatest need. Only one remained faithful through the worst ordeal, the Crucifixion.

    I don't think the percentages have improved markedly since Jesus stopped picking them in person.

    The consistent, continuous, scandalous failure of the hierarchy for two thousand years should be a sign to faithful Catholics that the Church is of Divine Institution and under Divine Care and Providence. Else it would have gone out business shortly on Good Friday.

    Rejoice, o Catholics! If we are incompetent, stupid, and venial, it means that to God alone is the boast!


    sitetest

  • Ukrainian millitary escorted B777 until 3 minutes before disappearing

    07/19/2014 6:46:02 AM PDT · 12 of 86
    sitetest to Renfield

    Although the overall assertion of this article is likely false, it lays out the pieces of the puzzle in a way that shows us the true perpetrators.

    Ukrainian military flying side-by-side with the Malaysian airliner. Why offer the protection of an escort just to shoot it down?

    Ukrainian separatists say at first they’ve shot down the jet, claiming it was a military aircraft.

    Of course they thought it was a military aircraft. Just moments before, it was in formation with other military aircraft. Clearly, they were prepping the missile attack while the airliner was part of a formation of three jets, at least two of which were Ukrainian military.

    Then, upon realizing that they’d murdered 300 innocent folks, they deny having anything to do with it.

    This article actually confirms it was the Ukrainian rebels that committed this heinous act of mass murder. I have read that they couldn’t have done it without Russian technical support. This means that the creature Putin committed this act of mass murder.

    Justice for Putin would come at the end of a rope.

  • Should Catholics take a chill pill about Pope Francis?

    07/19/2014 6:35:50 AM PDT · 13 of 40
    sitetest to Legatus
    Dear Legatus,

    The best defense is a strong offense. If you have taught your children to be, and they are becoming, warriors for Christ, if you have transmitted the faith, if they pray, “O my Jesus...” with their true hearts, things will be okay.

    Not necessarily easy, but okay.


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  • Are Black Voters Turning Against Obama?

    07/17/2014 10:53:45 AM PDT · 62 of 72
    sitetest to Kaslin

    Orcs hate each other, but hate hobbits more.

    Thus it is with the various constituencies of the Democrat Party.

  • Man charged for shooting when cops went to wrong house (Jury finds him innocent)

    07/16/2014 6:19:13 AM PDT · 20 of 70
    sitetest to csvset

    Sounds like felony assault, at a minimum, by the police on an innocent civilian. Should be prosecuted and sent to prison.

  • Incest Next ‘Civil Right’? Judge Reprimanded for Suggesting Incest is Legal

    07/15/2014 4:12:54 PM PDT · 11 of 14
    sitetest to Faith Presses On
    “A judge in southeastern Australia has been partially suspended after he declared that the culture’s acceptance of homosexuality will lead to a normalization of incest.”

    The ultimate gaffe: he told the truth.

  • Fr. Longenecker strikes again

    07/15/2014 6:48:58 AM PDT · 49 of 175
    sitetest to piusv
    Dear piusv,

    “Except there is no hermeneutic of continuity.”

    Which makes my point. You and the “spirit of VIIers” are basically in the same objective place regarding the council.

    And you both repudiate the teaching of Benedict XVI.


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  • Hamas Spokesman Rejects Ceasefire Proposal

    07/14/2014 9:25:29 PM PDT · 11 of 17
    sitetest to Olog-hai

    Good. Israel gets more time to clean up the trash.

    Islam delenda est.

  • Fr. Longenecker strikes again

    07/14/2014 8:20:04 PM PDT · 32 of 175
    sitetest to Mrs. Don-o
    Dear Mrs. Don-o,

    The interesting thing is that the two groups of folks, those who more or less reject the Second Vatican Ecumenical Council, and those who falsely embrace its “spirit,” both have essentially the same understanding of the council, that the proper hermeneutic by which to interpret the council is the hermeneutic of rupture, rather than Pope Benedict XVI’s hermeneutic of continuity.

    I'll stick with Pope Benedict XVI.


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  • Fr. Longenecker strikes again

    07/14/2014 8:12:58 PM PDT · 31 of 175
    sitetest to IrishBrigade

    Which says more about you and the author of this garbage than Fr. Longenecker.

  • Fr. Longenecker strikes again

    07/14/2014 2:09:39 PM PDT · 9 of 175
    sitetest to BlatherNaut

    “...Fr. Dwight Longenecker, posting on his“Standing on my Head” blog (appropriately named given the frequency with which pontifications seem to flow so freely from his other end)...”

    I lost interest in this garbage right about here.

  • Joel Brinkley: Why Is America Fighting and Dying for Proud Pedophiles?

    07/14/2014 6:26:08 AM PDT · 18 of 23
    sitetest to detective

    My own view immediately after September 11 was that we should turn Afghanistan into a parking lot. But Bush told us these were actually freedom-loving folks who yearned to be westerners.

    I return to my original view.

  • Lorin Maazel, 1930-2014

    07/13/2014 9:07:27 PM PDT · 12 of 15
    sitetest to EveningStar; .30Carbine; 1cewolf; 1rudeboy; 31R1O; ADemocratNoMore; afraidfortherepublic; ...

    Classical Music Ping List Ping.

  • 'Don't hate the men who killed my husband' Brave widow calls for forgiveness of two men (Barf)

    07/12/2014 7:40:04 PM PDT · 44 of 59
    sitetest to equalator

    It’s appropriate to forgive them, then execute them.

  • Vasectomy can increase risk of developing lethal prostate cancer

    07/11/2014 10:47:42 AM PDT · 12 of 12
    sitetest to KeyLargo

    The vindication of Doug Baldwin.

    Mr. Baldwin was my high school biology and chemistry teacher, back in the 1970s. He always said no good could come from letting folks take sharp objects to your... manly assets.

  • Lafayette police officer gets hit with federal lawsuit after wheelchair-pushing incident

    07/11/2014 6:35:50 AM PDT · 13 of 21
    sitetest to FunkyZero

    This should be a criminal matter, not just a civil matter.

  • ANALYSIS: Stunned by Israel's fierce response, Hamas sends distress signals

    07/11/2014 6:18:35 AM PDT · 83 of 84
    sitetest to 2ndDivisionVet

    Islam delenda est.

    Hamas is as good a group as any with which to start.

  • Teens Are Having a Hard Time Getting Summer Jobs

    07/10/2014 6:46:15 AM PDT · 23 of 34
    sitetest to george76

    At least near where we live, it isn’t easy for young folks to score summer jobs, but it’s far from impossible.

    My son got a late start, and only applied at about a dozen places. But he quickly got a job in the mall as a sales rep. However, the retailer started cutting back hours almost immediately, and then closed. Within a day, he got a job at a lower rate of pay, but with full-time hours for the rest of the summer.

    Of course, it’s easier to get a job if one shows up with a perfectly-prepared resume, dressed cleanly in a button-down shirt with khaki slacks, decent shoes, groomed hair, and overall clean look, and no piercings or tatoos. It also helps if one can go through an interview articulately, demonstrating a modicum of intelligence, and one doesn’t start the conversation by asking about pay, time off, and benefits.

    He wound up as a plumber’s helper for a local water company. At the end of his interview, when the owner asked him how much he’d like as an hourly wage, my son said, “I’m happy to take minimum wage.” The owner was a little taken aback, and gave him $8 per hour, instead, with guaranteed weekly overtime.

    I spoke to the office manager yesterday, and they are so delighted to have him. He works hard (and it is hard, physical labor, often performed out in the hot sun), is happy to do menial tasks others shirk, and complains about nothing. He’s grateful to have a decent job. And he’s having a great time, making friends, learning a lot about basic plumbing and water treatment systems, and earning a nice-sized chunk of his freshman year college tuition at the same time.

    There are jobs out there, but there are plenty of job seekers. Employers can afford to be picky. Young people who “get with the program” and show up fresh, presentable, enthusiastic, humble, and articulate will get jobs. Young people who show up looking like they just rolled out of bed, threw on the rattiest T-shirt they could find, and smell of cigarettes (or worse), complaining about the job before it’s offered will not find jobs.

  • My daughter became a pro-life activist, but I couldn’t tell her I aborted her brother

    07/08/2014 1:22:38 PM PDT · 34 of 41
    sitetest to wagglebee

    What a horribly, devastatingly awful thing to have to tell one’s children.

  • [MD] Prince George’s schools offer breakfast and lunch to students during summer

    07/08/2014 10:40:06 AM PDT · 10 of 38
    sitetest to markomalley

    When I was a priso - er,... ah,... - a “student” in these hellholes a few decades back, I used to daydream about nuclear terrorism.

  • [MD] Prince George’s schools offer breakfast and lunch to students during summer

    07/08/2014 10:36:49 AM PDT · 7 of 38
    sitetest to markomalley

    “With students running a higher risk of obesity and hunger during their summer break,...”

    Please reconcile this statement to itself.

  • Pope meets sex abuse victims, says clergy actions cloaked in complicity

    07/07/2014 7:37:53 PM PDT · 36 of 75
    sitetest to Mrs. Don-o
    Dear Mrs. Don-o,

    It would be unsurprising if a majority were being blackmailed or were actual perpetrators of the overall conspiracy.

    Jesus picked 12 of which one was a complete traitor, 10 more were abject cowards, and only one who stayed by Him to the end.

    I doubt the ratio has improved markedly since then.


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  • Pope meets sex abuse victims, says clergy actions cloaked in complicity

    07/07/2014 12:40:19 PM PDT · 13 of 75
    sitetest to Mrs. Don-o
    Dear Mrs. Don-o,

    Your analysis only goes so far. The unknown part, the hidden part, the part that hasn't been fully revealed, is how many bishops engaged in cover-ups because they, themselves, were complicit in the crimes against young victims, or they were compromised as active homosexuals, even if not victimizers of minors, but subject to blackmail.

    How many bishops RIGHT NOW are actually homosexuals where someone's "got the goods," and thus, these bishops don't act all that bishoply? One wonders when one sees a good and decent priest publicly punished for denying Holy Communion to self-professed Buddhist lesbians whether the punishing bishop has something to hide.


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  • Take This Chalice—Please

    07/03/2014 11:11:01 AM PDT · 27 of 33
    sitetest to right-wing agnostic

    I much prefer the new translation (which, as others point out, is remarkably similar to the pre-1970 vernacular translation).

  • Cancer Patient Dies From Brain Tumor After Obamacare Fails to Cover Her Treatment

    07/03/2014 6:39:26 AM PDT · 20 of 29
    sitetest to wagglebee

    I don’t know. Looks like DeathCare is working just as planned.

    Don’t folks know that treating brain tumors is very, very expensive, and if the tumor is malignant, treatment usually merely postpones death, not really curing the cancer?

    The five-year survival rate for many malignant primary brain tumors isn’t so hot.

    Here, we have an example of DeathCare culling out someone who would have merely cost the system more and more money down the road, while providing a minimum of benefit - perhaps a few additional years of life.

    Besides, the woman was already 64 years old! She was more than 90% through the promised three-score-and-ten.

    In the long run this sort of treatment program for serious illness has the opportunity to dramatically alter the cost curve for medical care here in the United States.

  • 23 Years For Nurse Who Raped Young Child, Conspired To Rape 18-Month-Old

    07/01/2014 3:51:53 PM PDT · 126 of 131
    sitetest to Mrs. Don-o
    Dear Mrs. Don-o,

    I think we have ranged far afield of my initial objection.

    I don't think anyone on this thread will actually go out and throw any miscreants into a wood chipper.

    I don't think the use of hyperbole in this thread is demonic or bestial. Jesus, Himself, could use imagery that could be rather gruesome, as well. He tells us that if our right eye offends, to pluck it out, if our hand offends, to cut it off. He suggests throwing folks into the sea with millstones around their necks. I don't know whether you've experienced drowning. I have. It isn't very fun. If it were intentionally inflicted on me, I might regard that as “torture.”

    Clearly, He is engaging in hyperbole, and it isn't demonic or bestial, even though it isn't much of a stretch, by your standards, to judge that He is suggesting torture.

    You may wish to consider resetting your rhetorical rheostat to be a little less sensitive to the things folks say when they're hot under the collar, especially when justly so.


    sitetest

  • It’s Not the "Occupation" - It’s Islam

    07/01/2014 2:46:04 PM PDT · 24 of 37
    sitetest to Biggirl

    Islam delenda est.

  • Christianity and Islam: A Common Heritage?

    07/01/2014 11:34:54 AM PDT · 65 of 137
    sitetest to Biggirl
    Dear Biggirl,

    The religion of Islam, as opposed to Arab culture, generally, traces back to the camel trader Mohammed and his supposed revelation in the latter part of the 6th century AD and the first part of the 7th century AD.

    An analysis of Islamic doctrine shows itself to be an offshoot of the Arian heresy.

    Muslims believe that Jesus was the son of the Virgin Mary, that He was the Word of God, that He was Incarnate of the Holy Spirit of God, that He was the Messiah, and that He will come again to judge the living and the dead.

    But like the Arians, Muslims don't believe that Jesus is God the Son, Second Person of the Trinity, or that Jesus is co-eternal with the Father.

    A subtle difference between Islam and Arianism is that the Arian heresy does accord Jesus status as the created Son of God, the Lord, but not of the same substance as God the Father, and not co-eternal with Him. The Muslims reject that God has any sons, created or not. They believe that God is totally other from man, that man is not made in God's image, and therefore, God is entirely transcendent in relationship with man, and no man may be called God, God's Son, or Lord.

    However, Islamic belief, at least from a Catholic perspective, is a little confused, in that Muslims do believe that Jesus was born of a virgin by the power of the Spirit of God, which seems to me to be crypto-Arian.

    Historically, the Arian heretics, after losing their battles for control of the Catholic Church, were exiled to the deserts of Arabia. Mohammed would have come across their communities as he traveled across these deserts. It isn't difficult to trace theologically their Arianism to the somewhat-modified Arianism of Mohammed.


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  • Supreme Court ruling on union dues could cost SEIU millions in payback

    07/01/2014 8:57:40 AM PDT · 13 of 40
    sitetest to jazusamo

    Bankrupt the union pigs.

  • Christianity and Islam: A Common Heritage?

    07/01/2014 7:01:12 AM PDT · 17 of 137
    sitetest to BlatherNaut

    In that Islam is a twisted form of the Catholic heresy we name Arianism, yes, they have a common heritage. Islam is a heretical religious system that derives from Catholic heretics.

    After the Arian heresy was mostly resolved, instead of executing the heretics, many of them were exiled to the deserts of Arabia, where, by and by, this stupid camel trader named Mo came across them and learned their demonic doctrines.

    If the Church had punished these heretics properly in the first place, Islam may have never happened.

  • 23 Years For Nurse Who Raped Young Child, Conspired To Rape 18-Month-Old

    06/30/2014 7:24:35 PM PDT · 122 of 131
    sitetest to Mrs. Don-o
    Dear Mrs. Don-o,

    “Feeding a guy through a wood-chipper is torture.”

    So say you. Because you assume certain things, you say that it is intrinsically torture.

    I disagree.

    In my own view, most of the circumstances in which one might find oneself with the opportunity to feed someone through a wood chipper probably do constitute torture. But I can (barely) imagine circumstances, far-fetched though they may be, at least in my own view, where this action might constitute something other than torture, such as self-defense.

    It strikes me that torture is more about intent than it is about action. A field doctor who amputates a limb without the benefit of any sort of anesthesia to save the soldier's life is hardly committing torture. But someone amputating another’s limb for funsies strikes me as someone engaging in torture.

    But the Islamics amputate limbs as punishment, and it hasn't been unheard of entirely in the history of western civilization, either.

    Where does punishment end and torture begin? Where does the desire to justly harm the miscreant, to mete out what is due him, transmute to the illegitimate practice of torture, where is the boundary for that?

    If I see a stranger on the street and walk over and take out a club and, without provocation, start to beat him bloody, and send him to the hospital, I've acted with malice and cruelty. If I've just seen him rape a little old lady and I act thusly, I think that at the very least, my cruelty is mitigated, possibly even justified.

    The fellow who pushes the old lady out of the way of the oncoming bus is different from the fellow who pushed her into the path of the bus, even though both fellows are pushing around little old ladies.

    I'm very serious in that from my perspective, “torture” is more about intent than action. At the heart of the concept of “torture” is the failure to act justly. The doctor who severs the badly-damaged limb acts justly, even though he inflicts an atrocity of pain on his patient. The fellow who gets his jollies butchering folks doesn't. One is performing medicine. The other, it might be said, is performing torture.

    And that goes to the heart of this thread. A heinous crime seems to scream out for a heinous punishment. The person who takes satisfaction, even a certain grim delight, in seeing the moral monstrosity receive his due in this life is different from the person who enjoys unprovoked cruelty.

    There is a moral difference between wishing the wood chipper on the likes of Stalin, or Mao, or Pol Pot, and wishing it on a stranger just to see what it's like to kill someone in a most cruel way.

    I would say that the intentional infliction of suffering is part and parcel of torture - but it is also part and parcel of just punishment and due discipline.

    In picking that particular example, you try to sway the argument with a cheap parlor trick - oh! look at the blood and gore! surely that is torture!

    Maybe.

    But you ignored my question regarding imprisonment. Do you discount the opportunity to act wantonly cruelly, to perform torture, through psychological means?

    In a supermax prison, many prisoners will spend as much as 23.5 hours each day confined in isolation to a windowless cell, without human contact, without books, or TV or music, or exercise equipment, or any distraction whatsoever. For folks who start out with reasonable mental health, long-term incarceration of this sort can badly damage the psyche. For the sort who generally wind up in maximum security confinement, psychosis is a real risk.

    Would you prefer a brutal, but relatively-short death, or life-long psychosis?

    Which is torture?

    Why isn't the infliction of psychosis not torture?

    Frankly, if torture is sort of an introduction to the vestibule of what Hell is about, then being driven mad is more torture than is being killed brutally, but quickly.

    I discard the concept of “torture” in favor of distinguishing between right and wrong.

    The impulse to punish the aggressor is right. The impulse to severely punish the most heinous aggressor is right.

    But ultimately, we mediate our impulses. One hopes that we don't usually act on them without thought and consideration.

    Upon reflection, we come to understand that the nearly infinite harm caused by some aggressors cannot be recompensed in this life, no matter how much we punish the aggressor. Thus, we accept the truncated justice available to us.

    But that initial impulse to repay the harm in like amount is not unjust, and thus, is not demonic or bestial. In the worst cases, it is brutal and savage. But it is a place to start to work these things out. Without the admonishment of those who seem to get the vapors at the mere mention of rough talk as it might relate to the perpetrators of heinous acts.


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  • 23 Years For Nurse Who Raped Young Child, Conspired To Rape 18-Month-Old

    06/30/2014 4:39:01 PM PDT · 120 of 131
    sitetest to Mrs. Don-o
    Dear Mrs. Don-o,

    Being of Italian extraction, I've heard some interesting ideas on what should be done with miscreants of various sorts. I could tell you of punishments meted out by my great grandmother to various members of her community back in Brooklyn. Not talked about. Actually committed. Maybe it's a cultural thing.

    In that we have a greater bandwidth when speaking face to face with people, descriptions of these sorts, in my own family, required fewer words, but more gestures. Also, there are things, when said, that serve as a shorthand. Less was spoken, but more was said.

    But this sort of hyperbole (and sometime, real deeds and actions) is not limited to us more expressive southern Europeans. I remember reading an interview with Mrs. Billy Graham about the difficulties of being Mr. Billy Graham's wife. The interviewer asked, “Did you ever think about divorcing him?”

    She answered waving her hand, “Divorce? No. Murder? Well...”

    I used to bowl with the Knights of Columbus. Get a group of beer-drinking guys together doing some beer-drinking-guy-like activity, and you'll get this sort of talk. But remember, the artifice of the “Internet thread” that focuses on a single subject at a time, where there may be tens, or scores, for even a hundred or more posters has a tendency to accentuate the phenomenon.

    I also take a bit of issue with the use of the word “torture.” It's a slippery word, and I don't usually use it because its current use has often emptied it of meaning. Singapore canes people. Is that torture? The US military waterboarded folks. Torture? I know what being imprisoned in a maximum security prison does to previously not-insane people. It usually causes psychosis. Thus, is life in prison in a supermax prison, without the possibility of parole, torture?

    Where does earned punishment end and torture begin?

    I never hit or spanked either of my two sons. Never felt it was necessary. But they will tell you that they'd have preferred to be spanked rather than listen to my lectures and having to write the essays assigned to them as punishment. They have even asserted that my lectures and essays were a form of torture.

    I don't see the answers as being so clear cut, and I'm afraid that in this thread, folks have permitted you to steal this premise.

    Torture is easier to grasp when we're talking about trying to coerce specific behaviors: “Give me the code word to stop the bomb from going off, or I'll gouge out your other eye.” But what if the loss of the eye is the mandated punishment for having caused another the loss of his eye?

    I'll give you that sometimes, Internet fora act like echo chambers, and encourage and magnify behaviors that are best left unencouraged. But that doesn't make the thirst for justice represented by these exaggerated punishments either demonic or bestial.


    sitetest

  • 23 Years For Nurse Who Raped Young Child, Conspired To Rape 18-Month-Old

    06/30/2014 12:20:13 PM PDT · 118 of 131
    sitetest to Mrs. Don-o
    Dear Mrs. Don-o,

    I guess from my perspective, the “abominable tortures shared around by FReepers for mutual enjoyment” is a reasonable attempt to make the punishment fit the crime, to devise harms that seem to satisfy the apparent demands on justice. I don't know why one would expect that the initial reaction to crimes such as these would be much other than a desire for savage justice, an attempt to match cruelty for cruelty, pain for pain, horror for horror, abomination for abomination.

    But as I pointed out, it's a starting place, not an appropriate ending place.

    And the journey from one place to another, for us humans, takes place in time. We're not like angels, with infused knowledge, with instantaneous working out in our minds and souls of all the implications of life. We go through process.

    This is ultimately about forgiveness. To truly forgive, one must, MUST start where he is, which is usually not-forgiveness. The forgiveness easily given, readily thrown to the other, like a life preserver off an ocean liner to the one drowning at sea, is a sign either of no real great offense in the first place, or of insincerity. Or perhaps of an unwillingness to get down to the messy business of it all, unwilling to grapple directly with the offense and the offender. Just throw out the life preserver and get back to the party.

    Where the offense is great and keenly felt, the journey to real forgiveness is arduous, and can be quite long. It usually starts in the quest for perfect justice, no matter how horrible that might be, in the desire to match pain for pain. Think about the law of “an eye for an eye.” What is described therein would be by most definitions today, torture. You blind me, I get to gouge out one of your eyes. You knock out my teeth, I get to yank teeth our of your head. I don't know - sounds sorta like torture to me.

    Is this initial response saintly and pure? Of course not. Can we say that it is rooted in Original Sin? Certainly, why not? Thus, is it imperfect, yes, even “corrupt”? In so far as it goes.

    But it is, nonetheless, where normal, not demonic, ordinary, not bestial, folks usually begin. And it can be a long journey out.

    It's right to encourage folks along the way. It's the right thing to do to try to turn folks away from their savage fury to a more considered approach, and to help folks step toward forgiveness.

    But not to lecture folks that they're bestial and demonic because they have a just reaction to a hateful crime.

    I think that you engage in the very same hyperbole that you're implicitly criticizing herein (and, yes, the punishments described herein are just that - hyperbole), and you indulge your own inflamed anger that people write thusly! "They're not behaving like saints! Or at least, not the way I think saints should behave! Shocking! Shocking!"

    Cut me a break.

    I hope we all go to Heaven, and in that hope, I must by necessity intend that all will forgive all, and regret their (our) angry words (and, sometimes, acts) of vengeance, but I cannot offer such harsh words toward folks having a normal, if less than entirely-saintly, reaction to unspeakable horror.


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  • 23 Years For Nurse Who Raped Young Child, Conspired To Rape 18-Month-Old

    06/30/2014 9:49:39 AM PDT · 114 of 131
    sitetest to Mrs. Don-o
    Dear Mrs. Don-o,

    Hellish methods in response to hellish actions.

    “An eye for an eye...”

    What you are seeing is neither diabolical nor bestial, but proportionate. Posters are thinking of punishments that fit the crime. The problem is that the crimes are so beyond what ordinary people can conceive, that they grasp for punishments beyond what they conceive.

    But these are natural, normal responses to unimaginable evil. They aren't bestial or demonic.

    That being the case, Jesus abrogated the law of retaliation, and although the starting place for His disciple may be the imagining of cruel tortures, it isn't the proper ending place.

    After working through the anger and rage that are justly provoked by this cretin's actions, the proper conclusion is that a just punishment would be something like death by hanging - swift, a minimum of fuss and muss, and certain.

    But that's where folks, one hopes, get to after some reflection. It is not necessarily where folks will, with justice, begin.

    Imagining horrific tortures for baby rapists is merely an attempt by regular folks to balance the scales.

    My old Uncle Mike used to ask, if someone who commits the murder of an innocent can justly be executed, what should be the penalty for someone who commits two such murders? Or who commits mass murder? Do we execute the miscreant more than once? Is not justice lacking if the fellow who murders one receives the same sentence as the fellow who murders many? Old Uncle Mike was a wily fellow.

    But he had a point. I've often thought that there would be a certain justice in sentencing a mass murderer to multiple almost-executions - a partial hanging, or a partial electrocution, just to the point of death, for each victim. That would be a more mathematically-precise application of justice.

    Thus it is, with a child rapist, that if execution is just for less heinous actions, what should befall the one who commits acts so heinous as to beggar the imagination of the ordinary sinner?

    The difficulty with that approach is that if fails to observe the limitations of human existence, and it attempts a utopian resolution to the problem of criminal justice. It aims for perfect justice, which is not to be found in this life.

    But it is wrong to label as “demonic” or “bestial” the reaction to attempt to make the punishment fit the crime. Better to label these attempts as “ultimately futile,” and “in need of further reflection,” and “in the final analysis, unjust.”


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  • 23 Years For Nurse Who Raped Young Child, Conspired To Rape 18-Month-Old

    06/29/2014 5:35:51 PM PDT · 97 of 131
    sitetest to Mrs. Don-o

    Neither bestial nor demonic, but rather savage, from the basic need to protect the vulnerable avenge the innocent.

  • Could Elizabeth Warren become the go-to Democrat this election cycle?

    06/28/2014 6:01:02 PM PDT · 4 of 59
    sitetest to Second Amendment First

    This is my fear. Worse than Hitlary, as bad as the anti-Christ.

  • Tipsy Hillary dubs Obama ‘incompetent and feckless,’ a national ‘joke,’ book claims

    06/28/2014 6:55:45 AM PDT · 24 of 76
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    “And we’re angry.”

    Angry hornets whose nest has been disturbed.

    See: Lanny Davis calls for IRS special prosecutor.

  • Marriage, Divorce, and Communion - An Interview with Cardinal Thomas Collins

    06/27/2014 4:42:55 PM PDT · 35 of 35
    sitetest to redgolum
    Dear redgolum,

    Intellectually, I know you're right that there are many who marry without having ever talked together about the big stuff, but in my gut, it's hard for me to understand.

    It isn't how my wife and I went about things.


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  • Clinton Adviser Lanny Davis: Time for Independent Counsel to Investigate IRS Scandal

    06/27/2014 11:34:46 AM PDT · 46 of 55
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    Lanny Davis doesn't wipe his butt without permission from Billary.

    This is the opening salvo in the long-awaited civil war between House Clinton and House anti-Christ.

    Obviously, Hitlary has no fear of implication in the IRS felonies, and if the fading embers of this scandal can be fanned into a major conflagration that at least badly damages the anti-Christ, and possibly even destroys him, then the way will be a little clearer for her to ascend the throne and the Clintons to take back unchallenged control of the dammocrap organized crime syndicate.

    It has the further advantage of blotting out Benghazi. If the anti-Christ is consumed by an IRS scandal, no one is going to pay attention to what was done or not done thousands of miles away in the hellhole of Libys.

    With the economy potentially heading south for a while, with Afghanistan being retaken by the Taliban, with Iraq and Syria in flames, with Russia ascendent and the US on the run, all the tinder is prepared to light the fire that ruins what is left of the anti-Christ’s presidency. A special prosecutor for the IRS felonies could easily light that fire.

    Remember that what saved Clinton from the Monica scandal was that the economy seemed good at the time, very, very good. I remember the assholes in our country saying, we care about the DOW Jones, not PAULA Jones. A good economy covers a multitude of impeachable offenses.

    But a faltering economy, not so much.

    The irony is that every evidence suggests that the economic coup de grace that is pushing us from weak “growth” into formal recession is the implementation of DeathCare. LOL.

    If I believed in karma...

  • Supreme Court Rules Unanimously Against Obama for 12th and 13th time Since 2012

    06/26/2014 10:35:13 AM PDT · 18 of 75
    sitetest to rhema

    The Kenyan anti-Christ is a traitor. It should be tried by a duly-constituted federal court for treason, convicted, its appeal heard and denied, and then hanged by the neck until dead.

  • Marriage, Divorce, and Communion - An Interview with Cardinal Thomas Collins

    06/26/2014 8:21:00 AM PDT · 13 of 35
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    Dear defconw,

    “We all know the type of ‘Catholics’ that get themselves into these situations.”

    Ironically, many of these sorts of Catholics might have valid grounds for a declaration of nullity on the basis of lack of proper consent. Giggling post-teens in love with love and more concerned about the flowers in the church and the food at the reception may lack what is needed to form the consent required for the valid operation of the sacrament.

    The scandal is that the Church allows them to marry in the Church, anyway.


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  • Marriage, Divorce, and Communion - An Interview with Cardinal Thomas Collins

    06/26/2014 8:15:22 AM PDT · 12 of 35
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    Dear scouter,

    I only read it quickly. It seemed fine enough. A little too churchspeaky for me, thus, I found it difficult to read carefully while also reading carefully.

    But he gets across the point.


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  • Marriage, Divorce, and Communion - An Interview with Cardinal Thomas Collins

    06/26/2014 6:17:47 AM PDT · 3 of 35
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    Dear ReaganGeneration2,

    “Many sins are forgiven that can’t be rectified. Seems like some re-marriages should persist, at least out of love for the spouse, and that if remorse is evident, forgiveness should occur. Does it seem like the Church is being a bit Pharisee-like? Thoughts?”

    No, it does not.

    The sin here is the act of remarrying after a civil divorce in a valid marriage. The sin is because one who validly married may not marry another while his [first] spouse still lives. The second marriage is not marriage, but rather, adultery. This is what Jesus says.

    So, the man who is thusly “married” goes to Confession, tells the priest, “Father forgive me, for I have sinned. I am married civilly to someone but my first wife is still living.”

    And the priest endeavors to act precisely as Jesus acted, “Your sins are forgiven, go and sin no more.”

    And the man goes home to his second wife and they continue on in a married way, which is sin, which is continued adultery. With not even the slightest attempt to turn away from sin, ignoring entirely the command of Jesus to, “go and sin no more.”

    The man remains in an objective state of committing grave evil, the matter of mortal sin. Publicly.

    “The Church will offer absolution and Holy Communion if the remarried person divorces their current, innocent spouse.”

    The Church teaches that where separation in the second marriage would lead to other bad consequences - harm to children from the second marriage, or lack of support for the second wife - the couple, may in some circumstances, continue to live together, continue to form a household, but must live continently, that is, as brother and sister, not as husband and wife. Under these circumstances, the couple may then receive the Blessed Sacrament.

    This is a hardship for the couple, a burden. But it fulfills what Jesus says, “Go and sin no more.”

    If the couple are unwilling to try this, then at least objectively, it doesn't appear that they have repented of the sin of remarrying after divorce in a valid marriage.

    But let's get down to brass tacks. Most folks who are remarried when they still have a valid first marriage hanging out are not repentant of their sin. They don't view it as a sin. Many who are remarried will say that their second marriage is actually a good thing, not a sinful thing, that it is not a sin, that they have not entered into an adulterous relationship.

    If such a person goes to the priest to confess, what, then, does he confess? “Father forgive me, for I have sinned. I am remarried, but it's really a good thing, not a sin at all, so please give me absolution so I can go to Communion.”

    That's incoherent. These folks are not saying, “Please forgive me and look the other way at my continuing sin.”

    Their real view of things seems to be more on the order of: “Recite your mumbo-jumbo prayer of absolution over me so that I can go back to Communion. I'm not doing anything wrong in the first place.”

    What, then, is there to forgive? No sin is even acknowledged..


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  • The 10 World Cities With the Highest Murder Rates – in Pictures

    06/25/2014 11:06:48 AM PDT · 35 of 37
    sitetest to trisham

    I guess I’d have to buy a ticket, first. You gotta play to win.

  • The 10 World Cities With the Highest Murder Rates – in Pictures

    06/25/2014 10:53:20 AM PDT · 33 of 37
    sitetest to trisham
    Dear trisham,

    I hope not. ;-)

    Just trying to inject a little accuracy into the proceedings.

    I don't thank God that we don't have third world levels of murder in any US cities, because, well, we do.

    I didn't thank God for winning the PowerBall yesterday, either, since I didn't. Not that I'd object if I did.


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  • Catholic Word of the Day: FREEMASONRY, 06-25-14

    06/25/2014 10:48:12 AM PDT · 26 of 31
    sitetest to SpirituTuo
    Dear SpirituTuo,

    Actually, although many American Masons are nice enough, I can think of at least two times in US history that American Masons have acted with grave hostility toward Catholics and the Catholic Church.

    In the last part of the 19th century, in the upper northwest, Masons, along with other nefarious groups, tried to close down Catholic parochial schools by making all private schools illegal, and forcing all school-aged children to attend public schools.

    This was overthrown by the Supreme Court, but it survives in the Blaine Amendments of various states that forbid the expenditure of public funds to help provide for the educational needs of any child going to a Catholic school, named after James G. Blaine, Republican presidential candidate in 1884 (”Blaine, Blaine, James G. Blaine! The continental liar from the state of Maine!” - I still remember SOMETHING from high school US history).

    As well, Masons gave rise to the anti-Catholic government of Mexico in the early part of the 20th century that ultimately murdered many Catholic priests, many thousands of Catholic laity, and forbid the open practice of Catholicism in Mexico, outside of church buildings, including Catholic education and catechesis.


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