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I suppose when George Herbert Walker Bush lost by 20 points in 1988 to Bob Dole and also by 9 points to Pat Robertson in Iowa I guess he was supposed to just give up and go away, you people forget history, and I suppose if it turns out fraud was done in the counting or something else gets out about this then Iowa will become irrelevant then? So go ahead and have your cakes and eat them too hares but watch out cause the tortoise will continue on.

Maybe you can call him whatever you want, but it will not wash away the black hole of debt we face and it will not get rid of our problems, I can say all kinds of nasty things about anyone, but what does it matter? You accomplish nothing by insinuating and insulting his intelligence by associating him with those that choose to associate themselves with him, it really doesn’t matter and seems pretty irrelevant, when someone wins the lotto are there not a bunch of dirtbags that want to buddy up with them. He holds anti-big brother bug government views, some people that hold others views different from his also hold that principle in common, so ergo you imply guilt by association, as if the idea of liberty itself were a racist and militant socialist idea, can you see how much of a fallacy that portends for logical thinking?

Yeah we had less debt but we also spent less per year, but you know go ahead print up more money see how far that will get you and how much less a threat we will face as a result of it.

I’ve heard if you put on some special slippers and tap your feet three times and say “there’s no place like home” you will magically erase $17 trillion in debt, and or you can kill a few more terrorists and also like magic all your problems will go away. Bailing out banks, foreign banks, countries and policing foreign ones also, pretty much gets negated when you owe everybody a debt for having done those kinds of liberal programs. What good does economic collapse bring us? Where was the miltary when we were looted, standing in line for a piece of the action? What good to have a military if we can be looted so easily?? Can anyone answer this, people have had ten years to figure out what Paul learned 30 years ago, that you can’t print your way to freedom and prosperity and peace.

Who cares about Israel when we ARE $17 TRILLION AND COUNTING IN DEBT, if you can’t understand why that makes us a bad judge of foreign countries or conflicts then maybe you would like to give me your wallet and your life savings cause you clearly can be easily seperated from it and don’t mind bailing out foreign banks as well as running foreign country police programs and foreign war on poverty programs with other people’s money and you don’t mind unemployment, cause the further we go into debt the more likely all of us wil lbe doing more than looking for jobs but looking for exits, and killing more terrorists will not erase the climbing debt.

At this point the RINOS running the party look more like a foreign interventionist $15-17 trillion black hole bank bailout party than anything resembling conservatism, they have allowed themselves to become more liberal in fighting an international “war on poverty” for PR reasons referred to as the “War on Terror” which has the dubious distinction of having brought NO SECURITY FROM A MASSIVE SPENDING DEBT, which threatens to wreck any kind of economic security for anyone not already living through an Economic Collapse....thanks MF GLOBAL and Bain group and Corzine and Goldman and the rest of the golden parachute boys whom operate in the crony capitalism for me but not for thee world, what good maybe it to be pro America or whatever if America’s totally bankrupt and financially collapsed? Who cares about parties when people don’t have a job or can’t eat, it seems pretty obvious there are crooks to the left and the right and not much middle left to find, nobody wins when the rich and poor call themselves something other than neo-welfare queens, this seems like government extremism on steroids. What kind of security maybe living in close to $20 trillion in the hole, how exactly will that ever make us safe at all? It seems like these parties have forgot how to do simple arithmetic, how are they going to protect anyone from any terorist if they can’t add?

Are you sure you are a real conservative and a not a liberal pretending you understand why being $15-17 trillion in debt protects me and you from the “internationalist muslim threat”, if things are so groovy then why are we bailing out foreign banks with our tax dollars and defending repressive throwbacks in the middle east with our tax dollars, that “war on terror” program sounds like a foreign interventionist “war on poverty”, if it DOES NOT WORK HERE, why does anyone reasonably think it WILL WORK OVER THERE? I have asked this question for over a decade and have yet to be given a rational reasonable conservative answer that did not sound like a liberal talking point to me.

How come our foreign policy and military HAVE NOT PROTECTED US from throwing away $15-17 trillion and HOW COME THEY BAIL OUT FOREIGN BANKS? That’s some real good accounting on the DOD’s part. The way it appears to me and many others, we fight muslims so we can go broke as a society? What good would it be to have killed them all if we end up in poverty anyways? The War on Terror looks more like the War on Poverty to me, a liberal program bankrupting us while propping up the EU and crooked groups in the middle east. Exactly how does being impoverished protect us from anything? No ONE has explained this in any rational non insulting manner yet and I have asked this question for about a decade. So it seems to me the parties are prone to throw money into a black hole so long as it makes them feel good while their constituents live in economic collapse.

READERS FROM IOWA VOTED IN DRUDGE CAUCUS:

PAUL 33.52%
SANTORUM 21.08%
ROMNEY 20.48%
GINGRICH 10.2%
PERRY 7.28%

Looks like the beginning of the end of the liberal warfare welfare programs, maybe having “model cities” styled foreign Interventionism has seen it’s last days in the sun.

READERS FROM IOWA VOTED IN DRUDGE CAUCUS:

PAUL 33.52%
SANTORUM 21.08%
ROMNEY 20.48%
GINGRICH 10.2%
PERRY 7.28%

Looks like the beginning of the end of the liberal warfare welfare programs, maybe having “model cities” styled foreign Interventionism has seen it’s last days in the sun.

READERS FROM IOWA VOTED IN DRUDGE CAUCUS:

PAUL 33.52%
SANTORUM 21.08%
ROMNEY 20.48%
GINGRICH 10.2%
PERRY 7.28%

Uhhh, why would any religion like Islam take over America because Paul get’s elected? What you said makes no sense at all, if that were the case it already would be that under Obama.

By that statement you might as well say that Dwight Eisenhower was nuts and to the left of Obama, it would make as much sense, based from what you wrote about Ron Paul the only former service member amongst all these chicken hawk’s with their chest puffed out acting like they are the greatest generation!

Clear Channel Communications which is owned by Bain capitol(Romney's company) shared with Thomas H. Lee Partners. They have 100 Fox Station under Contract..Fox+Bain own 1/2 the Media. Both buyout leverage co.s(combined 100 bill assets) We remember Refco? How about MF Global?
Thomas H. Lee Partners owns MF global. Remember the hard drives removed from Romney's Gubernatorial computers?
People better come to understanding that the Dec 14th meeting in New York this year with the Primary dealers JPMorgan, Blackrock ect was when Romney got final approval from the Federal Reserve for the Presidency.

I'm not talking about what you think about banning things, I'm just stating the obvious and yes religions are liberal institutions, very much in common with communism, if all else fails in any presentation, appeal to a unquestionable authority that was most likely created by a people in their fear of being alone in the vastness of space. Rights don't exist, you can't show them to me under a microscope or anything in any scientific manner about them, they merely represent your preferences and those of groups and others.Nature does not care for your rights, and most humans seem to act as if they don't exist, they seem like fun, but also seem like children's fairy tales, and yes I still support Ron Paul because he tells the best fairy tales of all the candidates and at the least admits as much whereas the rest hide behind what they think they must in order to appear honest, big difference.

Nobody’s a hero, just an actor on a stage in the scheme of life, some people can be brought to the water to drink of the truth others simply will run away screaming like a crazy Muslim if given something they don't like to hear about. Your reluctance to understand why the data was released fuels your anger at him.

Getting back to banning things....if you think it's liberal to ban them then only the religions you prefer will get any traction and thus all others subject to your censorship, banning and eradicating, so either you drop all these band-aids or you pick one and ban the rest to promote your religion, otherwise they will compete against your religion, either you win and the rest lose, or we all win by not playing this game in the first place, people die everyday just to play this absurd game, it seems rather useless and pointless to me.
All that private information about me can be bought and sold very easily are you kidding? All I need would be your name and the rest can be found, we have no privacy, hence why I support someone such as Paul cause at the least bare minimum he seems pretty aware of this reality. Most people seem to have their heads in the clouds in terms of privacy. If you don't recall all the private names and details were redacted in the Wikileaks dumps.

Well, as public record shows no WMD’s were ever found in Iraq, they were either long disposed of or destroyed before we probably even invaded for our second tour of a DESERT surrounded by oilfields. I would like some answers wouldn't you?

We already did nation building, WW2 was fought(since you brought up japan and Germany) with the hopes to wipe out Europe and rebuild a more socialist utopia from scratch, wouldn't surprise me if that's in store for the USA as well.These wars and battles are very cynical moves and theater that seem more about stroking of egos than anything else, boomers were not the “greatest generation” so they have to invade every two-bit dictator they can find with resources they can find and basically run around with puffed out chest basically chanting “me too, me too, I can be like the great gen too!”. It looks rather weak to me, wars really happen between equals, we have just been in the business of overthrowing resource rich places to take their stuff while they take decades to recover from the events. While doing this overthrowing we have basically lost control of our financial system to such an extent that both parties are out of control looting the public at every chance they can get as if they know the trains gonna go off the tracks in the near future, maybe not but it sure seems to explain their behavior, with inner city collapse underway already, eventually that will spread along with the entitlement mentality as well, cause both sides go along with it for their preferred largess.
As for unemployment benefits I really have not been keeping track of this since I have not ever taken any of these despite not being a major part of the workforce for many years. None of these people plan and prepare so yes they fail and want all of us to bail them out, I really could care less, I don't want unemployment benefits I just prefer to be left alone thank you. You know prior to Hitler's takeover in Europe there were many private non-profit charities that basically closed up operation as a result of him promising to take care of everyone, he ruined what people already choose to do for themselves and took that dignity away from them, so much of what both parties have done over the past several years amounts to that, taking our dignity away from us and supplying their propaganda in replace of our self.

How do you know?? Were you there? How can he be guilty without a trial? If you were told by the media then how can you be sure of the veracity of the information? What of someone else were guilty of it and he has been presented to you, what if nobody leaked anything and all of it was hacked without his help, this story seems more about fear of information, fear of corruption and what happens when corruption gets brought to the light, someone has to pay, does not matter if he did or didn’t, people call for an Aztec like sacrifice to the gods, for the crime of information, this story serves more as a fear propaganda piece than anything real. Prometheus for the modern era.

If you know too much you could get burned too, that seems the moral lesson being preached. In other words we have to limit our minds else we will destroy ourselves. I can’t think of anything more liberal than limiting the minds of everyone to some generic baseline reality of Wizard of OZ like fairy tale absurdity.

We go around decieving the world and also decieving the people that fund these operations about the fact we are liying and tricking the world we live, yet the guy who exposed this should be put to death?? So in other words let them lie, let them fool you and me and squander out tax money for lies and foolish global grandstanding? Nothing limited and conservative about a foreign policy like that...let’s see what was the bill for this crap shoot casino intelligence game....huuh $17 trillion, surely that was a great deal then you must concur your $17 trillion in debt was worth being told lies to your face and getting you behind lies so we all could get poorer, this sounds like liberal Detroit Michigan style diplomacy, just throw money at the gerrymandered precinct in the middle east and the gravy train can go n forever like the housing bubble did? I’m clearly frustrated that people cannot be shown they are getting nothing for their money, the threats a $17 trillion black hole con job, get over it.

Mutually Assured Destruction prevents all these conspiracy theories from ever evolving from speculation to reality.

Oh you mean the Liberal Socialist FDR did that?

Well if that's how you feel about Islam then you might as well ban all faiths, you can't be halfway pregnant, if you tolerate one faith you basically end up tolerating them all. Sam Harris wrote an ingenious book about this liberal tolerance of Islam, and yes he goes after all faiths including Christianity. Now I'm not in doubt of a god, I just doubt every explanation offered up in history thus far, they have something to offer but if they compel nations to commit suicide then we might as well nuke them and ask questions about their faith later, in some sense it makes no sense to occupy them, either tolerate them or obliterate them, everything else would be half measures. I have no love for Islam and it's spread throughout Europe and the States, but there seems no way to stop that unless all faiths are banned or their homelands are destroyed, which would amount to genocide of a religion. Their seems to me no easy answers to this that don't amount to war.

Bases in other countries seems like nation building liberalism to me.Yeah great it gives jobs to people in other countries, I'm sure the unemployed love hearing that one.

If a state official or diplomat lies and causes forces to be used in a war I think that maybe something we should know about, I guess Manning had the guts to put his life where his words were and thought he was doing the right thing, most people would not risk their lives to expose corruption, most people are cowards.

The only people that have been duped seems to me the liberals in the Republican party that want business as usual to continue, contracts to be fulfilled and liberalism to spread itself ever further across the globe.

I see you point but it seems to me they try and grab that power anyways with executive orders. Yes Lincoln and FDR were pretty brutal to critics during those wars and yes they interned the Japanese Americans in camps, but my understanding as I know it, we have been under emergency powers since before I was even born, long before 911 happened, what good did it really do to protect us, just pieces of paper, if anything it kept us more in the dark.

Patriot act, NDAA, pieces of paper with ink on them, how can a piece of paper protect anybody, to me that seems the great irony of all this legislation, 60,000 laws and not a person that understands any of it every year, some good all those laws have done us. It maybe as if someone thinks that crime and war and destruction will vanish with the stroke of a pen or the brandishing of a uniform and weapon ,what have all these bombs and laws got us... $17 trillion in the hole, we’re broke and yet somehow if we only make more laws and bomb more places then it will magically get better? To me the simplest answer maybe to stop policing the world and cut the budget to play another day on the global stage, otherwise we run the risk of being owned by the Chinese and others, as well as have to sell National assets just to keep up with the interest on the debt.