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“There’s a major zot event waiting in the wings... ya can feel it in the air...”

Yes there is, and here it is.

I’m terminating my project here.

FR, admittedly being a bastion of true Conservatism, warranted some probing.

I’ve never made a promise I couldn’t keep. But I ask you: If you see a third party emerge, please support it.

Have to admit though I was starting to question the reading comprehension some of you have.

What’s also interesting in your “hunting me down” is that you didn’t locate my long held account here.

Staff, Mod, or someone please delete this account. Matter of fact feel free to purge all my posts.

Thanks...I never knew.

(My love affair with an abuser is over. Support a third party.)

I want to believe that if a third party did form, there very well may be enough Conservative (all inclusive) voters to make it viable.

The issue is getting them out of their “fix the party from within” and “lesser of 2 evils” voting method.

My opinion is too many are concerned...concerned their 3rd party votes will help elect a Dem, etc.

Good arguments abound here and elsewhere for “fix the party from within” and “start a third party.” Which one is the solution is the question.

What I do know for sure is what we’re doing isn’t working.

“If you don’t think it will happen in your lifetime, why do you want to go off-grid? Something you’d enjoy?”

My grandfather was a man of the land and I remember him reading Grit magazine articles to me, and he semi-lived the self-sufficiency life style.

In the late 70s I bought the original 4 Foxfire books, and I was hooked on all manner of that lifestyle. The entire self-sufficiency idea fits me to a tee as I am fiercely independent...possibly to my own detriment I imagine.

I remember in the early 80s trying to talk to some folks at work about a Trombe Wall...they thought I was nuts.

Along the way I realized we send our mil to places, the local folks change their ways to appease us, they take everything we have to offer, and then we leave. And they return to the exact behavior that brought us there. I experienced that a few times.

Then there’s the tax issue. I’m not married, my kids are grown and gone, I have no bills not even a mortgage, and I have a good job. Many times my fed income tax is about the same as a retirement I’m collecting. Ironically, some guys with kids/wife I work with that make about the same as I do, but aren’t collecting a retirement income, actually take home (gross) more than I do.

I’m all for a flat (consumption) tax.

So I’m to the point now where I just want to be self-sufficient and get out from under the government meddling in my life in any way shape or form. I don’t want their power at my house, their gas meter, water meter, bldg. inspectors, etc. I’m perfectly capable at taking care of myself.

But to be clear the allure of self-sufficiency is greater than getting out from under the gov...always has been.

After you explained it and thinking about it, I think you’re smart to diversify (rentals, business, etc.).

Age and health are a consideration. I’m in great health but who knows how long that will last.

Another consideration is hobbies, etc. If I went way out in the boonies I wouldn’t be able to participate. But getting far enough out so as not to deal with bldg. codes, inspectors, etc. was a pain.

I pray you’re wrong also.

Not to go too far OT but...

You mentioned ‘many of us are still around.’

I haven’t read all or even half of Cloward-Piven, but I’ll bet there’s something in there about indoctrinating school age kids. IE: they won’t be taught what the Constitution says. And I won’t bet on their parents.

What the GOP does when they assume more control in 2015 will be their report card.

Regardless what the GOP does in 2015 I will vote for Cruz, Palin and maybe others (undecided).

We still have a tiny sliver of chance.

That’s about all the optimism I have.

Couple I use:

http://thomas.loc.gov/home/thomas.php

http://www.ontheissues.org/default.htm

I said “financial reality” but the truth is the issue is much bigger than that. But that gets in to personal information I’m not willing to share this being the internet and all.

Sounds like you have a great plan.

Personally though the small businesses and rental properties would be too much “on the grid” for me. I want to get as far out from under this as possible. I’d be willing to take a lump sum for my pension, withdraw all funds from all banks, etc. That all is still needs research, although the lump sum for the pension isn’t an option.

I’ve figured it’ll take 2 yrs of living expenses before I’ll be 100% self sustaining. Food has to be grown and put up, critters raised then butchered, a battering network established/joined, etc.

I think a financial collapse for this nation is the most likely scenario. The normal folks will suffer. Guess the rich will also depending on how big it gets.

I mentioned elsewhere my most likely guess is: the Dems keep winning, a big financial collapse happens, the poor get hungrier and hyungrier over a year or two, the rich aren’t really impacted that much (Remember Dagny’s walks through the poorer parts of town), then .gov swoops down offering 3 hots and a cot - folks are starving so they sign up.

I’ve often wondered which big businesses would go Galt is the situation was right. And if any have already, and there’s not some valley somewhere they’re hiding in.

I really don’t think I’ll see this in my lifetime. My kids might, but I’m convinced my grandkids will.

“Form a third party and invite true conservatives in office to join. You will immediately see the rinos voting with the democrats. This will out them.”

I commented a while back it was really be interesting to see who would leave the GOP and who would stay.

Those leaving would be risking a lot.

I do believe your solution just may be easier to accomplish than mine.

Here’s to hoping that at least one succeeds.

“The idea of moving the fight to the state legislatures is to do battle on more favorable ground,...”

How do we get those folks in office?

Lost on the cut and paste:

The pack up the Constitution part is really just symbolic; it’ll never happen.

But if someone like Cruz called me and said that was his plan, I’d go in a heartbeat.

Going Galt here is something I absolutely would like to do, but the financial reality is I can’t.

What I can and will do is go off the grid when I retire. The plan is to be completely self sufficient.

Be careful and don’t saddle up too close to me.

There’s a few folks that apparently think I’m a surrender monkey, etc. and have said they’ll follow me around and point this out.

I'm missing your point here, especially the second sentence.

SWAG: I quickly ran the numbers here http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2012/2012presgeresults.pdf and it looks like Romney lost by about 4 million votes and there were about 2 million third party votes.

“...is to run around end, reform Washington not from inside where it is impossible but from outside in the state legislatures where there is at least some chance of overcoming these overwhelming forces.”

I agree that your analysis could work, but I don’t think it will work as the pols are entrenched and have a voting base to stay that way. Not to mention how they watch each others’ backs, vote “no,” vote “yes,” then cry, “See I tried to stop it.”

My opinion is the only way(s) to fix this is either a third party, or your basic out with the old and in with the new in D.C.

The next few years will be absolutely fascinating.

Don’t take this personal, but a few yrs back this issue made me mad as hell...sorry.

“And that is how you end up electing a Democrat president. Haven’t any of you learned that if you split the Republican vote, you get Democrats in office.”

People need to stop voting for the lesser of 2 evils and vote for the candidate that best represents their ideas and ideals.

It’s one of the only ways this nation has a chance.

Otherwise, the GOPe will just keep getting elected, and stronger.

IMO it’s now or never.

Agreed. If Cruz gets the GOP nom I absolutely will vote for him.

Actually I think that has more probability than a Cruz/Palin third party ticket.

Look at the damage Zer0 has done.

I think Cruz has the potential to do great things for this place.

And I’m sick and tired of voting for the sellout liars in the GOP.

They’re taking us to the same place as the Dems, just at a slower pace.

Enough is enough.

IIRC he said something akin to: this country needs to be run like a business.

I liked that.

No disrespect or insult intended but are you one of those “the lesser of 2 evils” endorsers?

For the longest time I was one also.

Then I ran the numbers for the 2008 election.

You can see here http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2008/2008presgeresults.pdf there were not enough third party votes to get McCain past Zer0.