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I never heard the perpetrator's name or national origin mentioned in ANY of the news reports that I saw--none at all. No photos of him or the carnage, either. I did read a quote about what a nice person he was--gee. It seems that it was all just a misunderstanding, an anomaly if you like. Watch for the burial of the story as much as the victim. There is a very curious pattern...

The supreme irony. And we are doing business with these people? We sell the Gospel with one hand, and help destroy it with the other. Unbelievable. There must be a special place in Hell for such characters. Nobody seems to be listening, but I still say that down the road America will regret doing business with these devils.

Yes, a very interesting word, "up". Very "productive," especially with respect to idiomatic phrases. I think what adds to the productivity is its use as a "particle" (Webster's Collegiate: "a unit of speech expressing some general aspect of meaning or some connective or limiting relation and including the articles, most prepositions and conjunctions, and some interjections and adverbs.")
There are some odd rules about where one can put articles as well (some of the posts reflected the humor in doing this).
This usage puts the English language in stark contrast with many languages which do not break up their verbs this way in order to produce shades of meaning. Most languages just use a single verb rather than add words to them the way we often do. This must strike foreigners as very strange (how do we keep track of them?, how do we know which verbs can be adjusted for meaning this way, etc.). Basque is an exception...always exceptions. And all this without much conscious thought...how do people do that? No one knows.

This piece of news is not a "one-shot deal," but a continuing controversy with, perhaps, no end in sight, and implications far into the future. Look beyond your nose.

Where, oh, where are the WMD? Search no further. But where do we go from here? What shall be done about Syria? And Iran? Russia? It seems that the Russians have been adept at putting a rope around their own necks (what they used to claim that they would do to us capitalists). Now they are paying the price with terrorists attacks and mass murder in their own back yard. They have tried to cover their tracks, but they are there. Play with the Devil, and the Devil comes for your soul. Let's do our best to get the news to John Kerry and the DNC. Meanwhile, the weapons will be a potential menace to the world for some time to come. The USA still has a lot of showdowns coming down the road. Brace yourself.

Another wake-up call, the kind that spans the ages. Is anyone listening? This is a struggle so long in duration that the undercurrents are very deep and fundamental. This involves two very different kinds of civilizations, one which has come to terms (after a lot of struggle of its own) with the relations between church and state, and one which has not.
The latter cannot hope to coexist with the former unless it abandons its agenda of terror and conquest. In the arena of world affairs, such a civilization must be deterred from this agenda by force, thus the current war. Moreover, immigration policy must change in order to stave off internal disorder. No way around that, no way at all.

Excellent points, well said. We are far gone. These folks are all over the landscape. Seems unthinkable, but true. Come another war, this foolishness will go far to destroy us. In the Civil War, they used to call them "Copperheads." Why not help our enemies? Because the PRC is known to be taking our measure every minute, looking for signs of weakness. In addition, they are in the midst of a tremendous military buildup. What are they planning to do with all those weapons? Doesn't seem to matter to the Internet giants. They will be very sorry down the line.
After this sort of consorting with the enemy, items like sedition and treason are a peace of cake.

It's their dirty little secret--or was, until someone ratted them out. I have to hand it to these folks, very enterprising to have profits so near to their hearts. Patriotism and ethics are just abstractions, but money...that's something to die for. The web is truly an equal-opportunity avenue for freedom lovers and dictators alike. Should war break out between China and the US, would Nortel and Google be allowed to keep their contracts with the Chinese active, or have them interrupted? It is, no doubt, against US law to do at home what Nortel and Google are doing over in China (CENSORSHIP), but what's not lawful here is "fine" to do over there. By this logic, US companies could help bring back slavery on foreign soil while avoiding it at home. Something smells very, very bad here.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to agree totally with you. We really are going to be busy with Arabic speakers for a long time to come. So long, in fact, that American schools should immediately make plans to begin teaching Arabic in our schools in order to make it easier to understand these people and what they are up to (especially terrorists). I'm serious about this; I think you are, too. We cannot afford to remain so "cut off" from a major world civilization, some of who members have lethal issues with us.
What do you say, educators? What do you think?

Back to the Tower of Babel. In case anybody missed this back in '03. No wonder this country has slipshod security! Whose idiotic idea was this? Read the article for more on the outrage, because if true, that's what it is. This is just the kind of gross incompetence and carelessness which gets people killed, and has. Does the FBI really prefer Muslim Arabic speakers over Jewish Arabic speakers? If so, why? What is the motivation behind this policy? Who is more likely to betray us? I understand that there is quite a backlog of untranslated documents and recorded dialogue in Arabic. Are they just going to let that material sit there and gather dust while qualified linguists are turned away and opportunities for uncovering plots to murder Americans remain secret? Perhaps the FBI should contact the military on how to utilize linguists, since they dispay more wisdom on the subject.

In a dictatorship, democracy is just a formality.

Touché! But anybody with b*alls that big ought to run for president, since this one does not seem to realize the threat to national security that we are now facing on our borders.

HOw can he do this? How can it be LEGAL to force American citizens to give their money to those who are here ILLEGALLY?!

The road to serfdom has now been laid out before us. The enemies of freedom are using the courts to further their utopian-socialist agenda. It's that simple. Therefore, pressure must be brought to bear on the courts, judges, judicial elections, et al. in order to put a stop to this.
Obviously the judge is a usurper, an abuser of power, and is violating the separation of powers concept in the Constitution. What he is doing is antithetical to the guiding principles of a democratic republic and he must be stopped. I recommend that he be impeached. How do we go about beginning impeachment proceedings against this individual? Is there a shyster in the house?

Who gives a damn what the judge's "intent" is? He does not make the laws. The voters of Arizona have spoken and they want Prop 200. The Governor should challenge him on this. This is tyranny. How can one man wield that much power? I think the whole thing is hogwash and Arizona should ignore his opinion. This is abuse of judicial power at its worst. Arizona is supposed to be a democracy.
This judge can opine anything he wants. But the law is the law. If he wants a judicial "crisis" Arizona should give it to him and get on with the business of governing Arizona. Arizona is not asking this judge for "permission" to enact a law!
Unless Arizona wants to secede and join with Mexico (by forcing its taxpayers to subsidize illegal aliens), it had better get control of its government back from the tyrant judges. By such usurpers we will be put in chains.

"Pro-Law Forces demand adherence to existing federal immigration laws."
Yes...it's interesting how the headlines reveal the stance of the newswriter. One has to wonder: why does the writer not understand the harmful affects of illegal immigration?
What grates about mainstream media coverage is that there is a derogatory message embedded in the typical headline. Whose country is it, anyway? Where has the rule of law gone? Has expediency overwhelmed our good judgement?
The Republican Party had better "get it" and "get it fast." The majority of the American people do not want illegal aliens getting into OUR country. Further, they want the laws enforced to keep the situation under control; it is now OUT of control.
There is absolutely no valid excuse for this. The longer we wait, the more our country will be flooded both with illegals with no sense of loyalty to a country which cannot run its own affairs (why should they?), and terrorists and spies who will find ways to kill us and will act on them. Of what use is ANY political party or government if they cannot/will not protect the country? Seal the borders now, Mr. Bush!

It's about time that the French put a stop to this. Perhaps they are now finally waking up to the deadly reality of war. Having born the brunt of the Nazi onslaught in WWII, one would think them wiser than to have allowed the broadcast of such seditious garbage in the first place.
When will the world stop underestimating the enemy? Have we learned nothing from WWII? French and Americans fought a common enemy in WWII. We fight a common enemy once again. Complacency and pacifism be damned! Why so much inertia? Why so much defeatism? It is obvious that the world will periodically be threatened by evil. Deal with it.
The future will either bring a bright age or a dark age, but the world's powers have no one to blame but themselves should darkness prevail. Let us hang together, Frenchmen, Americans, et al., or we will surely hang separately.

Excellent points, yours and everyone's; and that is exactly what we have to do. Those who would draw distinctions between conventional illegals and terrorists are engaging in sophistry. This specious form of reasoning is going to get us killed. The law is there for a reason; let's enforce it. There really is no alternative. The terrorists are the constant reminder of that and can and will force us to come to our senses, or die.
This dirty business of using illegals to do our dirty work while projecting the terrorist problem as "over there" and as something "different" in kind is insane and suicidal. Wake up, citizens! The alarm bell is ringing!
Ultimately, we are going to have to do many more unpleasant and extreme things to root out the murderers and moles in order to save ourselves. Prepare yourself, Americans. Think back to WWII.

That is a very dangerous train of thought. Are you certain of what motivates our "leaders"? Don't be naive. There is tremendous pressure on Bush and the Feds not to throttle the traffic in bodies moving across the border, even if that means running the risk of another 9/11. Hard to think in those terms, isn't it?
Nearly everyone in positions of authority is denying even the possibility that the two processes could connect. But we have already had the 9/11 hijackers and their easy penetration of our immigration procedures. Surely other terrorist cells have been able to penetrate our defenses as well, and they are being very patient with their quarry.
The thing to keep in mind: the situation is a "fait accompli." It is so dangerous, so horrible, so scandalous, that the Feds cannot even acknowledge its existence. In other words, the terrorists probably already have a number of well placed conspirators who are planning to strike again at the time and place of their own choosing. They have been able to enter the country because of lax immigration laws, and this is going to get a lot more people killed. How can we assume otherwise?
Did you not hear the news that the Feds had evidence that the terrorists might have had a nuclear weapon in NYC? They kept it quiet in order to avoid panic and scandal. But the point to this whole thing is that the Feds have failed to protect us! What good are they if they cannot fulfill this vital function?
The incompetence demonstrated by these functionaries is probably the worst threat to national security that we have ever faced. We must face an excrutiating fact: border security and national security are inextricably linked. The millions of conventional illegals and the terrorists are also inextricably linked; they are both engaging in illegal acts, shoulder-to-shoulder. That one is less dangerous than the other in no way mitigates the illegal act.
We are going to continue to pay a terrible price for turning a blind eye to illegal aliens. It is hubris to think that we can "sort them out later," or that we can allow Americans not to do the jobs which illegals will do. Remember the price we paid for turning a blind eye to slavery? To eradicate the blight of slavery resulted in 600,000 war dead.

That is a very dangerous train of thought. Are you certain of what motivates our "leaders"? Don't be naive. There is tremendous pressure on Bush and the Feds not to throttle the traffic in bodies moving across the border, even if that means running the risk of another 9/11. Hard to think in those terms, isn't it?
Nearly everyone in positions of authority is denying even the possibility that the two processes could connect. But we have already had the 9/11 hijackers and their easy penetration of our immigration procedures. Surely other terrorist cells have been able to penetrate our defenses as well, and they are being very patient with their quarry.
The thing to keep in mind: the situation is a "fait accompli." It is so dangerous, so horrible, so scandalous, that the Feds cannot even acknowledge its existence. In other words, the terrorists probably already have a number of well placed conspirators who are planning to strike again at the time and place of their own choosing. They have been able to enter the country because of lax immigration laws, and this is going to get a lot more people killed. How can we assume otherwise?
Did you not hear the news that the Feds had evidence that the terrorists might have had a nuclear weapon in NYC? They kept it quiet in order to avoid panic and scandal. But the point to this whole thing is that the Feds have failed to protect us! What good are they if they cannot fulfill this vital function?
The incompetence demonstrated by these functionaries is probably the worst threat to national security that we have ever faced. We must face an excrutiating fact: border security and national security are inextricably linked. The millions of conventional illegals and the terrorists are also inextricably linked; they are both engaging in illegal acts, shoulder-to-shoulder. That one is less dangerous than the other in no way mitigates the illegal act.
We are going to continue to pay a terrible price for turning a blind eye to illegal aliens. It is hubris to think that we can "sort them out later," or that we can allow Americans not to do the jobs which illegals will do. Remember the price we paid for turning a blind eye to slavery? To eradicate the blight of slavery resulted in 600,000 war dead.

Indeed! Those Orange County Muslims should be thanking their god (and Americans) that they are not car-bombed, don't get decapitated, or get their throats cut!
Isn't it amazing the freedoms that we enjoy here, as opposed to Bagdad, Mecca, Sudan, Beijing, etc. The RDDB's cry about American imperialism with the full benefits of American liberty to speak their minds. Let them try that overseas.
Muslims have to expect to be proselytized by Christians here; goes with the territory and nothing can change that. In Muslim nations, the result is usually harrassment, assault, torture, and death for Christians who do this. A religion which converts by force is no religion AT ALL.