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  • Another Pentecostal Snake Handler Dies After Venomous Bite

    07/30/2015 2:41:37 PM PDT · 63 of 70
    Kolokotronis to xzins

    Jaimie Coots! And here I thought all along that the bring your own snake Rev’s name was Billy Bob Jeff!

    You know, Padre, our Greek priests have been around for at least 1800 years and not one of them has ever died of snake bite...at least not in church!

    More proof that the weed of heresy ALWAYS bears bitter fruit!

  • Prayer Request for Freeper Goodwithagun

    07/29/2015 5:42:26 PM PDT · 31 of 72
    Kolokotronis to Tired of Taxes

    O Lord Almighty, healer of our souls and bodies, Who putteth down and raiseth up, Who chastiseth and health also; now, in Thy great mercy, visit our sister who is sick. Stretch forth Thy hand that is full of healing and health, and raise her up, and cure her of her illness. Put away from her the spirit of disease and of every malady, pain and fever to which she is bound. And if she has sins and transgressions, grant to her remission and forgiveness, for Thou lovest humankind. Yea, O Lord my God, have pity on Thy creation, through the compassions of Thine only-begotten Son, together with Thine all-holy, good, and life-creating Spirit, with whom Thou art blessed, both now and ever, and to ages of ages.

  • What Makes a Priest Rejoice at Confession

    07/29/2015 3:26:41 PM PDT · 5 of 5
    Kolokotronis to NRx

    Marvelous article’ just marvelous! How many times has that second picture been me? Not enough times, I have no doubt!

  • Knights of Columbus Unveil New Campaign to Aid Middle-East Christians

    07/29/2015 3:21:42 PM PDT · 9 of 23
    Kolokotronis to NYer

    God bless them!

  • Hidden Jewels: Appreciating the Prefaces of the Eucharistic Prayer [Catholic Caucus]

    07/29/2015 8:48:45 AM PDT · 10 of 24
    Kolokotronis to Salvation
    Better

    Pretty in Latin...sublime in Greek (whence you folks got it)!

    "Priest: Ἡ χάρις τοῦ Κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ καὶ ἡ ἀγάπη τοῦ Θεοῦ καὶ Πατρὸς καὶ ἡ κοινωνία τοῦ Ἁγίου Πνεύματος εἴη μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν.

    People: Καὶ μετὰ τοῦ πνεύματός σου.

    Priest: Ἄνω σχῶμεν τὰς καρδίας.

    People: Ἔχομεν πρὸς τὸν Κύριον.

    Priest: Εὐχαριστήσωμεν τῷ Κυρίῳ.

    People: Ἄξιον καὶ δίκαιον."

  • Hidden Jewels: Appreciating the Prefaces of the Eucharistic Prayer [Catholic Caucus]

    07/29/2015 8:47:34 AM PDT · 9 of 24
    Kolokotronis to Salvation
    Pretty in Latin...sublime in Greek (whence you folks got it)! "Priest: Ἡ χάρις τοῦ Κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ καὶ ἡ ἀγάπη τοῦ Θεοῦ καὶ Πατρὸς καὶ ἡ κοινωνία τοῦ Ἁγίου Πνεύματος εἴη μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶν. People: Καὶ μετὰ τοῦ πνεύματός σου. Priest: Ἄνω σχῶμεν τὰς καρδίας. People: Ἔχομεν πρὸς τὸν Κύριον. Priest: Εὐχαριστήσωμεν τῷ Κυρίῳ. People: Ἄξιον καὶ δίκαιον."
  • Gay Catholics Push for Church Weddings

    07/29/2015 3:49:39 AM PDT · 97 of 118
    Kolokotronis to redgolum

    “There are those who have SSAD, but are celibate. I know a few.”

    We have several in our parish, I think. All are active members of the parish and hard workers. All but one are celibate and receive the sacraments. The one fellow who has been with his partner for many’ many years, does not present himself for communion, does not make any public spectacle of his living arrangements and his partner has never been to church so far as I know. We also have a number of straight people who live in meritricious relationships. Priests over the years have barred them from communion and now they don’t presen themselves for the sacrament either. The rules apply to everyone.

  • ORTHODOX MONASTICISM: A BRIEF STUDY FOR THE LAYMAN

    07/29/2015 3:14:03 AM PDT · 5 of 5
    Kolokotronis to NRx

    Excellent article, NRx. Our monastics are true spiritual Olympians. Creation can be transformed into its pre Fall state around some of them as can be seen on Mount Athos.

    Met. Isaiah is a great hierarch, in my opinion. He was, btw, a Marine and it shows.

  • New York parishioners protest removal of beloved artwork from historic church

    07/26/2015 3:49:53 AM PDT · 7 of 8
    Kolokotronis to NYer

    Sigh....

  • Introducing the Church Fathers

    07/24/2015 6:51:41 PM PDT · 9 of 13
    Kolokotronis to lightman

    Indeed! His Orthodoxy was second to none yet he worked for a Caliph!

  • Introducing the Church Fathers

    07/24/2015 5:18:45 PM PDT · 5 of 13
    Kolokotronis to Salvation

    “...Origen, Tertullian, and Eusebius of Caesarea, are still considered Fathers because of their great contributions to the Church.”

    Maybe by you guys, but not us. The first two were condemned as heretics and the third was, well let’s just say he was no great saint!

    We’d add +Gregory Palamas.

  • The Church, or Christ?

    07/24/2015 2:10:32 PM PDT · 56 of 79
    Kolokotronis to Tax-chick
  • The Church, or Christ?

    07/24/2015 1:53:22 PM PDT · 54 of 79
    Kolokotronis to Tax-chick; don-o

    Trust me on this one, TC, Damick is no better than Dreher. If ever a man loved the self important sound of his own bloviating, it’s Damick. He’s part of that American convert class of Orthodox priests who claim their mission is to “de-mystify” Orthodoxy.

  • The Church, or Christ?

    07/24/2015 1:24:42 PM PDT · 52 of 79
    Kolokotronis to don-o

    When we are in Montreal, we attend St. George AOC. They have a “Russian” choir in the choir loft and a Byzantine Choir down by the psaltis’ stand. For Arabic and Greek, the Byzantine chant is sublime. For English, however, the Slavonic tones of the Russian choir are spectacular. English just doesn’t do it with Byzantine tones.

  • The Church, or Christ?

    07/24/2015 1:17:30 PM PDT · 51 of 79
    Kolokotronis to don-o

    “If you liturgize it, they will come. Come and see. The services will teach them everything. Acquire the Holy Spirit and thousands around you will be saved, right?”

    Yes, right. The services will indeed teach them everything and that will transform them and creation around them will be saved too! By prayer they might “die to the self” and experience the uncreated light of God!

    “As you may imagine, that kind of sloganeering does not much appeal to me, because it at least seems to me that its underlying message is “You don’t have to go into all the world and preach the Gospel. You don’t have to teach people the Gospel message.”

    What a shame. This man made his way to the Western Church but failed spiritually there so now he shows up in the East and tells us how wrong we’ve been for the past 1800 years or so. The reality of lex orandi lex credendi is not sloganeering!

  • The Church, or Christ?

  • The LCMS Calls a Post a Post

    07/22/2015 12:44:54 PM PDT · 19 of 36
    Kolokotronis to redgolum; NRx

    I always liked the LCMS and the LCWS. :)

  • Britain's House of Lords debate freedom of religion and belief

    07/21/2015 5:52:50 PM PDT · 5 of 5
    Kolokotronis to NRx

    This is excellent. Thank-you.

  • Hundreds rally to support Confederate flag

    07/20/2015 6:55:58 PM PDT · 13 of 15
    Kolokotronis to jeffersondem

    Scroll down for why Georgia seceded. The other declarations make for interesting reading too.

    http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~ras2777/amgov/secession.html

    How about the constitutionalism of Alexander Stephens? You know who he was, don’t you. Speaking of the Constitution of the Confederacy he said:

    “Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.”

    2015 and a Freeper excuses treason and the gloification of slavery! WOW.

  • Obama administration tightens grant rules for religious groups

    07/20/2015 4:57:09 PM PDT · 13 of 18
    Kolokotronis to markomalley

    You take the king’s shilling’ you are the king’s man....

  • LGBT Activists Warn Public Not to Watch Ray Comfort's New Movie on Homosexuality (Polite Caucus)

    07/20/2015 4:50:18 PM PDT · 49 of 79
    Kolokotronis to xzins
    Right, like "θάνατος and αθάνατος", dead and not dead, or immortal as in αγίος αθάνατος "Holy Immortal One".
  • LGBT Activists Warn Public Not to Watch Ray Comfort's New Movie on Homosexuality (Polite Caucus)

    07/20/2015 4:31:40 PM PDT · 46 of 79
    Kolokotronis to xzins
    Maybe anevangelios... It looks better in Greek "ανεβανγέλιος".
  • Hundreds rally to support Confederate flag

    07/20/2015 4:18:26 PM PDT · 6 of 15
    Kolokotronis to jeffersondem

    Greatest failure of the Union was that the national government didn’t execute the Confederate leaders and generals for precisely treason once they had vanquished them. Do you deny that they were miserable traitors, more dedicated to the continuation and indeed expansion of human bondage than this nation?

  • Hundreds rally to support Confederate flag

    07/20/2015 3:30:38 PM PDT · 3 of 15
    Kolokotronis to euram

    Yes, the true and worthy descendants of the traitors of January 29, 1861!

  • LGBT Activists Warn Public Not to Watch Ray Comfort's New Movie on Homosexuality (Polite Caucus)

    07/20/2015 2:55:58 PM PDT · 41 of 79
    Kolokotronis to xzins

    ????????

  • Prayers for My BIL with Cancer (Update at #98)

    07/20/2015 1:08:41 PM PDT · 29 of 135
    Kolokotronis to Bigg Red

    Akathist to the Most Holy Theotokos, the Healer of Cancer:

    http://www.angelfire.com/ga/riggs/AkathistTheotokosQueenofAll.html

  • Prayers for My BIL with Cancer (Update at #98)

    07/20/2015 12:18:22 PM PDT · 18 of 135
    Kolokotronis to Bigg Red

    Lord, have mercy; Lord, have mercy; Lord, have mercy.

    Through the intercessions of our Holy Father St. Nektarios of Aegina, heal the cancer of your servant in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Amen.

    Offspring of Silyvria and the guardian of Aegina,
    the true friend of virtue who hath appeared in the last years,
    Nektarios, we faithful honour thee as the Godly servant of Christ,
    for you pour forth healing on everyone who piously cries out:
    Glory to Christ Who hath glorified thee,
    Glory to Him Who hath magnified thee,
    Glory to Him who through thee workest healings to all.

  • On the Sacramental Nature of Marriage

    07/19/2015 11:55:05 AM PDT · 6 of 6
    Kolokotronis to NRx
    O God most pure, Author of all creation, Who through Your man-befriending love transformed a rib of Adam the forefather into a woman, and blessed them and said, "Increase and multiply, and have dominion over the earth," and, by the conjoining, declared them both to be one member, for because of this a man shall forsake his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife, and the two shall be one flesh‑and whom God has joined together let not man put asunder;

    Who did also bless Your servant Abraham, and opened the womb of Sara, and made him the father of many nations; Who bestowed Isaac upon Rebecca, and blessed her offspring; Who joined Jacob and Rachel, and from them made manifest the twelve patriarchs; Who yoked Joseph and Asenath together, and as the fruit of generation did bestow upon them Ephrem and Manasse; Who accepted Zacharias and Elizabeth, and declared their offspring the Forerunner;

    Who out of the root of Jesse, according to the flesh, produced the Ever‑Virgin Mary, and from her were Incarnate-born for the salvation of the human race; Who through Your unspeakable Grace and plentiful goodness were present in Cana of Galilee, and blessed the marriage there, that You might show a lawful union, and a generation there from, is according to Your Will; do You Yourself, O Most Holy Master, accept the prayer of us, Your servants; and as You were present there, be present also here with Your invisible protection.

    Bless (+) this marriage and grant unto these Your servants (Name) and (Name) a peaceful life, length of days, chastity, love for one another in a bond of peace, offspring long‑lived, fair fame by reason of their children, and a crown of glory that does not fade away.

    Account them worthy to see their children's children. Keep their wedlock safe against every hostile scheme; give them of the dew from the Heavens above, and of the fatness of the earth. Fill their houses with bountiful food, and with every good thing, that they may have to give to them that are in need, bestowing also on them that are here assembled with us all their supplications that are unto salvation.

    For a God of mercy and of compassion, and of manbefriending love are You, and to You do we send up Glory: as to Your eternal Father and Your All‑Holy, Good, and Life‑creating Spirit, both now and ever, and to the ages of ages.

    Here's a link to the Crowning service:

    http://www.goarch.org/chapel/liturgical_texts/wedding

  • 60,000 March in Memory of Royal Martyrs of Russia

    07/18/2015 2:37:40 PM PDT · 2 of 24
    Kolokotronis to NRx
    Royalty and martyrdom were joined together, O blest ones, * in your death for righteousness and right belief, O wise Sovereigns, * Nicholas and Alexandra, * with your five children. *Hence, Christ our God hath deemed you worthy of thrones in Heaven; * and with twofold crowns of glory, * ye reign for ever, * adorned with grace divine.

    Most noble and sublime was your life and death, O Sovereigns;* wise Nicholas and blest Alexandra, we praise you,* acclaiming your piety, meekness, faith, and humility,* whereby ye attained to crowns of glory in Christ our God,* with your five renowned and godly children of blest fame. * Martyrs decked in purple, intercede for us.

  • Southernmost Church in the World: Where Father Kirilov Celebrates Mass at 25 Degrees Below Zero

    07/18/2015 12:09:12 PM PDT · 8 of 8
    Kolokotronis to marshmallow; NRx
    Thank-you. This is very nice.

    From solitude and silence are born tender contrition, and meekness; the activity of this latter in the human heart may be compared to that quiet water of Siloe, which flows without noise or sound, as the Prophet Isaiah speaks of it: 'the waters of Siloe that go softly' (Is. 8:6). St. Seraphim of Sarov, Little Russian Philokalia, Vol. 1

  • Were Early Churches Ruled by Elders or a Single Bishop?

    07/18/2015 5:19:29 AM PDT · 157 of 158
    Kolokotronis to BlueDragon; xzins
    “Do not pass through the streets of the hot-tempered and quarrelsome, lest your heart be filled with anger, and the darkness of delusion dominate your soul.”

    + St. Isaac the Syrian

  • Were Early Churches Ruled by Elders or a Single Bishop?

    07/17/2015 1:58:11 PM PDT · 153 of 158
    Kolokotronis to BlueDragon; xzins

    “Can you step away from all the rest which followed long enough to see not only what I was saying, but to then compare things -— as compared to Scripture also?”

    I thought I did. I suppose all I can add is that we do things the way we have always and everywhere done things. Your ecclesiology is different. In all honesty what you do makes no difference to me. It’s not my place to tell Baptists how to run their communities.

    Orthodoxy is here in the West to be seen if people want to look. If people come and don’t like what they see, we tell them that’s fine and offer them another piece of baklava.

    Otherwise, my answer is what xzins said.

  • Were Early Churches Ruled by Elders or a Single Bishop?

    07/17/2015 6:08:42 AM PDT · 141 of 158
    Kolokotronis to Elsie
    " So TRADITION is used to VERIFY Scripture."

    The canon of scripture is closed, so not now. But it certainly was used; absolutely no question about that. Today Holy Tradition (as opposed to "tradition") among other functions, helps us understand scripture.

  • Were Early Churches Ruled by Elders or a Single Bishop?

    07/17/2015 6:00:24 AM PDT · 140 of 158
    Kolokotronis to BlueDragon

    We do not hire or fire our priests. We do pay them, however. Priests are assigned to parishes by the bishop or metropolitan. Our opinion on a potential priest is always sought and so far as I can remember, is always honored. Similarly, though we cannot fire a priest, we certainly can complain to the bishop or metropolitan znd if it is the sense of the parishioners that a priest ought to go, the bishop usually will remove the priest. If a hierarch didn’t do the foregoing, it likely wouldn’t be worth the hassle of a troublesome parish. On the other hand, the hierarch can always, at least arguably, close the parish and try to take the assets. Priests cannot serve without the permission of the bishop nor can they travel from parish to parish to celebrate the Divine Liturgy without his permission. Once they are in a particular diocese or metropolis, they cannot transfer to another without the permission of his hierarch and the receiving hierarch.

    The laity has no say at all over the sacramental life of the parish. That is solely the province of the priest and/or the bishop...but we can always complain and we are usually listened to.

    I have seen it happen that a parish gets into a fight with its bishop and loses big time. In that instance, the parish was simply wrong and arrogant and deserved what I got. No other parish in the metropolis supported it against the bishop.

  • Were Early Churches Ruled by Elders or a Single Bishop?

    07/17/2015 4:51:51 AM PDT · 133 of 158
    Kolokotronis to Claud
    The article you cited says: "The people of God are the guardians of truth and Christian doctrine. In response to the West, an encyclical from the Ecumenical Patriarchate in the last century firmly stated, "the guardian of religion is the very body of the Church, that is, the people (laos) itself."

    Nothing that any council, local or ecumenical, does is true dogma or binding discipline unless the Laos tou Theou accept it. Every hierarch in Orthodoxy could say black is white but unless the people live that out in their lives, it simply isn't so.

    To give you examples, if Latins were Orthodox, Humanae Vitae would not be dogma, Papal Infallibilty would not be dogma, the Assumption likely would be. The Laos tou Theou don't and haven't lived out the first two but have the third.

    BTW, The Church in the East has proclaimed very little dogma, in no small measure because most of us believe that the last truly ecumenical council was held in the 8th century.

  • Were Early Churches Ruled by Elders or a Single Bishop?

    07/17/2015 2:47:36 AM PDT · 131 of 158
    Kolokotronis to Claud; BlueDragon

    In Orthodoxy, the bishop is pretty much a monarch in his diocese/metropolis, but as even the unlamented Archbishop Spyridin discovered, in the end it is the People of God who decide whether or not a hierarch is “Worthy” or “Unworthy”. Of course, the various Synods can also deal with an errant bishop/metropolitan/patriarch, but the real ultimate authority is the Laos tou Theou.

    As for +Ignatius, I think you’ve got it right. For +Ignatius, the totality of The Church, the complete Church if you will, is found in a single diocese as defined. This is not to say that The Church is not universal, catholic. Clearly it is. But that worldwide Church is no “more Church”, a more complete Church, than a single diocese. This is, as I understand it, different from the Latin understanding.

  • Video from the first Feast of St. Paisios at Souroti Monastery (Ecumenical)

    07/16/2015 11:39:27 AM PDT · 3 of 3
    Kolokotronis to NRx
    Apolytikion in the First Tone

    The offspring of Farasa, and the adornment of Athos, and the imitator of the former righteous, equal in honor, O Paisios let us honor O faithful, the vessel full of graces, who hastens speedily to those who cry out: glory to Him Who gave you strength, glory to Him Who crowned you, glory to Him Who grants through you healings for all.

    Kontakion in the Plagal of the Fourth Tone

    The most-famed ascetic of the Holy Mountain, and the newly-enlightened light of the Church, let us praise him with hymns with all our heart, for he leads the faithful towards a perfect life, filling them with rivers of gifts, therefore we cry out: Hail, O Father Paisios.

  • Were Early Churches Ruled by Elders or a Single Bishop?

    07/16/2015 9:20:08 AM PDT · 121 of 158
    Kolokotronis to one Lord one faith one baptism; RnMomof7
    "There was no Roman Catholic church before 300 ad.. when Constantine add the pagan practices that RC’s embrace today"

    and

    "Constantine didn’t do anything to the Church except stop persecuting it."

    Well, he was responsible for calling the !st Ecumenical Council whence we have the Creed. It was called to deal with the Arian heresy, even though Constantine himself had Arian sympathies. There were over 300 bishops in attendance. During the council, Arius was called upon to support his heretical thesis. As he spoke, +Nicholas (yup, that St. Nicholas) got up from his seat, crossed the floor and slugged Arius!

    There was no "Roman Catholic Church" then or for centuries thereafter. What there was was the Church of Rome, just like there was the Church of Antioch, Alexandria, Constantinople and Jerusalem.

  • Were Early Churches Ruled by Elders or a Single Bishop?

    07/16/2015 8:56:09 AM PDT · 113 of 158
    Kolokotronis to RnMomof7
    " but to assume they would recognize what one calls the "One holy, apostolic church " one deludes themselves.. "

    Got to disagree with that, Momof7. The Creed adopted at the 1st Ecumenical Council in 324 proclaimed in closing:

    "Τοὺς δὲ λέγοντας, ὅτι ἦν ποτε ὅτε οὐκ ἦν, καὶ πρὶν γεννηθῆναι οὐκ ἦν, καὶ ὅτι ἐξ οὐκ ὄντων ἐγένετο, ἢ ἐξ ἑτέρας ὑποστάσεως ἢ οὐσίας φάσκοντας εἶναι, [ἢ κτιστόν,] τρεπτὸν ἢ ἀλλοιωτὸν τὸν υἱὸν τοῦ θεοῦ, [τούτους] ἀναθεματίζει ἡ καθολικὴ [καὶ ἀποστολικὴ] ἐκκλησία."

    "But those who say: 'There was a time when he was not;' and 'He was not before he was made;' and 'He was made out of nothing,' or 'He is of another substance' or 'essence,' or 'The Son of God is created,' or 'changeable,' or 'alterable'— they are condemned by the holy catholic and apostolic Church"

    And at the 2nd Ecumenical Council in 381, it was proclaimed that:

    "Πιστεύομεν...Εἰς μίαν, ἁγίαν, καθολικὴν καὶ ἀποστολικὴν ἐκκλησίαν· ὁμολογοῦμεν ἓν βάπτισμα εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν· προσδοκοῦμεν ἀνάστασιν νεκρῶν, καὶ ζωὴν τοῦ μέλλοντος αἰῶνος. Ἀμήν."

    "We believe...In one holy catholic and apostolic Church; we acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen."

    BTW, don't get too hung up on the word "catholic". In these contexts the word means "universal". It has nothing to do with Rome (or Alexandria or Moscow or Constantinople). Finally, the 381 version is the one we recite, in Greek, at every Divine Liturgy. For me it's neat to pray in the exact words my people have been using for almost 1700 years.

  • Were Early Churches Ruled by Elders or a Single Bishop?

    07/16/2015 8:07:30 AM PDT · 108 of 158
    Kolokotronis to xzins

    We have an anomolous situation here in No. America. Canonically, all Orthodox Churches in a diocese or metropolis should be part of one diocese/metropolis under one hierarch. The situation here because of immigration is uncanonical with various ethnic churches have their own overlapping dioceses. All of the Greek Orthodox parishes in Boston (and virtually all the rest of New England) are part of the Metropolis (diocese) Of Boston, the Russian ones are part of a Russian diocese, the Antiochians an Antiochian one, the Serbs another etc. etc. Each one, however, represents the fullness of The Church and the bishops/metropolitans are all in communion with each other. The proper canonical set up is one bishop per geographical area. We might get there someday.

  • Were Early Churches Ruled by Elders or a Single Bishop?

    07/16/2015 7:15:14 AM PDT · 104 of 158
    Kolokotronis to BlueDragon

    It’s a fallen world, BD. History and cultures do what they do in that fallen world. The hope is that we can all so die to the self that we can fulfill our created purpose to become like God. That’s why God became man. If we even come close to that purpose/state, fallen creation around us changes. In the Christian East, most especially in monasteries, there are examples of this even in today’s evil times.

  • Were Early Churches Ruled by Elders or a Single Bishop?

    07/16/2015 6:57:25 AM PDT · 102 of 158
    Kolokotronis to BlueDragon; Claud; xzins

    I agree that +Ignatius most certainly was not talking about a single, monarchial bishop, but rather bishops, plural. For us, +Ignatius is describing what became dioceses. We believe the fullness of The Church is found within a single diocese. The Latin view for some centuries now has been that the fullness of The Church is found only in the worldwide grouping of the dioceses in communion with the Bishop of Rome. In other words, for the Latins, the fullness of The Church is not found in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston but for the Orthodox it is found in the Greek Orthodox Metropolis of Boston.

    I wish I could say that this is a distiction without a difference, but I can’t.

  • Were Early Churches Ruled by Elders or a Single Bishop?

    07/16/2015 4:07:04 AM PDT · 95 of 158
    Kolokotronis to cookcounty
    "At that point, the church was drawing millions of illiterate believers...."

    In point of fact, the Hellenistic people of the Levant, and of course of Greece, were highly literate.

  • Were Early Churches Ruled by Elders or a Single Bishop?

    07/16/2015 3:18:45 AM PDT · 94 of 158
    Kolokotronis to RnMomof7

    “Actually the oldest known NT is in a Greek monastery”

    Yes; I know a monk from there. Here’s an interesting fact. The Monastery of St. Catherine at Sinai is a completely autocephalous Church, like the Church of Constantinople, Moscow, Antioch etc. It has a fascinating and very long history.

  • Were Early Churches Ruled by Elders or a Single Bishop?

    07/15/2015 4:18:45 PM PDT · 80 of 158
    Kolokotronis to RnMomof7

    Thank-you. So as you can see, it was GREEKS who determined the canon of scripture....

    The story behind Hebrews and Revelations being part of the Canon is an interesting one. Apparently it came about as part of a deal between the Latin Church and the Eastern, Greek speaking Churches, one for the other.

  • Were Early Churches Ruled by Elders or a Single Bishop?

    07/15/2015 4:07:34 PM PDT · 76 of 158
    Kolokotronis to RnMomof7

    Where did your list come from? The links don’t work.

  • Were Early Churches Ruled by Elders or a Single Bishop?

    07/15/2015 4:02:21 PM PDT · 75 of 158
    Kolokotronis to metmom
    "The Scripture was still in existance and they had that whether it had the Catholic church stamp of approval or not.

    Yup, hundreds of them. BTW, I'm not a Latin, but I most certainly am a member of the One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, as my family has been for at least 1800 years!

  • Were Early Churches Ruled by Elders or a Single Bishop?

    07/15/2015 3:07:10 PM PDT · 66 of 158
    Kolokotronis to RnMomof7; one Lord one faith one baptism; Elsie; metmom

    “Seeing the Church Fathers, had exactly the same scriptural base that we do today.”

    Oh, but that’s not true at all. One of the greatest Fathers, +Athanasius of Alexandria, was dead before the nearest canon to what you folks use was even established. Same goes for +Justin Martyr, +Ireneaus of Lyon. +Basil the Great, +Gregory of Nyssa, the later two dying within just a few years from the date of the Council of carthage. The list is longer, btw.

  • Were Early Churches Ruled by Elders or a Single Bishop?

    07/15/2015 2:53:23 PM PDT · 64 of 158
    Kolokotronis to one Lord one faith one baptism

    “The Latin speaking bishops at Carthage may have had something to do with setting the canon, but happily in those years the Latins and Greeks were one.”

    Indeed they did, though we always viewed that council at Carthage in 397 as a nice effort by our country cousins....except for the Revelations book. I hear we have a dusty copy of that one on a top shelf somewhere over at the church! :)

    It was nice to be One. Maybe we will be again soon. Next Year in Constantinople?!

  • Were Early Churches Ruled by Elders or a Single Bishop?

    07/15/2015 1:22:55 PM PDT · 53 of 158
    Kolokotronis to avenir

    “I find that boast appalling.”

    I’ll just bet you do! Did that Spirit teach you how to read Greek too? I asked the local Rev. Billy Bob Jeff, of blow dried hair fame, that question and he said it was his snake that taught him!