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Posts by Kolokotronis

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  • The Muslim population of America is expanding at warp speed

    01/27/2015 10:33:04 AM PST · 57 of 57
    Kolokotronis to xzins
    Probably something like ςςς.
  • Catholic Caucus: Why the Devil Hates the Blessed Virgin So Much (And Why You Should Love Her)

    01/27/2015 5:17:09 AM PST · 29 of 38
    Kolokotronis to Morgana; NYer; Salvation; Grateful2God; defconw
  • The Muslim population of America is expanding at warp speed

    01/24/2015 2:27:36 PM PST · 39 of 57
    Kolokotronis to WildHighlander57

    Obama has been a minor leaguer compared to most of his predecessors back to at least Kennedy when it comes to Mohammedan immigration. That welcome mat for Mohammedan demons has kept the American government’s best “friends” in especially Saudi Arabia and Turkey happy. In any event, virtually all the Christian refugees since WWII have been Eastern Christians who really don’t count ( as is plain here on FR) and so haven’t been allowed in in any numbers to this day!

  • The Muslim population of America is expanding at warp speed

    01/24/2015 2:21:46 PM PST · 38 of 57
    Kolokotronis to javie

    It is not the Greek number 666. What nonsense!

  • Turkish PM: If Europe persists in its ‘Holy Roman attitude’, it is over

    01/18/2015 2:08:12 PM PST · 54 of 61
    Kolokotronis to Olog-hai

    Why do I doubt you will?

  • Turkish PM: If Europe persists in its ‘Holy Roman attitude’, it is over

    01/18/2015 1:52:30 PM PST · 52 of 61
    Kolokotronis to Olog-hai

    “You seem paranoid about anti-Orthodox feeling on FR. I get no such sense of it, not even in the religion forum”

    How often do you see ANY Orthodox participation on the religion board anymore? You don’t. The sede vacantists, the bring your own snake crowd and those whose politics define their faith took care of that.

    “Well, how come the two you named (Nixon and Kissinger) are liberals?”

    Would you rather I tell you about the actions of Reagan regarding the Turkish dogs in Cyprus? That’s a real happy story!

  • Turkish PM: If Europe persists in its ‘Holy Roman attitude’, it is over

    01/18/2015 1:45:15 PM PST · 51 of 61
    Kolokotronis to Olog-hai

    “BTW, “American oil and gas interests”? That’s lib-speak. The main players there are the EU and Russia, frankly.”

    No, it’s a description of the paymasters of oh, say, Ted Cruz, one of the first to look the other way when it comes to Turkey. As for the main players, well Russia doesn’t want any gas developed in the Cypriot economic zone. The EU, of which Cyprus is a member, and Israel, a loyal partner and supporter of Cyprus, want Cyprus... not Turkey in conjunction with American gas and oil interests, to develop its off shore resources. Turkey has simply stated that it will drill wherever it wants off Cyprus...and the American right wing supports this.

    You really ought to dig into these matters before you descend into sloganeering. You look like you’re being used and it hurts your credibility.

  • Turkish PM: If Europe persists in its ‘Holy Roman attitude’, it is over

    01/18/2015 12:55:15 PM PST · 48 of 61
    Kolokotronis to Olog-hai

    “What’s with presuming what US conservatives think about the affair, besides?”

    I’m not presuming, I know! I’ve been dealing with “US conservatives” in Washington at both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue about this since 1974 and the present crop in Congress is the most pro-Turk, anti-Orthodox Christian I have ever seen, very much a reflection of many here on FR!

    And what it has to do with Erdogan and Davotoglu is that they both believe they have the support of the American congressional right wing, especially in their latest depredation, the invasion of Cyprus’ economic zone in the Med which is backed by American oil and gas interests.

  • Turkish PM: If Europe persists in its ‘Holy Roman attitude’, it is over

    01/18/2015 11:20:11 AM PST · 45 of 61
    Kolokotronis to Olog-hai

    No, I am talking about Nixon and that devil Kissinger encouraging the Turkish attack on and occupation of Cyprus. Aside from killing thousands of Orthodox Christians, they looted our churches and turned them into animal barns and public urinals. But hey, the American right wing, so well represented here on FR, don’t believe that we Orthodox are really Christians (our archbishops like Makarios are communists, right?)anyway so it was all just great, right?.

  • Turkish PM: If Europe persists in its ‘Holy Roman attitude’, it is over

    01/18/2015 4:48:47 AM PST · 35 of 61
    Kolokotronis to Olog-hai

    “He made no mention of the reasons for which a number of EU countries have blocked the talks, and never once mentioned Cyprus.”

    Of course not! Cyprus, mention Cyprus? That might remind everyone of the American right wing’s blessing of the rape of Orthodox Cyprus in 1974. The sooner this Turkish dog and his keeper, the demonic Erdogan, he of the 1000 room palace, get thrown on the scrap heap of history the better!

  • Muslims never guilty of 'terrorist massacres,' Turkey's Erdogan insists

    01/16/2015 2:31:26 PM PST · 15 of 32
    Kolokotronis to wtd

    Erdogan is the worst sort of Mohammedan dog!

  • Mexican Government To Issue Birth Certificates In The US, A Boon To Obama’s Executive Amnesty

    01/16/2015 11:52:51 AM PST · 26 of 27
    Kolokotronis to EQAndyBuzz

    “And I do care because they do belong here in the first place and this will be just another way to let them stay.”

    And having a Mexican, not American, birth certificate is a way “to let them stay” just how? This sort of argument hurts your cause.

  • Mexican Government To Issue Birth Certificates In The US, A Boon To Obama’s Executive Amnesty

    01/15/2015 4:39:06 PM PST · 23 of 27
    Kolokotronis to EQAndyBuzz

    What, pray tell, do you care if any kind of an alien gets a birth cert from his or her native consulate here?

    This sort of nonsense makes conservatives look ridiculous.

  • Mexican Government To Issue Birth Certificates In The US, A Boon To Obama’s Executive Amnesty

    01/15/2015 1:38:48 PM PST · 21 of 27
    Kolokotronis to EQAndyBuzz

    American children born in, say, Greece for example, can have birth certificates issued at the American embassy or a consulate. It has nothing to do with bogus papers.

  • Mexican Government To Issue Birth Certificates In The US, A Boon To Obama’s Executive Amnesty

    01/15/2015 12:24:25 PM PST · 18 of 27
    Kolokotronis to cotton1706

    We do the same thing! This is no big deal at all.

  • Seven killed in suicide bombing at Lebanese cafe

    01/10/2015 3:51:04 PM PST · 14 of 19
    Kolokotronis to livius

    Lebanon doesn’t have a king and queen. Jordan does, however....

  • Please Pray for a Brother Knight and his 20 year old Son

    01/07/2015 1:51:36 PM PST · 217 of 234
    Kolokotronis to infool7

    This is wonderful news. Please tell your friend that the opportunity to pray for his son and family was a blessing to all of us. When we pray for another, we die a little to the self and become a bit more like Christ.

  • Prayer request for my cousin David

    01/02/2015 3:02:22 PM PST · 30 of 86
    Kolokotronis to LonePalm

    O Lord our God, Who by word alone did heal all diseases, Who did cure the kinswoman of Peter, You Who chastise with pity and heal according to Your goodness; Who are able to put aside every malady and infirmity, do You Yourself, the same Lord, grant aid to this Your servant David and cure him of every sickness of which he is grieved; lift him up from his bed of pain, and send down upon him Your great mercy, and if it be Your Will, give to him health and a complete recovery; for You are the Physician of our souls and bodies, and to You do we send up Glory: to Father, and to Son, and to Holy Spirit, both now and ever, and to the ages of ages. Amen.

  • Catholics! Keep Your Trees Up!

    01/02/2015 5:01:44 AM PST · 15 of 181
    Kolokotronis to NYer
    Keep them up at least until the Epiphany (Jan. 6th).

    Today is the the Forefeast of the Epiphany. The final lines of both the Apolytikion and the Kontakion are rich with the true and ancient Theology of The Church, which is at odds with so much we have read here on FR of late.

    Apolytikion of the Forefeast:

    Make ready, O Zebulon, and prepare, O Nephtali, and thou, River Jordan, cease thy flow and receive with joy the Master coming to be baptized. And thou, Adam, rejoice with the first mother, Eve; hide not as ye did of old in Paradise; for having you naked, He appeared to clothe you with the first robe. Yea, Christ hath appeared desiring to renew the whole creation.

    Kontakion

    Today hath the Lord appeared in the courses of the Jordan, crying to John and saying: Be not dismayed at My Baptism; for I have verily come to save Adam, the first to be created.

  • Navy discriminated against Muslim over beard, suit says

    12/27/2014 3:58:15 PM PST · 80 of 109
    Kolokotronis to ansel12; mylife

    And just how old were you when Navy guys with beards were in harm’s way out East in Indo China? I did “stuff” out there (Laos) with a Sikh. One of the best men I ever knew; he went on to become a member of the RCMP and retired, covered with honors, about 17 years ago. He had a beard and a turban. neither stood in the way of what he or we had to do.

  • Beyond Goodbye: Are shared-death experiences real?

    12/27/2014 10:26:32 AM PST · 16 of 126
    Kolokotronis to KosmicKitty; NYer

    “{The day before my mother died, she turned to my father and said “I saw Yia-yia (my grandmother, her mother) last night and she said everything is going to okay.”

    The day my mother died, the priest “said the prayers” (you know the ones I mean) and soon thereafter mother saw her Yia-yia who had died 45 years earlier and had a conversation with her and the angels who were with her. I was there and mother was completely lucid. She4 died about 2 hours later.

    For those of you who are not Ort5hodox, this is frankly a common, though completely wonderful occurrence.

  • Catholic refugee relief opens hearts in Syria

    12/26/2014 2:22:17 PM PST · 3 of 5
    Kolokotronis to NYer
    God blesses their work! Here's what we are doing to help:

    http://www.iocc.org/countries/countries_syria.aspx

  • 2014 Nativity Pastoral Letter of His Beatitude John X, Patriarch of Antioch and All the East

    12/24/2014 2:38:55 PM PST · 3 of 3
    Kolokotronis to lightman
    Thank-you, my brother. Καλα Χριστουγεννα!
  • Do We All Believe in the Same God?

    12/24/2014 2:47:37 AM PST · 49 of 50
    Kolokotronis to ealgeone

    “There is not indefinite article in the Greek. “

    In fact there is, of a sort, but not in John 1:1.

  • Do We All Believe in the Same God?

    12/24/2014 2:43:17 AM PST · 48 of 50
    Kolokotronis to ealgeone
    "The actual reading would not include the "the" before God. I do not recall any instance where the ο is actually translated as "the" before God in the Greek."

    That is my point. The Greek word for "the" is not translated into English. But it is most certainly there in the original Greek. Can one conclude from that translation standard that the God of English speakers is different from the God of Greek speakers?

  • Do We All Believe in the Same God?

    12/23/2014 12:47:20 PM PST · 40 of 50
    Kolokotronis to Kolokotronis
    Sorry!

    "I said nothing about Greek. My information about “Al-lah” translating from Arabic to English as “the god” comes from an Iranian woman. When she speaks in English of the muslim deity, she says “the god”. Example: “I will see you tomorrow, if the god wills it”. I believe what she says, I am certain she knows more about that subject than I do."

    In Greek "Ο" means "the" "θεος" means "God", thus "the God", the same as in Arabic. The perceived problem is with the English translation, not the Arabic original. Someone reading the NT or the Septuagint in the original Greek would read, literally translated into English, "the God" (or "the god", capitals having no meaning in koine Greek).

    "That’s an odd, condescending comment."

    Condescending, yes; odd, in light of your comment, no.

  • Do We All Believe in the Same God?

    12/23/2014 12:43:53 PM PST · 39 of 50
    Kolokotronis to TexasRepublic
    "I said nothing about Greek. My information about “Al-lah” translating from Arabic to English as “the god” comes from an Iranian woman. When she speaks in English of the muslim deity, she says “the god”. Example: “I will see you tomorrow, if the god wills it”. I believe what she says, I am certain she knows more about that subject than I do." In Greek "Ο" means "the" "θεος" means "God", thus "the God", the same as in Arabic. The perceived problem is with the English translation, not the Arabic original. Someone reading the NT or the Septuagint in the original Greek would read, literally translated into English, "the God" (or "the god", capitals having no meaning in koine Greek). "That’s an odd, condescending comment." Condescending, yes; odd, in light of your comment, no.
  • Do We All Believe in the Same God?

    12/23/2014 12:34:32 PM PST · 38 of 50
    Kolokotronis to redleghunter

    Here’s a link to You Tube for the Divine Liturgy at St. George Antiochian church in Montreal. It’s where we worship when we are in Montreal. It’s a wonderful, loving parish with a fabulous priest. In this you will hear English, Greek, French & Arabic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RXTERGu0Do

  • Do We All Believe in the Same God?

    12/23/2014 11:07:17 AM PST · 34 of 50
    Kolokotronis to TexasRepublic
    ""Al-lah" translates to English as "the god"" So does Ο θεος, but trust me on this one, in English it means God, the One we worship. If your preacher knows Greek, ask him. Better yet, go to the nearest Antiochian Orthodox parish and ask the priest there, though I expect that as a Texan you wouldn't likely believe what some Arab Christian priest told you about his Faith. I mean, after all, what would he know?
  • Do We All Believe in the Same God?

    12/23/2014 8:30:27 AM PST · 20 of 50
    Kolokotronis to SeekAndFind
    "Allah" is the Arabic word for God. Go to any Antiochian Orthodox Christian Divine Liturgy and you will hear the word used time and again. Mohammedanism on the other hand, is a Judeo/Christian heresy and like all heresies, it is a bitter, deadly weed in Creation. The attributes of "Allah" as described by Mohammedanism are consequently false, demonic and ultimately deadly, but "Allah" is in fact the very God, Ο ΩΝ, whom we worship.
  • Hail, Mary! Tabernacle of God and the Word! (Catholic / Orthodox Caucus)

  • For Advent: The Meaning of Christmas: Look Deeper [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]

    12/21/2014 5:26:49 AM PST · 10 of 20
    Kolokotronis to Salvation; NYer; Tax-chick

    As I have gotten older, the role +Joseph played in the economy of salvation has become increasingly important to me.

    “Joseph, when He beheld the greatness of this wonder, thought that he beheld a mortal wrapped as a babe in swaddling clothes; but from all that come to pass he understood that He was the true God” Apostica of the Forefeast, Tone One

    +Ephraim, in Hymn 4 of his Hymns of the Nativity, wrote that +Joseph caressed the Son as a babe; he ministered to Him as God. He rejoiced in Him as the Good One, yet he was greatly bewildered and awestruck at Him as the Just One. The Hymns have +Joseph holding the Christ and thinking “Who hath given me the Son of the Most High to be a Son to me? I was jealous of Thy Mother, and I thought to put her away, and I knew not that in her womb was hidden a mighty treasure, that should suddenly enrich my poor estate. David the king sprang from my race, and wore the crown; and I have come to a very low estate, who instead of a king am a carpenter. Yet a crown hath come to me, for in my bosom is the Lord of crowns!

    +Romanos the Melodist in strophes 11 &12 of his Hymn on the Nativity, has Panagia explaining to the Magi, “I shall remind you, O magi, for what reason I have Joseph in my dwelling. It is for the refutation of all who doubt. He himself will tell what he heard about my child. For in his sleep he saw a holy angel who told him whence I conceived. A divine being, shining like fire, reassured him in the night and settled his thorny doubts. Therefore Joseph is with me to reveal that here is a young child, the pre-eternal God. Clearly he will report the things that he himself saw among the heavenly beings and mortals on earth—how the shepherds sang songs, and the shining ones sang with men of clay; how the star ran ahead of you to light your way and guide you.”

    Holy Righteous Joseph,
    Pray Unto God, For Us!

  • Hail, Mary! Tabernacle of God and the Word! (Catholic / Orthodox Caucus)

    12/20/2014 4:59:04 PM PST · 4 of 59
    Kolokotronis to NYer

    We chant the Akathist to the Mother of God Friday evenings during Great Lent:

    http://www.stsymeon.com/akathist.html

  • World War I in Photos: A Century Later

    12/20/2014 10:37:53 AM PST · 18 of 38
    Kolokotronis to NKP_Vet

    For my grandfather and my great uncles who barely survived the Great War. They lived decades with gas scarred lungs and carried pieces of German lead to their graves; they were my heroes and taught me to hate war! God Bless them; may their memories be eternal!

    DULCE ET DECORUM EST

    Wilfred Owen

    Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
    Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
    Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
    And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
    Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
    But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
    Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
    Of tired, outstripped Five-Nines that dropped behind.
    Gas! Gas! Quick, boys! – An ecstasy of fumbling,
    Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
    But someone still was yelling out and stumbling,
    And flound’ring like a man in fire or lime . . .
    Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light,
    As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
    In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
    He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
    If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
    Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
    And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
    His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
    If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
    Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
    Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
    Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,
    My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
    To children ardent for some desperate glory,
    The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est
    Pro patria mori.

  • Christmas in an Iraqi Refugee Camp: Moving Pictures Show Nativity Scene Set Up by Some of The...

    12/17/2014 8:12:00 AM PST · 8 of 9
    Kolokotronis to marshmallow

    Here’s a way to help. Please consider this!

    http://www.iocc.org/countries/countries_syria.aspx

  • The Past and Present of The Russian Orthodox Church Contain Some Valuable Lessons for Roman.....

    12/16/2014 3:54:16 PM PST · 4 of 6
    Kolokotronis to marshmallow

    WOW! Thank-you very much for this!

  • Don’t Forget to Worship God! A Call to Better Liturgy from an Unlikely Source

    12/16/2014 10:57:56 AM PST · 29 of 35
    Kolokotronis to chajin

    “I never metanoia that didn’t change me “

    :)

  • Don’t Forget to Worship God! A Call to Better Liturgy from an Unlikely Source

    12/16/2014 8:04:45 AM PST · 12 of 35
    Kolokotronis to defconw

    “I realize that the Orthodox and old order Latin pushers feel the need to express their superiority over us lowly Roman Rite Catholics,...”

    Usually I catch myself before playing the pharisee, but alas not this morning! If I were Russian I’d go kneel on beans for a couple of hours, but I’m Greek so I’ll just do a few metanoias and call it good! :)

    BTW, in our parish, until a few years ago, we called the sounds emanating from the choir loft “killing cats”. God however is merciful and my mother’s generation in the choir has gone on to the bosom of Abraham and has been replaced by a group of young folks (early 60s) whose voices are actually quite good!

  • Don’t Forget to Worship God! A Call to Better Liturgy from an Unlikely Source

    12/16/2014 7:43:59 AM PST · 7 of 35
    Kolokotronis to Salvation

    It’s a shame you folks so messed up what was a beautiful liturgy. You might want to take a look at our Divine Liturgy, which very early on the Latin Church used. In the 980s, Prince Vladimir of Kiev’s envoys went to the Liturgy in Constantinople and reported back:

    “Then we went on to Greece, and the Greeks led us to the edifices where they worship their God, and we knew not whether we were in heaven or on earth. For on earth there is no such splendor or such beauty, and we are at a loss how to describe it. We know only that God dwells there among men, and their service is fairer than the ceremonies of other nations. For we cannot forget that beauty. Every man, after tasting something sweet, is afterward unwilling to accept that which is bitter, and therefore we cannot dwell longer here.”

    Every Sunday in every Orthodox parish on earth, from the Cathedrals of Russia to the village churches here in America, we have the exact same liturgy.

  • Sorry, Fido. Pope Francis did NOT say our pets are going to heaven

    12/14/2014 5:05:47 AM PST · 74 of 92
    Kolokotronis to defconw

    Christ our True God, who loves mankind, look down with mercy and compassion upon every soldier who is facing a daily struggle with war, aggression and terrorism. Each one desires to live before You, and be ever protected by Your Right Hand. Preserve them, we humbly pray, and watch over them every given hour. Guide their steps, give wisdom and discernment to all who are in leadership, that Your will may prevail, and that they may return safely to their homes and loved ones.

    We beg You to hear the cry coming from our hearts, dear Lord Jesus Christ. We know that we are surrounded by many dangers. We are frightened as destruction; pain and death seem so near. We hurt with those who are hurting, and grieve with those who grieve, whether on the battlefield or in their homes.

    Draw us closer to You, we pray. Grant to us and to each soldier the desire to say as the Psalmist did, “I will say of the Lord, ‘He is my refuge and my fortress; My God, in Him I will trust.’ He shall cover you with His feathers, and under His wings you shall take refuge.” (Psalm 91)

    In Your righteousness forgive them as they continue in the defense of our beloved country. Watch over those whom they love, their wives, their children, relatives, and friends, as well as all civil authorities. May Your guiding Spirit be with those who govern us. Bless our country America, our allies, and all those who love freedom, peace, and good will among all men.

    May Your mercy be ever granted to us, for without fear but with love, humility, and obedience we to turn to You, that we may be strengthened, stand firm, and live.

    Through the prayers of our Holy Fathers, Lord Jesus Christ our God, have mercy on us and save us. Amen.

  • The Return of the Prayer to St. Michael

    12/13/2014 6:48:31 AM PST · 128 of 150
    Kolokotronis to Elsie

    :)

  • Leading Orthodox Theologian Hopes for 'Quick Progress' Toward Full Christian Unity

    12/12/2014 8:59:25 AM PST · 50 of 51
    Kolokotronis to piusv

    I in all honesty haven’t looked at our exchange as a debate or an argument. I was simply curious about your understanding.

    “Pre-Vatican II schismatics were not allowed to receive Catholic sacraments.”

    Latins still are not allowed to receive sacraments in the Orthodox Church precisely because they are schismatics, but not because they are not Catholic. It has been observed that the Latin Church these days looks at allowing me, for example, to receive communion as a “means towards unity” while we look at such reception by me, or you for that matter were it allowed by us, as a false symbol of a unity which does not yet exist.

  • Leading Orthodox Theologian Hopes for 'Quick Progress' Toward Full Christian Unity

    12/12/2014 6:37:13 AM PST · 48 of 51
    Kolokotronis to piusv

    “According to Catholic teaching, the Orthodox is in schism. I don’t expect you to agree.”

    Of course there’s a schism, and you folks are welcome back anytime....

    The foregoing notwithstanding, what does the schism have to do with who is or is not a member of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church? The fact that our bishops and your bishops are not in communion has nothing, from a theological stand point, to do with the validity of your sacraments or ours. Indeed, as I am informed, I am welcome to receive any sacrament from your priests. If I am not “Catholic”, how can that be?

  • Leading Orthodox Theologian Hopes for 'Quick Progress' Toward Full Christian Unity

    12/11/2014 2:42:48 PM PST · 44 of 51
    Kolokotronis to cloudmountain

    “It is wonderful to hear positive feedback from Orthdox Metropolitan Ioannis. I don’t think I’ve ever heard anything like that before from the East.”

    He and +BXVI are and have been close for years. He is the EP’s point man in the dialogs with the Church of Rome. I ahve been told by a member of the synod at Constantinople that he is also close to and re3spects +Francis, as do most Orthodox I know.

  • Leading Orthodox Theologian Hopes for 'Quick Progress' Toward Full Christian Unity

    12/11/2014 2:38:38 PM PST · 43 of 51
    Kolokotronis to piusv

    “Francis doesn’t speak the Truth and tell anyone they must be Catholic.”

    Why, pray tell, would anyone, Pope or otherwise, think it necessary to tell an Orthodox Christian, a member of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church (our term, by the way), that he or she must become a “Catholic”?

  • Leading Orthodox Theologian Hopes for 'Quick Progress' Toward Full Christian Unity

    12/11/2014 1:13:24 PM PST · 39 of 51
    Kolokotronis to Claud

    “I haven’t seen any Latin catechetical manual that does not have the filioque.”

    I don’t doubt it. Now that I think about it, the idea of using the ancient version for catechesis came out of a joint commission made up of hierarchs and theologians years ago, maybe in the early 90s, as a recommendation. I remember that when it happened, one of our hierarchs announced excitedly that they had solved the filioque problem and that reunion was imminent!

  • Leading Orthodox Theologian Hopes for 'Quick Progress' Toward Full Christian Unity

    12/11/2014 9:19:05 AM PST · 18 of 51
    Kolokotronis to Fester Chugabrew
    "What I am unable to ascertain, however, is how this pays out down the line in exercising faith and piety." For the average lay person, I doubt it has much effect at all in the exercise of The Faith. But then again, the Nestorian controversy, it was argued by some, was much ado about nothing, Christotokos, Theotokos; who cares? And yet the distinction touches on the very nature of the Son. Similarly, the distinction between the Greek "ἐκπορευόμενον" and the Latin "procédit" touches upon the "nature" (what can we say about "Ο ΩΝ"?) of The Father in our monotheistic system. Orthodox lay people are and always have been very prickly about these questions even if in fact saying in English "Proceeds from the Father" as opposed to "proceeds from the Father and the Son" likely won't determine our Theosis. We believe that we live out the dogmas of The Church in our day to day lives and so any change is almost immediately rejected unless it appears to be "of God" and that will only happen as a result of an Ecumenical Council.
  • Leading Orthodox Theologian Hopes for 'Quick Progress' Toward Full Christian Unity

    12/11/2014 7:19:20 AM PST · 8 of 51
    Kolokotronis to Fester Chugabrew

    The filioque denies the monarchy of the Father as the origin of everything, including existence itself. It changes the Church’s understanding, such as it is, of the very nature of God. To that extent it is heretical unless the 2 local Latin Councils which proclaimed it are in fact ecumenical councils, which Orthodoxy and so far as I know at least one Eastern Church in communion with Rome. hold. Many people understandably argue that it is too fine a theological point to stand in the way of a reunion, that the Laity simply doesn’t care or understand. Personally, I think that in the East that is demonstrably untrue and in the end it will be up to the Orthodox laity as to whether or not any reunion succeeds. You know, some Nestorians argued that the term Christotokos was as appropriate for Panagia as Theotokos, claiming the distinction between “Christ bearer” and “God bearer” was a distinction without a difference. We know what happened to the Nestorians.

    I don’t believe that Rome is overly wedded to the filioque. In fact, the normative form for the Creed when being used for catechesis or when prayed in Greek is without the filioque. That said, I simply don’t see this being overcome short of a new Ecumenical Council.

  • On Giving Communion to Pro-Abortion Politicians

    12/10/2014 11:34:03 AM PST · 16 of 27
    Kolokotronis to NYer

    Interesting article and interesting responses.

    Suppose the pro baby killing politician approaches for communion deeply remorseful for his or her sins? Here are prayers from +John Chrysostomos which we say before communion:

    “O Lord my God, I know that I am not worthy or sufficient that Thou shouldest come under the roof of the house of my soul, for all is desolate and fallen, and Thou hast not with me a place fit to lay Thy head. But as from the highest heaven Thou didst humble Thyself for our sake, so now conform Thyself to my humility. And as Thou didst consent to lie in a cave and in a manger of dumb beasts, so also consent to lie in the manger of my unspiritual soul and to enter my defiled body. And as Thou didst not disdain to enter and dine with sinners in the house of Simon the Leper, so consent also to enter the house of my humble soul which is leprous and sinful. And as Thou didst not reject the woman, who was a harlot and a sinner like me, when she approached and touched Thee, so also be compassionate with me, a sinner, as I approach and touch Thee, and let the live coal of Thy most holy Body and precious Blood be for the sanctification and enlightenment and strengthening of my humble soul and body, for a relief from the burden of my many sins, for a protection from all diabolical practices, for a restraint and a check on my evil and wicked way of life, for the mortification of passions, for the keeping of Thy commandments, for an increase of Thy divine grace, and for the advancement of Thy Kingdom. For it is not insolently that I draw near to Thee, O Christ my God, but as taking courage from Thy unspeakable goodness, and that I may not be long abstaining from Thy communion become a prey to the spiritual wolf. Therefore, I pray Thee, O Lord, Who alone art holy, sanctify my soul and body, my mind and heart, my emotions and affections, and wholly renew me. Root the fear of Thee in my members, and make Thy sanctification indelible in me. Be also my helper and defender, guide my life in peace, and make me worthy to stand on Thy right hand with Thy Saints: through the prayers and intercessions of Thy immaculate Mother, of Thy ministering Angels, of the immaculate Powers and of all the Saints who have ever been pleasing to Thee. Amen.”

    and

    “I am not worthy, O Lord and Master, that Thou shouldest enter under the roof of my soul; but since Thou in Thy love for men dost will to dwell in me, I take courage and approach. Thou commandest: I will open wide the doors which Thou alone didst create, that Thou mayest enter with love as is Thy nature, enter and enlighten my darkened thought. I believe that Thou wilt do this, for Thou didst not banish the Harlot who approached Thee with tears, nor didst Thou reject the Publican who repented, nor didst Thou drive away the Thief who acknowledged Thy Kingdom, nor didst Thou leave the repentant persecutor (Paul) to himself; but all who had been brought to Thee by repentance Thou didst set in the company of Thy friends, O Thou Who alone art blessed always, now and to endless ages. Amen.”

    and

    “Lord Jesus Christ my God, remit, forgive, absolve and pardon the sins, offences and transgressions which I, Thy sinful, useless and unworthy servant have committed from my youth, up to the present day and hour, whether with knowledge or in ignorance, whether by words or deeds or intentions or thoughts, and whether by habit or through any of my senses. And through the intercession of her who conceived Thee without seed, the immaculate and ever-Virgin Mary Thy Mother, my only sure hope and protection and salvation, make me worthy without condemnation to receive Thy pure, immortal, life-giving and dread Mysteries, for forgiveness of sins and for eternal life, for sanctification and enlightenment and strength and healing and health of soul and body, and for the blotting out and complete destruction of my evil reasonings and intentions and prejudices and nocturnal fantasies of dark evil spirits. For Thine is the Kingdom and the power and the glory and the honour and the worship, with the Father and the Holy Spirit, now and ever, and to the ages of ages. Amen”

    and finally

    “I believe, O Lord, and I confess that Thou art truly the Christ, the Son of the Living God, Who came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the chief. And I believe that this is Thy pure Body and Thy own precious Blood. Therefore, I pray Thee, have mercy on me and forgive my transgressions, voluntary and involuntary, in word and deed, known and unknown. And grant that I may partake of Thy Holy Mysteries without condemnation, for the remission of sins and for life eternal. Amen.”

    Apparently +John anticipated some pretty depraved sinners approaching the Cup.

  • Magical Thinking in the Orthodox Church

    12/10/2014 7:18:14 AM PST · 23 of 30
    Kolokotronis to redgolum

    “The issue that my bride ran into (and I think it is common on Catholicism) is that the laity have very limited recourse in situations like this.”

    That is one of the main, let us say practical, differences between Orthodox and Latin ecclesiology.