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    02/24/2018 10:21:18 AM PST · 230 of 256
    kabar to Clutch Martin
    And the training, and the plans, and the procedures, all failed because they did not follow procedures. That’s a systematic failure.

    It is not a systemic failure. It is a human failure. The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry. It is the same fallacy the liberals use when they think they can solve problems with legislation outlawing guns or other kinds of behavior. Just because you have plans and procedures don't mean that they will be executed as written. The human element is not always under control. As von Moltke said, "no plan of operations extends with any certainty beyond the first contact with the main hostile force."

    When you don’t change your oil in your car and your engine fails it doesn’t matter if a crankshaft or a piston shattered it means the entire system as a car is now broken because it cannot move forward. That is systemic failure.

    The car can be running with perfect efficiency, but an incompetent driver can run it into a ditch and render it inoperable. The four deputies that hid outside the school did not follow proper procedures. Peterson was suspended without pay for dereliction of duty. Who knows how many lives and injuries could have been avoided if someone other than this coward had been at the school?

  • Why Lindsey Vonn is one of the most astounding athletes of all time

    02/24/2018 7:39:49 AM PST · 12 of 57
    kabar to ichabod1

    All the medal winners will be invited. Vonn won a bronze.


    02/24/2018 6:31:51 AM PST · 222 of 256
    kabar to Clutch Martin
    Do you even know the meaning of the word systematically? It means everything as a whole, it means everything from A to Z.

    Systematic: Methodical in procedure or plan.

    it failed when The FBI didn’t respond to a nine-one-one call, it failed on several other notable occasions that are being brought out by various sources.

    There were procedures and plans in place. The persons involved did not follow the required protocols. It was more of a case of human failure than procedures and plans. The FBI had a tip line, but the person receiving the tips never sent them to the Miami field office. The signs were all there.

    Remember this 9/11, might have been averted if somebody would have listened to a loan field agent who had obtained intelligence that foreign Nationals were training to fly heavy Jets. The FBI knew about it and took no action to investigate it. The result - the Twin Towers came down. This is on a much smaller scale but it’s a tragedy none the less

    We had a commission on 9/11 that identified all the failures. It was not as simple as you pretend. The point is that no matter how detailed and all-encompassing the plan, ultimately the responsibility falls on the people implementing those plans. In the case of this shooting, it was more of a human failure than a lack of procedures and plans. The people involved did not follow the plan or the procedures.


    02/23/2018 7:38:35 PM PST · 92 of 256
    kabar to Clutch Martin
    As I have said and read in other posts along the same lines as this subject, the failure is systemic and it starts with making the target as hard as possible. That is where the failure occurred. The rest is just tragedy because the failure occurred Systemically.

    Gibberish. This isn't a systemic problem. It is a failure of one or four trained, paid police officers to do their job. If you include armed security personnel as being part of making the target as hard as possible, then you assume the security personnel will do their job like the DC Capitol police did during the Scalise shooting.

    There is no excuse for the four law enforcement officers who were derelict in their duty. Systems don't overcome cowardice.

  • Jessie Diggins Selected As U.S. Flag Bearer for Closing Ceremony

    02/23/2018 2:49:04 PM PST · 12 of 29
    kabar to Eurotwit

    Fantastic race. All things considered, Diggins and her partner, had the most impressive American victory in the Olympics.

  • Douglas school cop who ‘never went in’ during shooting has resigned

    02/23/2018 12:46:42 PM PST · 241 of 244
    kabar to Mariner

    USN SERE Whidbey Island.

  • Douglas school cop who ‘never went in’ during shooting has resigned

    02/23/2018 12:08:24 PM PST · 239 of 244
    kabar to Mariner
    When I was in SERE school they spent a full half day on the Code of Conduct and encouraged us all to follow it to the best of our abilities. Insisted even. Then they set about to cause every man to violate it. And succeeded.

    When I underwent SERE training prior to going to Vietnam, we only had a few who were broken. I wasn't one of them.

  • Douglas school cop who ‘never went in’ during shooting has resigned

    02/23/2018 11:30:12 AM PST · 237 of 244
    kabar to Mariner

    What branch of service? Did you serve in a combat zone? Have you ever been shot at?

  • Deputy who didn’t stop Florida shooting thinks he ‘did a good job’

    02/23/2018 9:23:43 AM PST · 260 of 380
    kabar to Tilted Irish Kilt
    At the time of the arrest, the 'perp' was still wearing his maroon tee shirt and black jeans; so SRO Scott Peterson's description of the 'perp' was accurate, and ultimately led to the 'perp's arrest.

    The same information could just as easily been provided by the students. If he got that description by actually seeing the perp firsthand, what actions did he take to pursue him?

    He set up a perimiter, because as in the case of the Orlando 'Pulse' shooting, the 'perp' was shot and killed as he was exiting the building, while trying to take out other victims.

    Are you using the Pulse nightclub as an example of good policing? WTF? Orlando nightclub shooting timeline: Four hours of terror unfold

    The police screwed up royally costing many more lives. ‘They took too damn long’: Inside the police response to the Orlando shooting.

    When Omar Mateen finished pumping bullets into dozens of people sprawled on the dance floor inside the Pulse nightclub on June 12, he walked toward the bathrooms, where many patrons had hidden. It was just minutes after Orlando police were called about the gunfire, and law enforcement officers began descending on the club.

    Four of them entered the building through one patio, while six others shot out a window to get inside. Among the 10 officers who went into Pulse, some had powerful military-style rifles and one had a shield. At least two had tactical experience.

    Police fired at Mateen when he popped his head out of one of the bathrooms. The shooter was outgunned and outnumbered.

    But then, police decided not to pursue him.

    This account, based on interviews with law enforcement officials and witnesses, as well as public records, provides the most complete picture yet of the law enforcement response and Mateen’s movements inside the club on the night of the attack.

    The new details raise questions about how police and fire agencies responded to what became the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history — and how the attack turned into a hostage standoff that lasted nearly three hours.

    The decision not to follow Mateen into the bathroom proved critical. Because Mateen was not subdued or killed sooner, wounded victims remained trapped inside the bathroom for hours, pleading for the police to rescue them. Emergency medical personnel did not enter the club to treat victims, because it was deemed too dangerous. And during the final standoff, in which police initially failed to breach the club wall and struggled to make entry, Mateen apparently shot more people, according to witnesses.

    At least five people who were alive in the bathrooms when the standoff began ultimately died at the club, witnesses and relatives said. Three of these people — Deonka Deidra Drayton, Eddie Justice and Alejandro Barrios Martinez — sent text messages from inside the club’s bathrooms and were later among the dead.

  • Police officers guard home of deputy assigned to Florida HS who

    02/23/2018 6:52:05 AM PST · 41 of 109
    kabar to DOC44

    Will anyone on the detail place their life on the line to defend this POS when the shooting starts? Peterson is now a private citizen. He gets special treatment.

  • Douglas school cop who ‘never went in’ during shooting has resigned

    02/22/2018 8:13:59 PM PST · 206 of 244
    kabar to Mariner

    Code of Conduct
    Members of the United States Armed Forces


    I am an American, fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.


    I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command, I will never surrender the members of my command while they still have the means to resist.


    If I am captured I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy.


    If I become a prisoner of war, I will keep faith with my fellow prisoners. I will give no information or take part in any action which might be harmful to my comrades. If I am senior, I will take command. If not, I will obey the lawful orders of those appointed over me and will back them up in every way.


    When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am required to give name, rank, service number and date of birth. I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause.


    I will never forget that I am an American, fighting for freedom, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States of America.

  • Douglas school cop who ‘never went in’ during shooting has resigned

    02/22/2018 8:05:53 PM PST · 202 of 244
    kabar to Mariner

    Soldier’s Creed

    I am an American Soldier.

    I am a warrior and a member of a team.

    I serve the people of the United States, and live the Army Values.

    I will always place the mission first.

    I will never accept defeat.

    I will never quit.

    I will never leave a fallen comrade.

    I am disciplined, physically and mentally tough, trained and proficient in my warrior tasks and drills.

    I always maintain my arms, my equipment and myself.

    I am an expert and I am a professional.

    I stand ready to deploy, engage, and destroy, the enemies of the United States of America in close combat.

    I am a guardian of freedom and the American way of life.

    I am an American Soldier.

  • Douglas school cop who ‘never went in’ during shooting has resigned

    02/22/2018 7:52:29 PM PST · 196 of 244
    kabar to Mariner
    The US Army would not expect that in a combat zone. A single soldier with a 9mm against another single soldier with an AR-15 or defend children. The Army would tell him to save himself.

    Have you ever served in the military? You don't know sh*t from shinola.

  • Douglas school cop who ‘never went in’ during shooting has resigned

    02/22/2018 7:49:51 PM PST · 194 of 244
    kabar to Mariner
    9mm vs Ar-15 Suicide. But at least you would have died valiantly. Certainly dead, nevertheless.

    Stupid comment. It is not a battle of guns, but of combatants. Who has the experience and training? Who has the element of surprise? Was Cruz willing to fight to the death? He threw away his gun and pretended to be a student, which is how he escaped from the school. What would have been his response if someone started firing back at him?

    We will never know the answers because someone who was trained and paid to defend the school and the children ran away. There is no defending such cowardice. There needs to be consequences. I have no pity for him.

  • Douglas school cop who ‘never went in’ during shooting has resigned

    02/22/2018 7:32:55 PM PST · 185 of 244
    kabar to FourtySeven
    Maybe someone who has been in such a situation can judge him rightfully, but I don’t think I can. It’s certainly sad, that’s for sure. I’m sure he feels pretty devastated about it too.

    Compare that to the actions of the DC cops during the Scalise shooting.

  • Douglas school cop who ‘never went in’ during shooting has resigned

    02/22/2018 7:29:09 PM PST · 183 of 244
    kabar to MilesVeritatis

    The Sheriff says they may never disclose the video. WTF?

  • John McCain Associate Pleads the Fifth in Russia Dossier Probe

    02/22/2018 3:58:40 PM PST · 23 of 35
    kabar to Dogfaced Soldier
    Yet Kramer gave a videotaped deposition last December in separate civil litigation against BuzzFeed about the dossier and his contact with the former British spy who compiled it, Christopher Steele. Steele was hired by opposition research firm Fusion GPS to write and research the dossier, with funding from the Democratic National Committee and Clinton campaign.

    According to British court records obtained by Fox News as part of its ongoing investigation of the Trump dossier, Kramer was personally briefed in late November 2016 by Steele in Surrey, England. After that briefing, Steele told the British court that an arrangement was made so that Fusion GPS — co-founded by Glenn Simpson – would provide hard copies of the dossier to McCain via Kramer. Shortly afterward, the dossier was given to the FBI, which already had its own copy from Steele.

  • John McCain Associate Pleads the Fifth in Russia Dossier Probe

    02/22/2018 3:56:03 PM PST · 22 of 35
    kabar to Rusty0604

    Big deal.

  • Mueller hits Manafort, Gates with new charges

    02/22/2018 3:52:10 PM PST · 17 of 24
    kabar to heterosupremacist

    Mueller is pissed because Manafort did not cop a plea and pleaded innocent. This is just another distraction by Mueller to create the impression that his investigation is worth the money and time. It just shows how far off it is from the original reason the special counsel was appointed.

  • Republican Congressman Calls for Raising Minimum Age to Buy AR-15s [Carlos Curbelo]

    02/21/2018 12:17:51 PM PST · 59 of 59
    kabar to rivercat