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Posts by kabar

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  • Viral Conservative YouTube Star Renounces Conservatism

    12/01/2015 12:33:31 PM PST · 17 of 69
    kabar to T-Bird45

    Peer pressure.

  • 'Unprecedented': What ISIS Looks Like In America (NPR)

    12/01/2015 12:31:03 PM PST · 29 of 57
    kabar to Drango

    Correlation between immigrant populations and where the immigrants come from.

  • Are Trump and Putin Right?

    12/01/2015 12:09:33 PM PST · 3 of 9
    kabar to Fhios

    Pat has always been doing solid work and critical thinking. By and large, he has been right whether it is immigration or power politics.

  • Obama Speaking in Paris: Mass Shootings ‘Don’t Happen in Other Countries’

    12/01/2015 8:14:06 AM PST · 67 of 124
    kabar to M Kehoe

    Iraq and Syria.

  • Steve Doocy (Fox & Friends -11/30) said he saw Muslims celebrating on television

    12/01/2015 8:10:59 AM PST · 106 of 112
    kabar to semimojo
    The MSM is hung up on trying to destroy Trump. John Hinderaker of Powerline had this exchange of tweets with Glenn Kessler, the WP fact checker, who gave Trump four Pinocchios for his remarks on the celebrations. It clearly shows there is a MSM agenda as surrogates for the Dems to attack Trump, even if it means lying and distortion. Note: Hinderaker is not a big supporter of Trump.

    Washington Post’s Fact Checker Doesn’t Read the Washington Post

    Please. Trump is one of the most adept and sophisticated manipulators of the media we've seen. He knows exactly what he's doing. He's keeping the discussion about him.

    Give me a break. Trump is not behind the MSM's obsession with his remarks on 9/11 Muslim celebrations. The MSM, the Dems, and some of Trump's GOP opponents think they have an issue that can take Trump down. It fits their narrative of Trump as a bigot, racist, and xenophobe. The fact that Muslims vote 80% Dem plays a role in the manufactured controversy.

  • Steve Doocy (Fox & Friends -11/30) said he saw Muslims celebrating on television

    12/01/2015 7:42:07 AM PST · 104 of 112
    kabar to semimojo
    Unfortunately, this stubborn refusal to admit to obvious hyperbole keeps the conversation from ever getting there.

    Give me a break. This is the old MSM and leftist technique of getting their target to apologize or admit a mistake and then extrapolate from there. The dispute over the numbers is a distraction created by the media to avoid any real discussion of Muslims in America. Poll after poll show in the US, UK, France, and many other Western countries that Muslims have strongly held views based on their religion that run counter to our values and the rule of law.

    The Alinsky tactics are having a problem with Trump. These three rules don't seem to be working:

    5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.

    8. “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.

    13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster th an institutions.

    Instead of people talking about Trump's underlying point his petulance keeps everyone hung up on "thousands" and "Jersey City".

    LOL. Who is everyone? Trump's enemies are seizing on it to make it a "gotcha" question. It is a purposeful distraction from the real issue of how realistic is it to expect assimilation of Muslims into Judeo-Christian nations.

    Trump is not the one preventing this discussion. It is the political class that constantly states that we are not at war with Islam and those attacking us are not real Muslims. Bush 43 did it after 9/11 and Obama and Hillary and the other Dem candidates cannot even say radical Islam, something the UK's Cameron and France's Hollande have no problem saying. Political correctness is preventing this discussion, not Donald Trump.

    The Donald is saying many political incorrect things. He is the first one of either party to point out the American victims of criminal alien crime. There are millions of Americans who have suffered, but the MSM and the political class would rather focus on those "living in the shadows" and separated families. With 60,000 criminal aliens in federal prisons and another 300,000 in state and local jails, one would think that some politician would defend American citizens and make it a political issue. The reason for not doing so is similar to not mentioning militant Islam.

    By the way, don't be surprised if Trump comes up with some more information on these 9/11 celebrations that may shock some people. Knowing Trump, he will counterattack.

  • Steve Doocy (Fox & Friends -11/30) said he saw Muslims celebrating on television

    11/30/2015 10:09:25 PM PST · 92 of 112
    kabar to semimojo
    I honestly don't think Trump's mis-speaking, either from faulty memory or exaggeration, matters much one way or the other. What I find fascinating is the contortions Trump and his supporters put themselves through trying to deny the obvious.

    The obvious and documented truth is that there were celebrations by Muslims in NJ over 9/11. It is the MSM that is denying that any of it happened. Why would the NY Post delete from its online archives this story?

    Those with TDS will try to make an issue of everything Trump says, trying to pick it a part for the slightest flaw or hyperbole. In the meantime, we have a President and Hillary lying outright about undisputed facts whether it is about Obamacare or Benghazi. If the liberals and those with TDS didn't have double standards, they would have no standards at all.

    Trump's heresy is saying that American Muslims celebrated the incineration of thousands of their fellow citizens at the hands of radical Muslims. It is true, but we must now quibble about the numbers. The public must be kept in the dark by their political betters so that they can be more easily manipulated. We still have not seen the redacted portions of the 9/11 Commission Report describing the evacuation of Saudi nationals from the US days after 9/11. From the article I linked to you:

    People whom I trust told me that they witnessed the celebrations. None agreed to be named here. They know that speaking this truth in public sets them up for attack. One witness is my former student. He is an Italian-American, an A student who attended class regularly and handed in assignments on time. He is a responsible adult who worked during the day and took courses at night. Almost a decade ago, during a long conversation that touched on many topics, he told me of the celebration he witnessed. He named the location, the public library on Main Avenue.

    Another witness was a prominent figure in Democratic politics, in which I used to participate. His account was similar to my student's account. The two men don't know each other. A third witness permits me to quote her here. "I stopped for gas in Belleville immediately after the second fall and there were two men in the station cheering at the TV coverage as if they were watching the Super Bowl and their team was winning." I have known this woman for years. I have to rely on her in financial and other matters. She has never lied to me.

    That conversation has yet fully to emerge. We are still too afraid of saying politically incorrect things. This censorship isn't just a bad thing for non-Muslims. It's a bad thing for Muslims as well. Those who witnessed the 9-11 celebrations, their friends and loved ones see much effort being exerted to smear and silence them, and to negate the historically important truth they speak. This silencing will only increase resentment against Muslims. An open and free public conversation will serve everyone's best interests.

    What we need is frank speech. We need to talk to our Muslim fellow citizens about why some of them celebrated on 9-11. And we need to – through speech – convince those who celebrated 9-11 that they are mistaken. The day that we do so will be a good day. We delay that day by denying that these celebrations ever happened.

  • Steve Doocy (Fox & Friends -11/30) said he saw Muslims celebrating on television

    11/30/2015 11:38:53 AM PST · 88 of 112
    kabar to semimojo
    Perhaps, but the claim was that he saw thousands of Muslims celebrating in Jersey City.

    Exaggeration or no celebrations at all? Did you read the article I linked to you? Do hundreds of witnesses constitute a fabrication? There were contemporaneous articles in the MSM (including the WP) mentioning the celebrations on the rooftops comparing them to tailgate parties. Is the number the issue or the fact that the celebrations took place?

    How many people do you think have to be in on the conspiracy to "scrub" all clips from the various TV station archives, YouTube, etc? I'd say it has to be well into the thousands, all rallied and coordinated within a day after Trump made the claim.

    There were news reports at the time mentioning the celebrations. There were clips showing the celebrations overseas. There may be some in the US that have yet to be unearthed. No doubt, the MSM would like to keep them quiet the same way the LA Times never released the video it had of Obama cavorting with a radical Palestinian professor.

    Occam's Razor suggests that when numerous people, using their first and last names in a public forum, and providing concrete details that can be checked, all provide similar accounts of public behavior, chances are they are telling the truth. It is possible that all of these people, as Kim LaCapria suggests, are suffering from false memory syndrome, or are all attempting to whip up murderous hatred against Muslims, as Benjamin Wittes accuses, but neither LaCapria nor Wittes provides any support for their smears.

    Cui bono directs us to consider "who benefits" from a statement. New Jersey has one of the largest Muslim populations in the US, after Michigan. New Jersey's Muslim population constitutes the second highest, by percent, in the US, after Illinois and above Michigan. New Jersey Muslims wield political clout. Note Republican Governor Chris Christie's nomination of Sohail Mohammed for the New Jersey Superior Court in spite of intense pressure, and Christie's dismissal as "crap" any concerns that New Jerseyans might have about sharia law. Note also that a New Jersey judge ruled that a Muslim man had the basis to beat, torture, and rape his 17-year-old wife because he believed that Islam granted him this right. Muslim political clout may explain why so many empowered voices insist that the 9-11 celebrations never happened. Too, no decent New Jerseyan wanted to see retaliatory attacks against Muslims in our state. Many speculate, and some report as fact, that police, journalists and local officials downplayed or denied Muslim celebrations to protect Muslims from retaliatory attacks. In contrast, those who insist that they witnessed Muslim celebrations have nothing to gain by making these statements publicly, and everything to lose. First, many of those speaking out now have no public record of making these statements previous to this controversy. They saw what they saw and they kept it to themselves, or told only those closest to them, for the past fourteen years. It is only the attempt to expunge this historical fact from public memory, and to smear and disgrace anyone who speaks this truth, that caused witnesses to come forward. They are average New Jerseyans simply telling the truth in the face of a wave of censorship and demonization that could cost them their friends or their jobs.

    Are accounts of Muslims in New Jersey celebrating 9-11 consistent with other verified data? Indeed they are.

    Palestinians make up a large percentage of Paterson's Muslim population, so much so that the neighborhood where the 9-11 celebration is alleged to have taken place is sometimes nicknamed "Little Ramallah." Local businesses are often named for Palestinian landmarks, for example the Al-Quds restaurant, Al-Quds Halal meat and the Al-Quds bakery. Paterson has a large Hispanic population; there are businesses with the provocative and irredentist name of El Andalus Discount Store and Andalus Islamic Fashion. Paterson Palestinians are not shy about expressing their opposition to Israel, see here. Indeed, Paterson's City Hall famously flew the Palestinian flag. One Paterson resident, Moneer Simreen, is quoted referring to Palestine, not the US, as "our country." Americans, Tariq Elsamma said, "need to obey our needs because we are a large community." Paterson's mayor, Jose Torres, wore a kaffiyeh and supported making Ramallah Paterson's sister city.

    Even those who deny that any American Muslims celebrated 9-11 acknowledge that Palestinians overseas did celebrate the attacks. Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza are familially related to Palestinians in Paterson.

    Further, polling data indicate that there is not inconsiderable support for terror among some Muslims, with support varying by group. In a 2005 FAFO Foundation poll, a significant percentage of Palestinian respondents supported "Al Qaeda's actions like bombings in USA and Europe." A 2013 Pew Poll found that 40% of Palestinians support suicide bombing in defense of Islam. In the same poll, only one percent of Muslims in Azerbaijan voiced support for suicide bombing.

    Finally, we know that six of the 9-11 hijackers lived in Paterson, NJ, and they used the computers of a nearby campus in planning their attacks.

  • Steve Doocy (Fox & Friends -11/30) said he saw Muslims celebrating on television

    11/30/2015 7:54:39 AM PST · 37 of 112
    kabar to semimojo
    Here is a good article that came out today on the controversy. Did New Jersey Muslims Celebrate on 9/11? The facts and the eyewitness.

    There is no doubt that the USG and the MSM want to engage in revisionist history on this issue. At the time, there was great concern about reprisals against Muslims in the US. So reports of any celebrations had to be either suppressed or discounted. Currently, the flood of Muslim refugees into the US also demands some revisionist history to support the narrative that they are no threat to America and that they will be assimilated and be good Americans. The same kind of MSM self-censorship is being exercised in covering Somali refugees in MN. Or FT Hood. Or the Boston Marathon bombings ad infinitum.

    Anyone who opposes the narrative is a racist and un-American.

  • Oil Plunge Raises Fears of Societal Unrest

    11/30/2015 7:25:18 AM PST · 6 of 19
    kabar to John W

    I can only smile when I hear this. I can recall how Sarah Palin was pummeled a number of years ago by the MSM for saying that we could have $2 gas again.

  • Russian MP: Turkey to Return Hagia Sophia to Greece as Friendly Gesture

    11/30/2015 7:22:28 AM PST · 14 of 22
    kabar to TigerLikesRooster

    Why not toss in North Cyprus to this fantasy?

  • Putin orders sanctions against Turkey over jet downing (Erdogan wishes it had not happened.)

    11/30/2015 6:58:48 AM PST · 66 of 67
    kabar to AndyJackson
    Glad you enjoyed it. From the same article:

    NATO held an emergency meeting in Brussels of ambassadors from its 28 member states to respond to what Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg called “unacceptable violations of Turkish airspace” after a Russian jet crossed its frontier with Syria on Saturday.

    A Russian warplane again violated Turkish airspace on Sunday, a Turkish foreign ministry official said late on Monday, prompting Ankara to summon Moscow’s ambassador.

    It had done the same following Saturday’s violation, and said Russia would be held “responsible for any undesired incident that may occur” if it were repeated.

    NATO members “strongly protest” and “condemn” incursions into Turkish and NATO territory, the alliance said after the first incursion was reported.

    “Allies also note the extreme danger of such irresponsible behaviour. They call on the Russian Federation to cease and desist, and immediately explain these violations,” NATO said in a statement after the meeting.

    Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said he had been told by Russia that the violation was a “mistake” that would not happen again.

    “Turkey’s rules of engagement apply to all planes, be they Syrian, Russian or from elsewhere … Necessary steps would be taken against whoever violates Turkey’s borders, even if it’s a bird,” he said on HaberTurk TV.

    The potential confrontation comes at a time when relations between Russia and the West are at their worst since the Cold War, with the United States and European Union having imposed financial sanctions on Moscow over its intervention in Ukraine.

    Over the past year, NATO has repeatedly accused Moscow of sending planes to violate the airspace of the alliance’s member countries in Europe.

  • Putin orders sanctions against Turkey over jet downing (Erdogan wishes it had not happened.)

    11/29/2015 9:25:35 PM PST · 63 of 67
    kabar to WENDLE
    In the first place , turkey shot down and Russian Jet INSIDE SYRIA!!! Huge Error for which they will piss blood.

    The Russian jet violated Turkish airspace period, You can get shot down period. This was not the first time that the Russians violated Turkish airspace. The Russian ambassador in Ankara was call in on two successive days prior to the shoot down warning them of dire consequences if they continued to violate Turkish airspace. Here is the Reuter's story written prior to the shoot down.

    Second— READ ARTICLE 5!!! It absolutely does NOT apply to the Middle East “members” to hell with them!! If YOU want to go— get it on!! But not me or my country!!

    LOL. It applies to all members without exception. Turkey has been a member of NATO since 1952, longer than Germany. FYI: part of Turkey is in Europe, e.g., Istanbul. Here is Article 5 of the NATO Charter:

    Article 5

    The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

    Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.

  • James Bennett column: Trump vs. Cruz

    11/29/2015 1:50:21 PM PST · 50 of 81
    kabar to x
    Pure conjecture. Trump has been leading the polls for six months approaching 30% in a 16 person field. Trump has more crossover appeal than any of the Reps. His base is solid. No one has yet approached Trump's "ceiling" or floor for that matter. As candidates drop out, where will the support go?

    Rubio was part of the Gang of 8 bills pushing the Rubio-Schumer amnesty bill. He is a tool of the Chamber of Commerce pushing increased H-1B visas. If he is the nominee, I certainly will not vote for him.

  • James Bennett column: Trump vs. Cruz

    11/29/2015 1:37:07 PM PST · 46 of 81
    kabar to x
    Trump has some very devoted fans, but a low ceiling -- there are a lot of people who just are never going to like him or vote for him.

    Who has a higher ceiling?

  • Putin orders sanctions against Turkey over jet downing (Erdogan wishes it had not happened.)

    11/29/2015 11:40:31 AM PST · 59 of 67
    kabar to odds

    The Russians will build the pipeline thru Turkey to get gas to Europe and they have already spent $3 billion building the nuclear plant in Turkey. Iran is an example of how politics are put aside in order to make a buck.

  • Putin orders sanctions against Turkey over jet downing (Erdogan wishes it had not happened.)

    11/29/2015 11:38:34 AM PST · 58 of 67
    kabar to Jim from C-Town
    Clinton is more likely to do time in prison than in the White House.

    If only that were true. Do you think Obama and DOJ would prosecute the Dem nominee for President? If so, you need to get better informed.

  • Putin orders sanctions against Turkey over jet downing (Erdogan wishes it had not happened.)

    11/29/2015 9:21:20 AM PST · 55 of 67
    kabar to Jim from C-Town

    I am better informed than you are. Obama is in office until January 20, 2017. And the odds are that Hillary Clinton will replace him. Demography is destiny.

  • Putin orders sanctions against Turkey over jet downing (Erdogan wishes it had not happened.)

    11/29/2015 8:57:03 AM PST · 53 of 67
    kabar to Jim from C-Town

    It is all significant. You can’t change it.

  • An Exasperated Chuck Todd Grills Trump: 'You're Running for President! Your Words Matter!'

    11/29/2015 8:46:44 AM PST · 53 of 112
    kabar to jimbo123
  • Putin orders sanctions against Turkey over jet downing (Erdogan wishes it had not happened.)

    11/29/2015 8:26:28 AM PST · 51 of 67
    kabar to Jim from C-Town
    Putin has the high ground because he is not a coward like Obama, your boy crush.

    I despise Obama. He has committed several impeachable offenses. I am an American. I don't take any pleasure in Putin besting Obama. Why do you create this strawman? Why is being against Putin mean that I am an Obama fan?

    NATO will do nothing more than saber rattle, if that, for Turkey. The NATO denouncement meant nothing as it had no teeth. Putin doesn't feel threatened by being called a ‘bad boy’ and having a gnarled finger waived into his face. He can rule Europe through the gas pipe.It is December and getting quite cold in Western Europe.A pipeline problem would make Germany and Europe a very cold place.

    Nothing significant is going to come of it. It will fade away. Putin is just playing to his domestic audience.

    You can continue with your mindless rantings. They will change nothing.

  • Putin orders sanctions against Turkey over jet downing (Erdogan wishes it had not happened.)

    11/29/2015 8:20:53 AM PST · 50 of 67
    kabar to AndyJackson

    Vietnam: We did shoot at one another. Berlin: Arthur D. Nicholson. Over a dozen US military planes were shot down by the Soviets. There was plenty of loss of life in the Cold War starting with Korea.

  • Putin orders sanctions against Turkey over jet downing (Erdogan wishes it had not happened.)

    11/29/2015 7:39:44 AM PST · 45 of 67
    kabar to AndyJackson

    I was actually involved in the Cold War, not from an armchair. A leopard never changes its spots. Putin is the real relic of the Cold War who would like to return to the good old days of the Soviet Union and its hegemony over Eastern Europe. Why do you think all those Warsaw Pact countries clamored to get into NATO after the fall of the Soviet Union?

  • Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 29 November 2015

    11/29/2015 7:18:28 AM PST · 90 of 216
    kabar to rodguy911

    I can recall our sanctioning of Saddam sending oil to Jordan despite the sanctions. The USG made all kinds of exemptions for our allies in the region.

    Whatever the motivation for shooting down the Russian plane, the Turks had called in the Russian ambassador in Ankara for two successive days prior to the shoot down warning about the consequences of their repeated violations of their airspace. From a Reuters news release prior to the downing of the plane.

    NATO denounces Russian incursion into Turkish airspace

    Erdogan is not a good guy. He is leading Turkey down the path of Islamic fundamentalism.

  • Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 29 November 2015

    11/29/2015 7:11:47 AM PST · 82 of 216
    kabar to calisurfer

    Yes, Rove is supporting Carson to take down Trump. Not going to work.

  • Putin orders sanctions against Turkey over jet downing (Erdogan wishes it had not happened.)

    11/29/2015 7:10:34 AM PST · 43 of 67
    kabar to Flavious_Maximus
    Putin, will have Russian jets continually cross Turk airspace on purpose while daring them to do something about it. Putin is going to kick sand in Erdogans face and make him like it.

    Not going to happen. And if it did, you would never hear anything about it. Turkey would never admit someone was repeatedly violating its airspace and Russia would never say it was repeatedly and intentionally violating Turkish airspace violating international law.

  • Putin orders sanctions against Turkey over jet downing (Erdogan wishes it had not happened.)

    11/29/2015 7:07:15 AM PST · 41 of 67
    kabar to Freelance Warrior

    Very doubtful.

  • Putin orders sanctions against Turkey over jet downing (Erdogan wishes it had not happened.)

    11/29/2015 7:06:36 AM PST · 40 of 67
    kabar to odds
    One of the biggest aces up Turkey’s sleeve and they know it too, is they want to have their cake and eat it too. They got NATO protection by being in NATO; yet they have lucrative trade deals with Russia at the same time. Milking both sides as they can. Not to mention that Erdogan is an Islamist, playing all sides and against each other when it suits him.

    That's the way the real world works. Did you ever wonder why Europe was so supportive of the Iran deal? Follow the money.

    Iran seeks $30bn of new oil contracts

    Iran has overhauled the way in which it offers contracts to foreign energy companies in a bid to attract up to $30bn of new investment.

    The terms of the new oil contracts will be more favourable to foreign investors, who will be allowed a greater stake in long-term profits.

    Iran is gearing up for the lifting of sanctions following the nuclear deal with six world powers in July.

    The country has some of the biggest oil and gas reserves in the world.

    The new contracts were announced at a conference in Tehran attended by many of the world's major energy companies, including BP, Shell, Total, Statoil and Sinopec. There were, however, no US companies present.

    The energy majors are keen to exploit Iran's abundant reserves of oil.

  • Putin orders sanctions against Turkey over jet downing (Erdogan wishes it had not happened.)

    11/29/2015 7:00:47 AM PST · 39 of 67
    kabar to Jim from C-Town
    Russia doesn’t have to attack.They have the high ground and all Putin has to do is turn the screw,which he is masterfully turning now.

    Putin doesn't have the high ground any more than he does in Ukraine, the shooting down of a civilian airliner, or seizing Crimea. Putin had his ambassador in Ankara called in twice in successive days prior to the shoot down warning against repeated violations of Turkish airspace.

    NATO denounces Russian incursion into Turkish airspace

    Putin is playing to his domestic audience with his "masterful" response. He is talking and acting tough because it is politically expedient to do so. This will blow over.

    There is no way in HELL that France, Germany or any other NATO ally, particularly bath house Barry is going into a hot war with Russia over Turkey. No Way In HELL!

    There is No Way In HELL! a hot war is going to result. Neither side wants it. Not going to happen.

    Turkey has lots more to lose in this than Russia including a hasty forced exit from NATO.They can also kiss goodbye any chance of ever getting into the EU, A desire they have had for decades.

    Turkey will remain in NATO. There was no way Turkey was ever going to get into the EU. Anyone who knows anything about their application knows that the EU will never admit Muslim Turkey into the EU. The latest wave of Muslim migrants into Europe killed any infinitesimal chance of Turkey joining the EU.

    Turkey will make a formal and public apology and they will eat crow and pay compensation to Russia and the downed pilots family.

    Turkey is in the process of returning the dead pilot's body to the Russians. Erdogen has already issued an apology, i.e. he wished it never happened. He will not apologize for defending his airspace. He also has a domestic audience.

    Putin, though a scum and thug, is a real man. Obama is Putin’s bitch and they both know it.

    You sound like a teenage girl or you have a man-crush on Putin. You can focus on personalities, but national interests are involved. Is Erdogen a "real man"? Here is something that should get your juices going:

  • Putin orders sanctions against Turkey over jet downing (Erdogan wishes it had not happened.)

    11/28/2015 9:48:42 PM PST · 20 of 67
    kabar to mkjessup
    If Putin goes so far as to break off diplomatic relations with Turkey (Russia has already broken all economic links), and if Russia enforces their no-fly zone over Syria, combined with ending charter vacation flights from Russia to Turkey (a huge moneymaker for Turkey), what is NATO going to do about that?

    NATO does not have to do anything. Russia is cutting off its nose to spite its face, if it cuts off all economic activity. In 2014, according to Turkish foreign trade statistics, exports to Russia were worth $5.9 billion while imports from Russia were worth $25.2 billion.

    As of 2012 the oil-and-gas sector accounted for 16% of the GDP, 52% of federal budget revenues and over 70% of total exports. The Russian economy is contracting due to sanctions and declining oil prices. The International Monetary Fund (IMF) downgraded its economic forecast for Russia as it projects recession of 3.8% in GDP for 2015 and of 0.6% for 2016.

    I doubt that Russia will scrap the deal the build a new oil pipeline thru Turkey to reach Western Europe or its plans to build a nuclear power plant in Turkey. There will be lots of bluster with little impact.

    If Putin continues his war in Ukraine and a new one in Syria, he will be the one in trouble. The Russians can't afford it. The corrupt KGB punk is stealing huge amounts of money, no doubt in a Swiss bank account.

  • Putin orders sanctions against Turkey over jet downing (Erdogan wishes it had not happened.)

    11/28/2015 9:30:30 PM PST · 17 of 67
    kabar to ctdonath2
    You seem to be missing the point and the context of my response to another poster. Turkey is not in big trouble. And if Russia were to attack Turkey, a NATO member, Article 5 could be invoked. The only time Article 5 was invoked was after 9/11 when the US was attacked. NATO went into Afghanistan as a result.

    Russia will not attack Turkey any more than we attacked the Soviet Union after they shot down more than a dozen US military aircraft during the Cold War. This will all blow over. And the Russians will be very careful about being near Turkish air space. The Russians were warned by the Turks two successive days before the shoot down that they would not tolerate continued Russian violation of their airspace. The Russian ambassador was called in twice.

  • Putin orders sanctions against Turkey over jet downing (Erdogan wishes it had not happened.)

    11/28/2015 8:24:52 PM PST · 8 of 67
    kabar to WENDLE

    LOL. What huge trouble? Turkey is in NATO and article 5 of the NATO Charter applies to them and any other member.

  • We should definitely challenge Ted Cruz's citizenship if he is elected president

    11/28/2015 8:06:18 PM PST · 104 of 116
    kabar to Kaslin

    Ted Cruz’ father became a citizen in 2005. He was not a citizen when Cruz was born and neither was Obama’s father. The biggest difference is that Obama was born in the US and Ted Cruz in Canada.

  • Karl Rove moves to bankroll Ben Carson

    11/28/2015 1:39:16 PM PST · 32 of 55
    kabar to Pontiac
    Karl is trying to take down Trump by supporting Carson. If successful, he will then take down Carson to get the establishment candidate.

    Carson does support amnesty. He meets the CofC test.

  • We should definitely challenge Ted Cruz's citizenship if he is elected president

    11/28/2015 1:34:09 PM PST · 81 of 116
    kabar to Kaslin
    Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock

    A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) The U.S. citizen parent must be the genetic or the gestational parent and the legal parent of the child under local law at the time and place of the child’s birth to transmit U.S. citizenship.

  • We should definitely challenge Ted Cruz's citizenship if he is elected president

    11/28/2015 10:18:31 AM PST · 63 of 116
    kabar to Marcella
    Being a constitutional expert, he knew he was a natural born American citizen.

    He should have known that the courts have never defined what constitutes a "natural born citizen" under the eligibility for President as specified in the Constution. It needs to be adjudicated.

  • We should definitely challenge Ted Cruz's citizenship if he is elected president

    11/28/2015 10:16:18 AM PST · 62 of 116
    kabar to Kaslin
    Barack Hussein Obama, Sr was never a US Citizen. He was a British citizen, because Kenya was a British colony at the time

    That is your opinion, not a fact. Obama is in the WH and holds a US passport. He has never been naturalized. Even if born in Kenya, his mother was a US citizen. And the state of Hawaii says he we was born there.

    Ted Cruz was born in Canada and was a Canadian at birth. His mother was an American but his father was Cuban who became naturalized in 2005. The Cruz situation is not that much different than Obama.

    Every president to date was either a citizen at the adoption of the Constitution in 1789 or born in the United States; of those in the latter group, every president except two (Chester A. Arthur and Barack Obama) had two U.S.-citizen parents. Both were controversial at the time. Cruz will invoke a similar controversy, which is why we need SCOTUS to adjudicate it now.

  • We should definitely challenge Ted Cruz's citizenship if he is elected president

    11/28/2015 10:04:59 AM PST · 58 of 116
    kabar to Kaslin
    I provided a post to you on the controversy surrounding Arthur. Some claimed he was not eligible due to the fact that his father was not a US citizen when Arthur was born. This controversy was in 1880 about 100 years after the Constitution was written.

    As the Senate Resolution on McCain says"

    Whereas the term "natural born Citizen", as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;

    The issue has never beem adjudicated.

  • We should definitely challenge Ted Cruz's citizenship if he is elected president

    11/28/2015 9:51:48 AM PST · 51 of 116
    kabar to CaraMiaR
    You are confusing the term of natural born as required by the Constitution and those who receive their citizenship automatically thru statute as distinct from naturalization.

    Both McCain and Goldwater received acts of Congress,

    No, Congress cannot make that determination. The Senate issued the following resolution:

    110th CONGRESS

    2d Session

    S. RES. 511


    April 10, 2008

    Mrs. McCaskill (for herself, Mr. Leahy, Mr. Obama, Mr. Coburn, Mrs. Clinton, and Mr. Webb) submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

    April 24, 2008

    Reported by Mr. Leahy, without amendment

    April 30, 2008

    Considered and agreed to


    Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.

    Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a "natural born Citizen" of the United States;

    Whereas the term "natural born Citizen", as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;

    Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country’s President;

    Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the "natural born Citizen" clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congress's own statute defining the term "natural born Citizen";

    Whereas the well-being of all citizens of the United States is preserved and enhanced by the men and women who are assigned to serve our country outside of our national borders;

    Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; and

    Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it

    That John Sidney McCain, III, is a "natural born Citizen" under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.

    You are correct that the resolution was based on the Tribe-Olson opinion that included a statement on the eligibility of Obama. They said that Obama was eligible just being born on US soil and that Hawaii was a state at the time of his birth. When you look at who sponsored this resolution, it is obvious the Dems were using it as a cover for Obama.

    Historical practice confirms that birth on soil that is under the sovereignty of the United States, but not within a State, satisfies the Natural Born Citizen Clause. For example, Vice President Charles Curtis was born in the territory of Kansas on January 25, 1860 — one year before Kansas became a State. Because the Twelfth Amendment requires that Vice Presidents possess the same qualifications as Presidents, the service of Vice President Curtis verifies that the phrase “natural born Citizen” includes birth outside of any State but within U.S. territory. Similarly, Senator Barry Goldwater was born in Arizona before its statehood, yet attained the Republican Party’s presidential nomination in 1964. And Senator Barack Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961 — not long after its admission to the Union on August 21, 1959. We find it inconceivable that Senator Obama would have been ineligible for the Presidency had he been born two years earlier.

  • We should definitely challenge Ted Cruz's citizenship if he is elected president

    11/28/2015 9:35:06 AM PST · 45 of 116
    kabar to luvbach1

    Supposedly this was produced by the publicist for his book.

  • We should definitely challenge Ted Cruz's citizenship if he is elected president

    11/28/2015 9:33:44 AM PST · 44 of 116
    kabar to apoliticalone

    To me, it really doesn’t matter how it is adjudicated. We need a ruling ASAP given the rapidly changing demographics of the country. Lawrence Tribe and Ted Olson provided an opinion on the eligibility of McCain at the behest of the Senate, which then issued a Resolution stating that McCain was eligible. But it had no force of law.

  • We should definitely challenge Ted Cruz's citizenship if he is elected president

    11/28/2015 9:31:19 AM PST · 42 of 116
    kabar to Kaslin
    So was Obama's mother. The question is what constitutes a natural born citizen as specified in the eligibility requirements for President under the Constitution. There was a big kerfuffle in the media when Chester Arthur was running for VP. There were allegations that he was born in Canada (American mother) and that his father was not a naturalized US citizen at the time. The opposition that either circumstance would disqualify him.

    Chester A. Arthur was rumored to have been born in Canada. His mother, Malvina Stone Arthur, while a native of Berkshire, Vermont, moved with her family to Quebec, where she met and married the future president's father, William Arthur, on April 12, 1821. After the family had settled in Fairfield, Vermont, William Arthur traveled with his eldest daughter to East Stanbridge, Canada, in October 1830 and commuted to Fairfield on Sundays to preach. "It appears that he traveled regularly between the two villages, both of which were close to the Canadian border, for about eighteen months, holding two jobs", which may well explain the confusion about Arthur's place of birth, as perhaps did the fact that he was born in Franklin County, and thus literally within a day's walk of the Vermont–Quebec border.

    This was never demonstrated by his Democratic opponents, although Arthur Hinman, an attorney who had investigated Arthur's family history, raised the objection during his vice-presidential campaign and after the end of his presidency, published a book on the subject.

    Arthur was born in Vermont to a Vermont-born mother and a father from Ireland, who was naturalized as a U.S. citizen in 1843, 14 years after Chester was born. Despite the fact that his parents took up residence in the United States somewhere between 1822 and 1824, Arthur additionally began to claim between 1870 and 1880 that he had been born in 1830, rather than in 1829, which only caused minor confusion and was even used in several publications. Arthur was sworn in as president when President Garfield died after being shot.

  • We should definitely challenge Ted Cruz's citizenship if he is elected president

    11/28/2015 9:25:23 AM PST · 40 of 116
    kabar to cripplecreek
    While at home in Houston on Tuesday, Cruz was notified by mail that the renunciation became official on May 14, 2014, The Dallas Morning News reports.

    I wonder why he waited so long.

  • We should definitely challenge Ted Cruz's citizenship if he is elected president

    11/28/2015 9:02:50 AM PST · 25 of 116
    kabar to ontap

    Ted Cruz became a Canadian citizen at birth. Canada also has birthright citizenship. Obama was born in the US (supposedly) thereby making him a citizen at birth (jus solis).

  • We should definitely challenge Ted Cruz's citizenship if he is elected president

    11/28/2015 9:00:53 AM PST · 24 of 116
    kabar to Duchess47

    Every president to date was either a citizen at the adoption of the Constitution in 1789 or born in the United States; of those in the latter group, every president except two (Chester A. Arthur and Barack Obama) had two U.S.-citizen parents.

  • We should definitely challenge Ted Cruz's citizenship if he is elected president

    11/28/2015 8:58:24 AM PST · 22 of 116
    kabar to fatnotlazy
    We have 300,000 to 400,000 children (anchor babies) born to illegal aliens annually. They are citizens at birth. Should they be eligible to be President? Anyone born in Puerto Rico and Guam are US citizens at birth. We have birth tourism where women come in from all over the globe to have their children in the US, giving the children a US passport.

    This does need to be adjudicated by SCOTUS. We are fast approaching the highest ratio of immigrants to native born in our history. In 1970 one in 21 was foreign-born; today it is less than one in 8, the highest in 105 years; and within a decade it will be one in 7, the highest in our history.

  • Turkish President Erdogan Blasts Vladimir Putin: 'Don't Play with Fire'

    11/27/2015 6:42:08 PM PST · 77 of 79
    kabar to piytar
    Here’s a concept: Economic activity matters.

    Wow, that's profound. The point is that Russia would hurt itself if it stopped sales to Turkey.

    The two countries signed a series of strategically important energy deals just a year ago. Chief among them was the Turkish Stream project -- a plan to build a new pipeline to carry Russian gas to Turkey, and then to the huge European market. It is set to replace the South Stream project, which was supposed to run through Ukraine but was canceled last year.

    Turkey is the second largest buyer of Russia's natural gas, behind Germany.

    Russia is also building Turkey's first nuclear power station, located in Mersin on the south coast of the country. Construction started in April and is expected to be completed by 2020. Under the agreement, signed in 2010, Russia will finance the $22 billion project and then operate the plant.

    Both countries are already suffering huge economic turmoil and urgently need a boost, not another shock.

    Russia's economy has been slammed by low oil prices and Western sanctions. The International Monetary Fund expects Russian GDP will shrink by 3.8% this year, and by another 0.6% in 2016.

    Turkey is not in the best place either. Months of political deadlock after an inconclusive election in June weighed on activity. Growth has slumped in recent years. The IMF expects the economy to grow by just 3.1% this year and 3.6% in 2016 -- way below the 9% it experienced in 2010 and 2011.

    I doubt Russia will cut off its nose to spite its face.

    I recanted my call for a ZOT earlier. It is now renewed.

    LOL. Idiot.

  • Turkish President Erdogan Blasts Vladimir Putin: 'Don't Play with Fire'

    11/27/2015 3:45:20 PM PST · 74 of 79
    kabar to piytar

    You mean that by Russia refusing to sell $14.5 billion to Turkey, it will hurt the Turks and not the Russians? Do you understand the difference between imports and exports?

  • Turkish President Erdogan Blasts Vladimir Putin: 'Don't Play with Fire'

    11/27/2015 3:31:03 PM PST · 71 of 79
    kabar to piytar
    The Russians play chess. They will cripple Turkey economically. In fact, they have already started to do so.

    LOL. How will they cripple Turkey economically?

    The top export destinations of Turkey are Germany ($15.5B), Iraq ($11.9B), the United Kingdom ($8.92B), France ($7.7B) and Italy ($7.26B). The top import origins are Germany ($25.8B), China ($24.3B), Russia ($14.5B), Italy ($13.2B) and the United States ($12.1B).

  • Turkish President Erdogan Blasts Vladimir Putin: 'Don't Play with Fire'

    11/27/2015 10:26:17 AM PST · 59 of 79
    kabar to piytar

    The idea that Russia is going to initiate military action against Turkey is laughable.