Free Republic

Excuse me while I attempt to catch my breath.

The GOP had the whole of D.C. for 4 years during Bush, and what did ‘we’ get?: NSA, TSA, No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part XYZ, Tarp, etc.

In fact, I cannot lay my finger upon any reversal of Law, Dept. abolished, line item 0’d out...

What ‘worthwhile objectives’ were YOU talking about?? ‘Cuz all *I’ve* heard recently is: ‘fixing’ OCare, amnesty and more $ MORE $ MORE $$

The ones whom now pay $20/mo, subsidized by the taxpayer...probably more than 10

/I kid, but I’m not smiling

She’s nice to look at, sometime nice to listen to, but “Oh, darling!”

Judea = Israel/Middle Eastern = darker
Santa = white (I mean, what black couple enjoys the snow/cold/’elves’ THAT much) /s

Horrible as this may sound, if/when it does, I only hope D.C. is the target (and most of the ‘roaches’ are in session)

Oh, it *could*, but I’m not holding my breath. Otherwise, it’s the lynch pin to ask ‘What about XYZ’. Why people may begin to question the authority/legality of any/all Laws passed by our betters! /s

I don’t recall forced church membership; I remember State churches (the former, IMHO, being wholly Un-American), Virginia for sure.

I see, again IMHO, nothing ‘ugly’ about the State telling the Fed to go pound sand per the 1st A. Of course, these same people (on both sides of the fence) still can’t comprehend ‘...shall NOT be infringed’

Why pretend to even still have a Constitutional Republic?

As you stated, there is the false ‘start’ of arguments, leaving out the constraining clause “CONGRESS shall...”. Last I looked a State is NOT Congress.

No. Instead, in those 4 years, we got TSA, NSA, No Child, etc. etc. etc.

Not ONCE, that I know of, has any law/dept/etc. been rescinded/abolished/0’d out. The best that came about was the ‘tweaking of welfare’, no termination, just refining the system.

The important part is that it takes the power of the purse away from the Senate/president - which they effectively had stolen via CRs and politics.

You could fertilize a field...The House willingly, per Boehner, gave it up. In as much as they gave up during the 'slowdown'.

All the House had to do is NOT go along with the farce and DEMAND the Senate follow their obligations (HOW many years did they let them 'slide'?!)

The important part is the increase in spending, increase in taxes for some more bullshit down the road. How many reports EVERY YEAR (from gov't itself too) that point to the BILLIONS wasted on dupe/overlapping systems? Medi-XYZ/WIC/Sec8/OPhone fraud/etc.!? This isn't a budget, this is (again) capitulation.

Taking your hypothesis at face value, just WHAT is the House (GOP) doing to prevent the same? Have Issa hold ANOTHER conference? They sure haven’t raise a stink about any number of encroachments and usurpation of powers by the Senate/pResident.

If they wanted to fight back, they’d be pounding the air waves, print and passing bills instead of this CR/omnibus B.S.

$23B/10years is a slap in the face for EVERY taxpayer. Where’s the damn ‘balanced budget’ plank these days (aside from the back of the coat closet)?!

I’m sure the possibility exists...and then the lawsuits, bad press, etc. shuts any business that DOESN’T secure their users data.

Not sure what docs you see or forms you fill out, but in my experience, since you asked: name, address, DOB, phone #, work address, work phone #, SSN...

A hackers wet dream, and I’m supposed to trust gov’t mandate/OCare > electronic > paper files?? I def. wasn’t born yesterday

And the nugget to watch is: without any explainable lawful purpose, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.

Easily shot down by:

1. Our INALIENABLE Right(s): "...The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
2. When seconds matter, police are only minutes away
3. Police are under NO obligation to protect nor respond (numerous case law can be provided)

And still they turn a blind eye to their own definition of the great Ponzi scheme....

Nor will the unskilled help in any other area. Overload healthcare, schools, S.S., Section 8, WIC, etc. Not even discussed is the ‘lovely’ EITC = more funds sucked out of the taxpayers’ wallet.

Unfortunately, Freedom of choice is nary voiced in the debate.

(Proper) Rights, as we all (should) know, require no 2nd/3rd/etc. party to enjoy.

As to your question RE: the cake, the State with its licensing (aka crony Capitalism and $$ theft) get my vote; the nose was already under the tent

Sorry, you seem to have mis-spelled. There’s an ‘A’ where a ‘C’ should be in ‘Aunt’

Course, ICE is tight-lipped about this law breaker....as much as any (R) in either house.

As Mojito alluded, we are no longer a Constitutional Republic....I read nothing that authorized Congress to create said departments, let alone allowed Congress to dole-out its law-writing authority.

Yet, to bring up the same quandary to any Congress-critter and they will merely shrug their shoulders.

Unfortunately, there would need to be a great deal of REVERSAL and repeal to allow any semblance of restoration.

I wouldn’t hold my breath even IF the (G) won the Senate as well (so says the TSA, No Child, etc. etc. etc.)

Let alone the Contracts Clause! If one is FORCED, under duress, to sign, is a contract still valid? (True I’m talking in the real world vs. gov’t...the latter SCOTUS has found NOTHING it cannot do)

They are paid by the TAXPAYERS. Anything they ‘pay’, let alone the ‘subsidy’, comes out of the Treasury.

Aren’t their ‘raises’ automatic anymore anyway?

We’ve long BEEN running a Banana Republic.

“When in the course of human events...”

Though, I’d presume, currently, the courts would strike anything down for ‘lack of standing’ /s

I fail to see what all the hub-bub is about. It’s not as though we have anyone following A1S8 when they the all-encompassing ‘General Welfare’ to pass everything they want /s (big time) *cry*

Unfortunately 10 years is quite moot when you have GENERATIONAL welfare.

As voting is not a Right, how about for the term of accepting welfare (in any fashion, shape, matter or form. This includes the EITC. You didn’t ‘make/earn it’, it’s welfare) until termination PLUS 8 years (2 presidential election cycles)

5. Who/when signed off on the waiver of compliance? (How is the site, and all supporting/back-end, able to exist if the same were to be run from the private sector?!?!)

Worked in the banking sector I.T. for close to a decade. The hoops, cost and compliance we had to have just validate to secure our users data, let alone program, document....

Amnesty would destroy the ‘illegality’ portion (low wages, long hours, non-compliance). What it WOULD do is drive the wages down for EVERYONE while exploding the spiral that is the ‘social safety net’ (schools, WIC, Sec. 8, etc.)

(D) and (R) get to stay in power with their publicly payed perks and paycheck, while the rest of us get SCREWED (again)

Say, what’s the difference between the (R) and (D) these days?

The fix is: no high school diploma = no food stamps no WIC, no AFDC, no Medicaid, etc....THEN (maybe) an education might be important to those that need one.

Fixed it for you

My (L) leaning mandate that I add to the 'fix' you provided. Add in: remove compulsory education and property taxes; make those that utilize services shop and pay themselves.

‘Thrown’ cig, a little accelerator...damn shame what a little fire would do

Let’s see, when did it ‘go to pot’, as it were?

How about LBJ’s ‘Great Society’ (high taxes, welfare for kicking daddy out of the picture, etc.)? Plus, most likely, the bastardization of the Const. called abortion ‘Rights’

Gov’t got what it desired in ~2 generations.

I seemed to have missed all the stories of the Knock-Out ‘game’ in States with concealed/open-carry

Sorry, how about this, both public and private

Knock off the bennies, kill the income tax and invest in yourself and/or save for retirement using your own $$.

The taxpayers are not a piggie-bank; and the sure as sh*t don’t get any say at the ‘negotiating table’

OPM.GOV (Other people’s $$) Fitting

Yes, yes we CAN cut-off any/all benefits.

It is not only morally reprehensible to enslave one person for the benefit of another, but kills any initiative. Let’s not even go the 5th Amend route (which, as a (L), IMHO, would negate the Fed OR State from ‘safety nets’ *spit*)

Tapering off is not even a half-measure, as the next meeting of the ‘high and mighty’ would negate the same or roll it back. Termination is the only truly effective way. It should be the FIRST thing to do, so even if the next group rolls it back, people are already moving ‘out’.

Did I ever indicate ignorance on your part? I, for one, did not presume to post as if I talked for one party or another, these are my own words and thoughts; my own ignorance notwithstanding.

We’re all scholars of the (C) on this board, ‘professor’. And, in as much as our Founders, have as many vectors of thought on the subject.

I will respond in kind. Hint: The horse you sit upon is not so high. If you wish to enlighten, you may wish to re-post your own thoughts; I for one, have enough work to dig into every posters past to attempt to get into their heads.

1). Looking out for oneself is ALWAYS a forward ‘temporal perspective’, as you put it. How best do *I* spend $$/thought/work/etc. to get the most benefit to me and mine? That is neither (L) nor (C), that is human nature.

2). As to my ‘blindness’, I posted this query to ‘servantboy777’. Bias? I wear it upon my sleeve, as it appears you too. The question still stands, as I enjoy the differences in thought.

As to your biz method patent. Good for you. How’s it working for yourself in this administration/climate?

3). I’m not sure what you’ve been reading, but when/if there is no taxpayer ‘security net’ nor gov’t hand-out or the like, there is ONLY personal responsibility. Self determination, with all the pros/cons of ones’ decisions in life, IMHO, have ALWAYS been the basis of the (L) party. There are no ‘means’ to making ‘accountability’ happen; the courts already do this job well enough. As a supposed (C), what other layer of gov’t must be created?

4). I lump the two as much as you and your like to merge (L) with the Dems/Left. Though I see little effort in attempting to differentiate these so called (C) from the (R) rabble....are you/they not still (R)?? (It is one of the few black marks I give Dr. Paul...a (L) running on the (R) ticket...c’est la vie).

I am neither blind nor ignorant of the many posting of the past; but words on the ‘net do little else to change what has been/is done under your banner. Holding ones’ nose during voting does even less. As they say, you’re known by those you run with.

Condescension will cease when ANYTHING is done to restore the Republic and the Freedoms of the Citizens of this fair nation. As of today, your gaggle has been found...lacking.

I would rather be judged as some weed-smoking nobody who wishes to be left alone than some smaller-BIG gov’t shill extolling “I’m here from the gov’t and here to help”.

LOL...I’m with you there. I have no aversion of leaving areas empty or using the fill-in option.

1). Anything else? They do (the penny, the nickel, etc.). Those have historically been ‘fiat’; but they are NOT valid for debt (only gold/silver).

2). No, those was the failing of our G/Great-grandparents. D.C. should have been a smoldering heap IMHO. Let’s not forget Nixon in the theft as well.

3). I can’t see how ‘coining’ = ‘printing’ = ‘make’. States are not allowed to mint/print/make/etc., they can ONLY assure gold/silver are payment of debt (A1S10) [note, it specifies gold and silver COIN as the latter]

4). Fiat currency is a its heart DEBT. It is a fiction masquerading as value, created out of NOTHING. It goes hand in hand with spending and interest. Do you believe, if we still had a true monetary policy, Congress could rack up $17+TRILLION ($120T+ unfunded liabilities)??

5). Those functions/departments are under control of Congress, the ‘Federal Reserve’ is not.

Sorry, I’m not sure whom ‘Rachel’ pertains. If you’re asking do I tow the party line? In as much as you may for the (R) or whomever you are affiliated. IMHO, the (L) has 95% platform I endorse, but I vote and donate to whom I think best represents the 1) Constitution and 2) the individual (me).

As to the quote provided, it’s a mixed bag. For me, one follows the Rule of Law (when passed and in-sync with the Const.). States are still able to do as they wish (again, as long as in line w/ the Const.)...50 experiments and one is able and willing to vote w/ their feet and $$.

Most of the quote seems to be a mangle of talking points and gibberish (womans’ voice, targeted minority groups??)

You’re only partially correct....until ‘64. Even today, only the silver/gold/plat sets are ‘worth’ anything...and they are stamped with their TRUE denomination (1/10oz gold = $5)

Point shows how to placate the masses (no offense)

Why is it THEIR responsibility?
Why do only THEY get the benefits?

They negotiated the best for THEIR bottom line, pure and simple. Now, until the law changes in MY direction (not my favor mind you), you damn sure I’ll be taking advantage of what is presented.

But I, by far, can do a HELL of a lot better buying for myself/family than any employer could possibly.

Agree, aside from two little thing:

First, the national party will not wise up anytime soon.

Lastly, it’s not about Hispanic nor amnesty. It’s about the RULE OF LAW. If ANY candidate says a THING contrary to following the law, they are unfit for office, IMHO. They, for sure, will not get MY vote.

Benefits, yes, but enforcing this ‘only Americans’ ideal too is akin to a police state (your papers please). ‘Jobs’ belong to the employer/business, I see no reason to interfere with whomever they wish to employ, for whatever reason.

Let me preface the above: As a (L) I’d have MINIMAL taxes/etc. Schools would be paid by parents, there would be NO S.S., Medicaid, etc. (outside States)....IOW, there would be little reason for someone to come here unless they WANTED to, there would be NO Fed. freebies.

I understand your point re: wall. But, if the millions can stream in, I don’t see any reason the reverse would be as hard :)

These days, I’ll believe it when I see it (aside from them still getting paid...we’ve see that all too well even recently)

And, as most rulings, a bastardization of the clause AND meaning.

I’d just LOVE for anyone to bring up an I.C. question: If the I.C. can do XYZ, what does it PROHIBIT Congress from doing? If nothing, why all the other verbiage of the Constitution?

The whole notion that a single sentence can turn Fed. constraint on its head is laughable.

Not as if they uphold the Constitution...”Shall not be infringed” is pretty to understand, even for those with a ‘law degree’.

That’s akin to Conservative blasphemy to some around here. Though they note the Fed side MAY be Unconstitutional (some/most of the time it suits THEM just fine), they don’t have a problem with the State doing the same...or worse (or willfully ignore the totalitarianism @ the State level)

Nor does the Executive have any authority to flout the Laws (IE: enforcement); nor does Congress have the authority to do 90% of what it currently does (S.S., ‘gun control’, healthcare, etc.)....yet they both do.

I relish the day when the States and the People finally wake up and notice we are a RINO *Republic in name only*

Start out at the ROOT, not the leaves...

How about, instead of CEO’s (whom don’t usually do the hiring), we round up the politicians/police/etc. whom DON’T/WON’T enforce the law and ‘send them off to prison at hard labor breaking big rocks into little rocks for several years.’ And, at the same time, round up and deport as we find ‘em (building the wall and a ‘no man’s land’ in the process)

That still makes some an economic slave; does not encompass ALL peoples (IE: still those w/ no skin in the game); and a few other niggling peeves....

Return to what worked for ~150 years

Sorry, impossible. There’s way to much already out there for roll-your-own. HackADay, Instructibles, etc. all have enough links to get anyone started.

Been thinking of building myself one...then building the CNC, or buying a mill, for some smith’ing

Of course they knew...You’d have to be the MSM or low-info voter to think otherwise.

Here’s a question for the dunce: since everyone now MUST have insurance, how about repealing the need of hospitals to take every/anyone regardless of ability to pay?

1st, 4th, 10th...There is standing, currently, even if the penalty doesn’t kick in until later: IE: contracts (forcing one to sign on the dotted line)

Broad brush there, but I’ll take a stab here...

(L) are more focused upon the Constitution; that negates any need to look to the future vs. now.

I’m STILL looking for a definition of ‘Conservative’. Does that entail returning to the ‘good ol’ days’ of JFK/LBJ? Wilson? FDR? Theodore? Lincoln?....Just where in the U.S. timeline of steady Socialism is the ‘end all’? In that regard, IMHO, the (L) doctrine (is it Const.??) makes things MUCH easier.

I’m seen, even here, way too many (C) who will back the JBT or War on Drugs....and then bad-mouth the (L) for ‘helping the GOP lose’ or being ‘liberal’; just blows my mind.

IMHO, the author is correct in one aspect...we SHOULD be working together to restore our Republic. But when the GOP/etc. pass NSA, TSA, No Child, etc., why should the (L) care to mesh?

Without a definition of ‘Conservative’, it’s hard to take the author at face value (though I, being a (L), agree with some of his points.

As a (L), for me, the driving factor is the Constitution. And if one only pays lip service (as the GOP has done for quite a many year now), they don’t get my vote.

I still fail to see how the (L) ‘pulled off’ the failure of the (R) candidate...when 2x as many people STAYED HOME THAN VOTED. That’s the (L) fault? No, that’s a failure of the (R) message at the least.