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  • Pelosi's Grip Seems to Have Weakened

    11/28/2014 5:20:06 AM PST · 15 of 28
    Hostage to Daffynition

    Funny almost...it would be really funny if it wasn’t El Boehner.

  • Pelosi's Grip Seems to Have Weakened

    11/28/2014 5:17:09 AM PST · 13 of 28
    Hostage to Liz

    Thanks Liz but a couple of comments:

    > “Some pundits say Republicans have a 100-year majority;”

    The Republicans will have a 2-year majority if they run Mitt Romney or Jeb Bush for President in 2016, because conservatives will have had enough and will stay home.

    Next comment is a question. You may not know the answer but it sure is interesting that the Red-Blue Map shows the Florida Panhandle as Blue. I don’t get that; do you?

  • ‘Get over yourself': Garth Brooks won’t appear on TV because of Ferguson

    11/26/2014 7:19:16 PM PST · 63 of 93
    Hostage to Steve_Seattle

    Lol! That is really accurate but I think the Ellen Show should be a little further down on the list.

  • What do y'all think about the riots in Ferguson?

    11/26/2014 2:33:33 PM PST · 209 of 260
    Hostage to Bitsy

    You do remember in 2009 when banks were lining up asking for the federal government to bail them out?

    Do you remember who else was lining up? Yes, the major print media. Their circulations had deteriorated so much from competition from the internet and talk radio that they actually lined up to beg for a bailout. They also wanted the internet regulated.

    So imagine Obama in early 2009 being asked to do something for the major national print news media. You think he would do anything without strings attached?

    The media, like Congress, is for sale to the highest bidder.

  • What do y'all think about the riots in Ferguson?

    11/26/2014 10:33:22 AM PST · 9 of 260
    Hostage to Jim Robinson

    It showed how utterly contemptible the media is in driving their agenda.

  • Minneapolis driver escapes mob of Michael Brown-shirts. Well-done! (commentary)

    11/26/2014 10:28:14 AM PST · 8 of 53
    Hostage to Vigilanteman; Adam Taxin

    I remember Reginald Denny too who happened to be just a white guy driving a dump truck doing his job.

    Damian “Football” Williams, a 19-year old with a criminal record together with a few others pulled Reginald out of his truck and bashed his skull with a brick causing his skull to break and cave in; all this while Reginald was on his knees begging for help. Yes, it was a miracle he survived. Damian did a victory dance around Reginald who laid dying on the ground. All of it was caught on tape from a helicopter.

    And later when Reginald recovered he had forgave his attackers because he had a Christian spirit.

    LA Police Chief Daryl Gates arrested Damian Williams himself (with a 200 police officer backup) as Williams was hiding out. I remember reading what was reported that Williams said to Chief Gates:

    ” ... that at the moment of Mr. Williams’s arrest, the young man taunted him about that. “He said, ‘Chief Gates, you’re going,”’ the Chief said, “And I said, ‘Yes, Football, but you’re going first.’ “

    It should be noted that the Black community in LA helped Chief Gates find Williams and the others. I remember well the black community in LA as being very spiritual and God-fearing and terrorized so much so that Churches needed bars over the windows.

  • Maybe President Obama is Just Trolling?

    11/26/2014 9:57:34 AM PST · 28 of 40
    Hostage to pwatson; Kaslin
    > "Also he already had de facto done this by ordering the stand down of the entire immigration enforcement already."

    You're missing the really dangerous part of what Obama has done.

    Jonah Goldberg gets it but Freepers got it here first including yours truly. Here's what Goldberg gets:

    If all King Obama was doing was opting not to deport some immigrants here illegally, he'd be on safer ground. But his new proposal would allow an estimated 3.5 million "undocumented Americans" to get all sorts of documents -- Social Security numbers, work permits, drivers licenses, etc. That's not prosecutorial discretion, that's a rewrite of existing law.

    But that's not yet the danger part; by 'danger' I mean harm and likely irreparable harm to the United States.

    The danger part is that all those documents that Obama is preparing to issue to illegals will enable them to register to vote, and sooner than most people can imagine.

    See here the tip of the iceberg:

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/10/22/Ineligible-DACA-Beneficiaries-Discovered-On-NC-Voting-Rolls

    The attack on the United States is from the Left and the strategy is to turn Red states Blue. Texas is a prime target.

    But the effects will be felt in the 2016 presidential election. When Obama's people make the 'applications' available for the illegals, what follows is documentation and an army of community organizers now known as 'Community Service Officers' who will get the newly documented illegals registered to vote. The law that a person must be a citizen doesn't matter to these people.

    So it's not about keeping Obama relevant in the news. It's much more dangerous than Obama.

    And note, Obama is a stooge used by others. He was told to sit down and write these 'Executive Actions' as directives. He was told to wait until after the election. He was told not to issue Executive Orders because EOs have legal binding authority and can be more easily challenged and overturned in court.

    Obama is a puppet. The puppetmasters are in the 'Democracy Alliance'; look it up.

  • Elite Contempt for Ordinary Americans

    11/26/2014 5:36:40 AM PST · 13 of 26
    Hostage to Travis McGee

    Bump!

  • Sicko Gay Leader Gets Media Pass

    11/26/2014 5:34:56 AM PST · 13 of 15
    Hostage to NKP_Vet

    Thanks for posting this. Good information here.

  • American Voters Split On Obama's Immigration Move, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds

    11/25/2014 11:09:57 AM PST · 6 of 9
    Hostage to SeekAndFind

    I don’t believe this poll at all. I suspect the polling sample is highly skewed.

    Americans in the recent mid-term elections just voted overwhelmingly against amnesty in any form. To say the public is ‘split’ is a stretch to say the least.

  • Obama the Tyrant

    11/25/2014 9:36:56 AM PST · 15 of 31
    Hostage to laweeks

    Spot on. Most people don’t realize this is nothing to do with Obama but everything to do with his puppet masters. We can’t see them very well but we know they are there because we see their people fronting for them.

    Many of them float on the edges of the Democracy Alliance.

  • Obama the Tyrant

    11/25/2014 9:33:22 AM PST · 14 of 31
    Hostage to RetiredArmy

    > “Obama’s executive order granting amnesty ....”

    There is no Executive ‘Order’.

  • Why do Billionaires Want Your Guns?

    11/24/2014 7:14:09 AM PST · 27 of 39
    Hostage to grania

    Most liberal Billionaires are made billionaires by the banking system which is a hierarchical system of persons that move money in whatever quantities wherever.

    Billionaires made billionaires by oil and other resource or agricultural ownership are considered pariahs to the approved Billionaire’s Club.

  • Peter Wehner’s Greatest Hit Jobs

    11/24/2014 6:48:21 AM PST · 3 of 3
    Hostage to Bratch

    Jen is one of Freeperdom’s true gems. I am in awe of Jen’s writing level and ability to focus readers on the facts.

    Keep building your website and your reputation Jen! I predict you are going to enter prominent circles when Senator Cruz has his new office fumigated in January 2017!

  • WHERE'S THE EO? IT'S ALL IN THE CARDS! (Hostage)

    11/23/2014 9:46:25 PM PST · 54 of 55
    Hostage to WildHighlander57; Liz; Jane Long; All

    I got one more idea that makes me smile ear to ear and I can just imagine it will make O’s eyes pop out of their sockets and his head explode and I believe it would make any State Governor or State AG get enthusiastically behind it. Even a feeble died-in-the-wool GOP-E RINO would get behind this idea!

    Let me set the table. First, let’s look at one of the many excellent links that Jane Long has posted, this one to a Fox News report:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/11/21/obama-signs-executive-action-delaying-deportations-for-millions-illegal

    Now focus on this sentence taken from the above link:

    “During a 15-minute primetime speech Thursday, Obama said his administration will start accepting applications from illegal immigrants who seek the deferred actions.”

    Now think about it for one moment in the context of a State AG’s Office preparing to file a Motion for Preliminary Injunction against Obama’s Executive ‘Action’.

    Think...think...think...

    We see here that Obama is going to direct his people, his Community Organizers now known as Community Service Officers to “start accepting applications from illegal immigrants”.

    And of course we know the information from these APPLICATIONS will be used to make and issue the CARDS.

    And imagine for a second the State Attorney in the courtroom, pleading before the federal judge ......

    And the State Attorney is asking the judge to put a hold, a federal order, a federal injunction, a temporary restraining order on the CARDS ......

    And Obama’s lawyer says to the judge there is no law, nothing to bar printing and accepting APPLICATIONS; imagine for a moment “Your Honor, we have already started the process of accepting APPLICATIONS and there is no harm, there can be no real harm to the State of _________ in this process we are already pursuing” etc.

    And then imagine the judge turning to the State Attorney and signaling for a reply whence the State Attorney says:

    “Your Honor, the State of ________ has no objection whatsoever, in fact the State of ________ and I am sure all the States that have joined with us here today would have no objection in encouraging and supporting the acceptance of these amnesty, er, deferred action APPLICATIONS”. We are in complete agreement with the President and his Administration that illegal immigrants should be encouraged, even PAID! to come forward to fill out these APPLICATIONS with assistance from interpreters and other handlers who will proceed to take all their information including any documents from their homelands such as copies of their matricular cards, passports, family members, places of residence in the USA as well as in their homelands, including full biometrics, fingerprints, DNA etc. etc. etc.

    And might we suggest? Might we suggest that we pay each applicant $50 in return for implanting an electronic tracking device under their skin? Ok $75 .... all right then ....$100!

    BY ALL MEANS MR. PRESIDENT!

    BY ALL MEANS SIR! PLEASE PRESS FORWARD FULL SPEED AHEAD WITH YOUR ......

    A P P L I C A T I O N S!

    Collect the information Mr. President. We are fully behind you Sir!

    Meanwhile Sir, Your Majesty, we are putting a hold on your CARDS! We need to have this discussion about CARDS until Raphael Edward “Ted” Cruz has his new office fumigated in January 2017!

    In all seriousness, the Motion for Preliminary Injunction or its presentation in court should in some way encourage the information gathering on the tens of millions of applicants and suggest that it be done in a way that will be calming and rewarding to the applicants. After all, Obama is not going to deport them any time soon. So they can rest easy and come on in and fill out the application and get all the scanning, fingerprinting and measurements done. And maybe get a little money to boot!

  • WHERE'S THE EO? IT'S ALL IN THE CARDS! (Hostage)

    11/23/2014 8:48:42 PM PST · 53 of 55
    Hostage to LonePalm

    Actually, I have a little different idea but I understand your sentiment.

    This business of the CARDS represents very little business to GD in terms of their defense and intelligence businesses which are enormous.

    I would call the GD CEO and tell him to do a real slow walk on the cards until a Federal Court or Congress shut it down entirely and I would reassure him that nothing will happen to any of his other larger businesses and that when Ted Cruz is in the Oval Office in January 2017 that we will push hard to reward GD with new and more lucrative defense and intelligence contracts.

  • WHERE'S THE EO? IT'S ALL IN THE CARDS! (Hostage)

    11/23/2014 7:31:24 PM PST · 50 of 55
    Hostage to WildHighlander57; Liz; Jane Long; All

    Please ping this post to your lists.

    From the Template link in the bottom of #46 above:

    III. LEGAL STANDARD

    A preliminary injunction is “an extraordinary remedy that should be granted only when the party seeking the relief, by a clear showing, carries the burden of persuasion.

    A party carries this burden of persuasion by establishing:

    (1) that there is a substantial likelihood of success on the merits;

    (2) that the plaintiff would suffer irreparable injury absent an injunction;

    (3) that an injunction would not substantially injure other interested parties; and

    (4) that an injunction would further public interest.

    Let’s take them one at a time and remember that the plaintiff need only establish facts of concerns that are to be sorted out later, i.e. a Motion of Preliminary Injunction need not argue the larger case but serve only to stop a process from proceeding that may otherwise have serious consequences until its legality and material impact are sorted out in Court (the larger case).

    Note also that a Federal Preliminary Injunction is a Federal Court Order similar to a Temporary Restraining Order and is needed to GAIN TIME for the purpose of the party bringing it to be better organized and positioned for the larger case filing. It can gain as much as a year and possibly two. It can become permanent if not contested or until overridden by Congressional action.

    Lastly note that a Federal Court Order applies to federal officers, federal officials and federal contractors where violation of the court order can lead to charges of contempt, incarceration and fines. Federal Judges have US Marshals at their disposal who are capable of indefinitely detaining violators of federal court orders.

    With respect to (1) of the Legal Standard:

    There is a reasonable substantial likelihood of success on the merits based on previous cases in which the Executive Branch overreached its authority and its constitutional bounds. (Attorneys for a Governor or State AG will fill this item out in the pleading with recent multiple examples of case law)

    The idea is specific to facts that an unauthorized solicitation for CARDS above and beyond what the US Congress has authorized is a clear overreach of Executive Authority. (Must be careful here not to give the judge a reason to rule that Congress should therefore deal with it). Congress has recessed without addressing the matter and has not indicated any inclination to take measures to stop a ‘surge’ of manufacturing of the CARDS. Congress’ inaction and the uncertainty of Congressional action on this matter places the State of ___________ in peril as described in (2) of this legal standard.

    With respect to (2) of the Legal Standard:

    The State of ___________ will suffer irreparable injury absent an injunction in the estimated amount of $$$ as itemized in Exhibit X, noting the facts herein described how the the proposed CARDS and attendant Work Permits are access devices to SSNs, State IDs and State Drivers Licenses with particular attention drawn to the evidence as to eligibility for public benefits, to the general welfare, tax burdens and economic prospects of the Public, to a broader issue who is and who is not a US citizen or US permanent resident as relates to eligibility for state benefits and services, to be licensed or who and who is not a United States citizen registered to vote, all of which above hereto are in violation of the Immigration Reform Control Act of 1986 (recitals; sectional references etc.)

    (Here the argument must emphasize that time is of the essence, that the State of ___________ cannot rely on action of Congress before irreparable harm is done, etc. )

    Importantly, the State of ___________ requests the Court enjoin all other States, the District of Columbia, the Federal Government of the Unites States of America and all US and Non-US manufactures of said CARDS for the following reason. Issuance of any of these CARDS outside the State of ___________ can and will (cite evidence of DACA histories) lead to the issuance of State IDs and State Driver Licenses in those jurisdictions which under (cite federal and state laws) require the State of ___________ to recognize and reciprocate such documents with new documents to be issued by the State of ___________ upon proof of residency. In other words, the illegal person’s documents are laundered masking evidence of the illegal person’s origin and status.

    Following on the previous paragraph, the other jurisdictions must be enjoined in the interest of National Security (here pleads irreparable harm ensues by the peril of free movement of persons associated with enemies of the United States).

    With respect to (3) of the Legal Standard:

    An injunction would not substantially injure other interested parties as those parties are defined as a class of foreign persons that are illegally in the United States by premeditated deliberate action (hereinafter referred to as illegal aliens, illegal persons or illegal class), that such illegal persons are not entitled to the welfare, benefits, opportunities and privileges afforded to legal residents of the State of ___________, that an injunction denying manufacture and issuance of the CARDS to such illegal persons will not further endanger or hazard their current condition as exists now in absence of the CARDS acknowledging the CARDS will be enabling of such illegal persons to improve their conditions but such enabling is prospective and irrelevant to the existing state of conditions characterizing this illegal class and to the fact that denying these CARDS will not impact their existing conditions. On the contrary the issuance of these CARDS will hazard the legal residents of the State of ___________ as described in detail in Exhibit Y (case recitals, etc.).

    With respect to (4) of the Legal Standard:

    The injunction requested would further public interest and in fact is vital to the continuation of good governing practices and to the effective execution of law enforcement function and to the broad stability of the public at large.

    (Here is written a persuasive argument and summary for the consequences that are in evidence of the burdens to society and governance; for example the tens of thousands of illegal voter registrations found in North Carolina of recently similarly documented DACA persons, the entrainment of hundreds of thousands more of illegal persons crossing the border where the CARDS provide direct impetus to such newly arrived persons, etc.)

    Remarks may also be made that neighboring countries have border and immigration controls that serve to check disruptive waves of a free-for-all rush to a failed border, etc.

    _______________________

    THE ABOVE will need to be written by a team of experienced attorneys at the disposal of a State Governor or a State AG with careful annotation and recitals. It is not necessary AT THIS STAGE to write a full case pleading. It is only necessary to adequately cover the Legal Standard above to allow the judge to draw a benefit of the doubt in favor of the State.

    Further tactics may be considered. The Motion for Preliminary Injunction may be filed in federal court in the DC Circuit. This will apply the federal injunctive order to all the States, the District of Columbia and to Contractors based outside the US, thereby preventing manufacture and issuance of these CARDS from any source and from any geographic area.

    IN SUM, this motion asks for a federal judge to put a hold on the CARDS until all of its ramifications can be ascertained and measured.

    Freepers should seek to find an attorney who is experienced in government matters and ask them to write a more polished draft motion according to this Legal Standard and possibly incorporating points similar to the above suggestions. It should be written as soon as possible (2 weeks max) and then presented to the State Governor’s Office or their State Attorney General’s Office.

    Here again is the link to a template that was adopted from a successful federal injunction against the Obama Administration:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3217959/posts

  • AP Finds Obama Grubered Immigration Speech

    11/22/2014 2:08:29 PM PST · 32 of 36
    Hostage to GeronL

    Nope, you missed the point completely. But that’s Ok because once you get up to speed you will see how to engage the fight.

    This is how you missed it. You wrote on our post #13:

    “remember that the next President can cancel an EO”

    First, there is no EO and you should humble yourself and acknowledge this and don’t feel bad because most missed it and even Fox News misreported it. So you’re part of a large group that was snookered by Obama. Here’s the first FR thread you should scan through:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3229944/posts

    Second, you advise that the next President can cancel an EO but you assume that the next President will be Republican because with probability one a democrat President will not cancel a democrat EO. But there is no EO for Obama’s Executive ‘action’ so it doesn’t matter anyways.

    Third, even for the sake of argument if there was an EO, there is not enough time to ensure a republican wins the Presidency in 2016. This is because the electoral map is biased towards democrats and all that is needed is about 5 million to 10 million votes or less votes in critical battlegrounds to cinch the Presidency for the democrat.

    Fourth, you need to read details of what Obama announced yesterday. One detail is that illegals can immediately start applying for their ‘limbo’ status and that their ‘limbo’ status will be good only for 3 years. Now you need to fully understand what this means. To understand the full impact of these statements of Obama’s is to understand his strategic plan.

    Once you understand what Obama is going for then if you care to fight you need to understand how to approach the fight and how to understand it. Start with these two links:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3229663/posts

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3229699/posts

    It’s a lot of reading and keeping up with the threads but the result is you will be fully informed and aware of what’s going on.

    The short takeaway summary is the fight focuses on production of millions of ID Cards for illegals and these cards lead to work permits, SSNs, State IDs, State Drivers Licenses and .... AND illegal V O T E R Registrations that will be managed by community organizers (now known as Community Service Officers) and the Motor-Voter Act will ensure the registrations are carried out. If you think this is far fetched, then you ignore the evidence of the last election:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/11/01/driver-licenses-id-cards-for-illegal-immigrants-causing-voting-concerns

    http://www.alipac.us/f9/report-10-000-illegal-aliens-registered-vote-north-carolina-313479/

    The DACA illegal voter registrations were a test trial. Now Obama is after the registration of not tens of thousands but of millions.

    One axiom you and I and everyone must accept:

    ONCE A VOTE BALLOT IS RECORDED IN THE SYSTEM OR MIXED IN THE BALLOT BOX, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO UNDO IT.

    You should now be getting a sense of what Obama is doing. He will allow illegals to apply so that their information can be used to issue them a CARD. He then protects them for 3 years so they can get registered to vote and the data base of their registrations will be used to create votes.

    There is a way, a very good way to stop Obama quickly. Read the above links and it should be clear.

  • Obama Grubered us Great on Immigration

    11/22/2014 1:28:01 PM PST · 11 of 16
    Hostage to txhurl

    Thanks for the ping. This is a good catch.

  • AP Finds Obama Grubered Immigration Speech

    11/22/2014 1:21:57 PM PST · 22 of 36
    Hostage to GeronL

    There is no EO. I know it was reported but no one has yet to find its text. Also immigration attorneys are confirming to their illegal clients that there is no EO. It was misreported.

    And by January 2017 it will be too late to do anything.

  • WHERE'S THE EO? IT'S ALL IN THE CARDS! (Hostage)

    11/22/2014 7:33:27 AM PST · 47 of 55
    Hostage to maggief; LucyT; Republicanprofessor; Nachum; null and void; WildHighlander57

    Crosslinking previous post to this thread.

  • PERRY SAYS SUING OBAMA ADMIN OVER AMNESTY A "VERY REAL POSSIBILITY" (Where is the EO?)

    11/22/2014 7:31:47 AM PST · 46 of 51
    Hostage to maggief; LucyT; Republicanprofessor; Nachum; null and void; WildHighlander57

    Pinging the previous #45 of this thread:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3229663/posts?page=45#45

    WildHighlander, are you keeper of the ping list?

  • WHERE'S THE EO? IT'S ALL IN THE CARDS! (Hostage)

    11/22/2014 7:27:28 AM PST · 46 of 55
    Hostage to Liz; WildHighlander57; Jane Long; ifinnegan; Riflema; Publius

    Crosslinking http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3229663/posts?page=45#45

    > “REALITY CHECK It is being reported that he will issue orders and not sign an E/O. The Las Vegas rally was billed as the “E/O signing ceremony.” Anybody actually see it?”

    Still not on the White House website where all EOs are listed:

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/executive-orders

    Jane Long posted (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3229699/posts?page=22#22) that Fox News reported Obama signed two EO’s on Air Force One while on the ground in Las Vegas but I don’t think the reporting actually witnessed what was signed. It may have appeared to be EOs. I may be going too far on a limb of cynicism here but then look at this thread that was posted by WildHighlander in #24 above:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3229811/posts

    The comments in the above thread could be accurate.

    We don’t have the text of the EO yet and Abbott’s office is on record as saying they will file in court as soon as possible after the EO is signed.

    Pay close attention to Jane Long’s link to the Fox News report because I detect something that ties to the CARDS that is very concerning and is very characteristic of what Obama would do:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/11/21/obama-signs-executive-action-delaying-deportations-for-millions-illegal

    In the above Fox News link it is written that:

    “During a 15-minute primetime speech Thursday, Obama said his administration will start accepting applications from illegal immigrants who seek the deferred actions.”

    and:

    “Those who qualify will be granted protections for three years, Obama said, as he laid out his sweeping plan to the public Thursday night from the East Room of the White House.”

    Obama will start having information via application gathered on the illegals and this information can be used for the CARDS.

    Further, Obama is granting only THREE years of reprieve to the illegals, why? I am guessing he is going to give his Community Organizers (now Community Service Officers) a short time to register the illegals to vote and that they better be voted for the democrat in 2016 else their legal status could be jeopardized in 2017.

    The bottom line is that Abbott’s office needs to file SOON with or without the EOs to stop the CARDS via Temporary Federal Restraining Order or Preliminary Federal Injunction. These Federal Court Orders are not difficult to obtain as Abbott has standing in his position as Texas Attorney General or as Governor of Texas. And these orders can delay the CARDS for at least a year and possibly two.

    Here’s the TEMPLATE link again for more information on how these Court Orders are assembled:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3217959/posts

  • PERRY SAYS SUING OBAMA ADMIN OVER AMNESTY A "VERY REAL POSSIBILITY" (Where is the EO?)

    11/22/2014 7:20:29 AM PST · 45 of 51
    Hostage to Liz; WildHighlander57; Jane Long; ifinnegan; Riflema; Publius

    > “REALITY CHECK It is being reported that he will issue orders and not sign an E/O. The Las Vegas rally was billed as the “E/O signing ceremony.” Anybody actually see it?”

    Still not on the White House website where all EOs are listed:

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/executive-orders

    Jane Long posted (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3229699/posts?page=22#22) that Fox News reported Obama signed two EO’s on Air Force One while on the ground in Las Vegas but I don’t think the reporting actually witnessed what was signed. It may have appeared to be EOs. I may be going too far on a limb of cynicism here but then look at this thread that was posted by WildHighlander in #24 above:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3229811/posts

    The comments in the above thread could be accurate.

    We don’t have the text of the EO yet and Abbott’s office is on record as saying they will file in court as soon as possible after the EO is signed.

    Pay close attention to Jane Long’s link to the Fox News report because I detect something that ties to the CARDS that is very concerning and is very characteristic of what Obama would do:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/11/21/obama-signs-executive-action-delaying-deportations-for-millions-illegal

    In the above Fox News link it is written that:

    “During a 15-minute primetime speech Thursday, Obama said his administration will start accepting applications from illegal immigrants who seek the deferred actions.”

    and:

    “Those who qualify will be granted protections for three years, Obama said, as he laid out his sweeping plan to the public Thursday night from the East Room of the White House.”

    Obama will start having information via application gathered on the illegals and this information can be used for the CARDS.

    Further, Obama is granting only THREE years of reprieve to the illegals, why? I am guessing he is going to give his Community Organizers (now Community Service Officers) a short time to register the illegals to vote and that they better be voted for the democrat in 2016 else their legal status could be jeopardized in 2017.

    The bottom line is that Abbott’s office needs to file SOON with or without the EOs to stop the CARDS via Temporary Federal Restraining Order or Preliminary Federal Injunction. These Federal Court Orders are not difficult to obtain as Abbott has standing in his position as Texas Attorney General or as Governor of Texas. And these orders can delay the CARDS for at least a year and possibly two.

    Here’s the TEMPLATE link again for more information on how these Court Orders are assembled:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3217959/posts

  • President Obama's Executive Action vs Ronald Reagan's Amnesty

    11/22/2014 12:19:22 AM PST · 9 of 11
    Hostage to Zhang Fei

    A few observations:

    Reagan’s grand and compassionate gesture to the illegal alien population garnered no respect for he or his party as most all illegal aliens today support democrats.

    How did Reagan’s experiment work out? The Center for Immigration Studies said in 2000:

    “About 2.7 million people received lawful permanent residence (“green cards”) in the late 1980s and early 1990s as a result of the amnesties contained in the Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA) of 1986. But these new INS figures show that by the beginning of 1997 those former illegal aliens had been entirely replaced by new illegal aliens, and that the unauthorized population again stood at more than 5 million, just as before the amnesty.”

    It did not work out. Reagan’s policy failed. But Reagan had no precedent to work from and hence no hindsight. Today we have hindsight; plenty of it.

    Reagan also had Congress backing him when he signed the Amnesty bill into law. But there was a very important condition attached to that bill and that was that the border would be secured so that millions of lawless aliens would never again need to be dealt with. It was a one-time shot.

    And to get an inside baseball look at what Rawhide was thinking before he died in 2004 it’s a good idea to go back to the raging storm of comprehensive immigration reform of 2006 where a person writes of it, a person that knew Rawhide’s politics better than anyone, his son Michael:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1634185/posts?page=101

    Reagan’s 1986 signing of the Amnesty Bill was supposed to end forever the problem of amassing millions of illegal aliens.

    Now the real question is: if illegal aliens having come to the USA over a time of loose border control, had availed themselves of the 1986 law to have themselves legalized, then what is the need now to legalize? If there are illegals today that were here in 1986, are they still in need of legalization? No.

    Then who today is in need of legalization? The obvious answer is those in need today are a new crop of illegals that ignored America’s laws. This right here is an indictment on the 1986 law. It did not work then, it will not work now.

    This is why Conservatives and almost all of the rest of American society are up in arms about what the democrats, Obama and the GOP Establishment are doing today.

  • PERRY SAYS SUING OBAMA ADMIN OVER AMNESTY A "VERY REAL POSSIBILITY" (Where is the EO?)

    11/21/2014 9:21:51 PM PST · 33 of 51
    Hostage to Jane Long; WildHighlander57; Publius

    I don’t think it’s coincidental at all.

    This line of CARD making business for General Dynamics barely registers on their financials; it’s so small. I am sure as I told Publius that the top brass at GD could be reassured that their core and most profitable businesses with the federal government would be untouched if they backed away from involvement in this ‘SURGE’ of CARD making.

    However, what’s small to GD overall can be a large chunk of business to the plant in Corbin, KY, hence why Rogers is blowing smoke.

    Cruz and Abbot need to get on top of this. What Conservative in the House can corner Rogers and read him the riot act or throw him a bone for his small GD group in KY?

  • PERRY SAYS SUING OBAMA ADMIN OVER AMNESTY A "VERY REAL POSSIBILITY" (Where is the EO?)

    11/21/2014 9:02:28 PM PST · 31 of 51
    Hostage to WildHighlander57

    No one is doing that I know. Don’t understand what is meant by Threat Matrix.

    My concern is Abbot’s office is waiting for the EOs to attach to their motion filing and he should’t wait because it may never come. I don’t trust the accuracy of the reporting from Fox News that reports Obama signed 2 EOs on AF1 today in Vegas. I have yet to see the actual signed EOs and they are not yet listed where other EOs are listed.

    Abbott does not need the EOs. He can file against the solicitation for the CARDS and he can use DACA issuance of CARDS as evidence and complicity in the fraud.

    Need to get this information to Abbott’s deputies so he can see how the other side is playing him.

  • PERRY SAYS SUING OBAMA ADMIN OVER AMNESTY A "VERY REAL POSSIBILITY" (Where is the EO?)

    11/21/2014 8:47:09 PM PST · 27 of 51
    Hostage to WildHighlander57
  • Kasich’s immigration views ‘evolved’ [He sucks to high Heaven]

    11/21/2014 8:43:44 PM PST · 11 of 28
    Hostage to bimboeruption

    He seems to think that Conservatives don’t have a hard luck story to tell or that we don’t feel compassionate to those that are in trouble.

    But those here illegally have brought lawlessness. We can look at them and say we empathize, we are sympathetic with the suffering they have endured and will endure but that the Rule of Law is more valuable for American society than is their willingness to break the law.

    People like Kasich think he’s ‘smarter” now, he’s more “grown up” now and his wife had a ‘friend’ who was deported and kids, etc. etc. What Kasich has become is weak and cowardly, unwillingly to put his life on the line for America and its Soverignty. He’s grown dimmer and compromised and yet he thinks he’s ‘smarter’.

    He’s got to go.

  • READ COPY OF SHERIFF ARPAIO'S LAWSUIT AGAINST OBAMA AMNESTY

    11/21/2014 8:35:33 PM PST · 8 of 17
    Hostage to Sasparilla

    No harm means no standing.

    Governors and State Attorney Generals have standing.

  • The Part of Obama's Immigration Speech that Media is Ignoring... And it's Dangerous

    11/21/2014 8:31:51 PM PST · 6 of 33
    Hostage to Tolerance Sucks Rocks

    > “So what did he do? Nothing. No seriously, Obama didn’t really do much of anything on the action front. He basically proclaimed that our government (his government these days) will no longer deport illegal immigrants.”

    Not quite. He is doing a lot behind the scenes. The most dangerous thing he doing concerns the CARDS.

    Read the Entire Thread here:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3229663/posts

  • PERRY SAYS SUING OBAMA ADMIN OVER AMNESTY A "VERY REAL POSSIBILITY" (Where is the EO?)

    11/21/2014 8:29:10 PM PST · 23 of 51
    Hostage to South40

    Perry is on his way out. I think he is talking about Abbott and what Abbot is gearing up to do. From what I have read of Greg Abbott, I like what I read.

  • WHERE'S THE EO? IT'S ALL IN THE CARDS! (Hostage)

    11/21/2014 2:48:09 PM PST · 45 of 55
    Hostage to dynoman

    > “Stupid. They haven’t been and weren’t going to be deported anyway. Why sign an executive order for something that wasn’t happening?”

    Good point but the EO was for the CARDS.

    An ID Card triggers issuance of SSNs and Work Permits, then state IDs and drivers licenses, then Motor-Voter registrations to vote even though they are not citizens.

    They will register to vote because that is what Obama’s community organizers such as ACORN will steer them to do. Once they are registered to vote, they will likely be voted by someone else.

    The entire scheme is to get millions of illegal votes ready for the 2016 elections.

    Once a vote gets into the ballot box and recorded in the system there is almost no way possible to get it back out.

  • WHERE'S THE EO? IT'S ALL IN THE CARDS! (Hostage)

    11/21/2014 2:25:04 PM PST · 42 of 55
    Hostage to Southack

    Here’s the *actual* card request (gasp, real research!):

    https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&tab=core&id=20bc202b0a49bbe9f2a705782dba0090&_cview=0

    Already beat you to it as the link is listed in the original body to this posting and also in Post #4.

  • WHERE'S THE EO? IT'S ALL IN THE CARDS! (Hostage)

    11/21/2014 2:22:25 PM PST · 41 of 55
    Hostage to Southack

    All bureacracies are Congressionally funded. The GSA reports to the President and its Administrator is appointed by the President. Here is the current profile of the Administrator:

    “Dan Tangherlini was sworn in as Administrator of the U.S. General Services Administration (GSA) on July 5, 2013, following his 15 months of service as the Acting Administrator of GSA. Since joining the agency, he has served a vital role in President Barack Obama’s agenda to build a more sustainable, responsible and effective government for the American people.”

    This fellow works for Obama.

  • Obama signs executive orders delaying deportations for millions of illegal immigrants

    11/21/2014 2:09:14 PM PST · 10 of 17
    Hostage to dware

    Yes, it was just reported minutes ago by Fox. But they have not yet appeared on the website where all EOs are listed.

    A copy of the EOs are necessary to be attached to legal motions that are planned by Governors and State Attorney Generals.

    If you find they have been listed and are downloadable, please share.

  • WHERE'S THE EO? IT'S ALL IN THE CARDS! (Hostage)

    11/21/2014 2:07:07 PM PST · 38 of 55
    Hostage to Southack

    Oh yes indeed I have researched the background from government and Congressional websites. The number of visas allowed for working and studying are less than a million per year and the limits and conditions are set by Congress, not the White House.

    Obama’s current actions greatly exceed the legal limits and greatly expand the conditions that the law allows.

  • WHERE'S THE EO? IT'S ALL IN THE CARDS! (Hostage)

    11/21/2014 2:01:36 PM PST · 36 of 55
    Hostage to Southack; Democrat_media

    I’ll chime in on that question.

    The President is authorized to permit a foreign citizen to work in the USA but the number of such work permits and the criteria for granting those work permits are set by Congress.

    The President’s latest EO Speech goes around Congress on the limits and conditions they have imposed and that currently make up the law. Ergo, Obama is violating the law.

  • WHERE'S THE EO? IT'S ALL IN THE CARDS! (Hostage)

    11/21/2014 1:58:19 PM PST · 34 of 55
    Hostage to Dawn53Fl

    Yes, you are correct. GD will continue in this line of business but legal action will curtail and limit their card making to those levels authorized by Congress.

    This is the key battleground of the entire issue of Executive Amnesty which is, repeating for the benefit of those tuning in, to shutdown and defund the CARDS associated with the AMNESTY EOs. Stopping the CARDS stops Obama and causes his plan to fail.

  • WHERE'S THE EO? IT'S ALL IN THE CARDS! (Hostage)

    11/21/2014 1:54:38 PM PST · 31 of 55
    Hostage to Southack

    I’ll let others deal with your skewed thoughts, but I will point out a huge flaw in your assertions:

    Background checks are meaningless to tens of millions of illegals who have never been documented. At most background checks may catch a handful of hardened criminals but those criminals will not be coming forward in all likelihood. Known criminals will continue as they do now to steal identities.

    I do understand the federal procurement process and I understand that General Dynamics has been called out to handle the “SURGE” of cards.

    The FACT is this solicitation is illegal on its face as there is no law, no Congressional Authorization, no appropriation that allows this solicitation to exist.

  • PERRY SAYS SUING OBAMA ADMIN OVER AMNESTY A "VERY REAL POSSIBILITY" (Where is the EO?)

    11/21/2014 1:46:46 PM PST · 20 of 51
    Hostage to bestintxas

    Part of the prosecution of this war is finances, supplies and provisions.

    We need the Texas Governor to shut down the CARDS because the CARDS are the weapons that lead to work permits, SSNs, welfare and Obamacare benefits and....AND .... ILLEGAL VOTER REGISTRATIONS.

  • PERRY SAYS SUING OBAMA ADMIN OVER AMNESTY A "VERY REAL POSSIBILITY" (Where is the EO?)

    11/21/2014 1:42:52 PM PST · 18 of 51
    Hostage to DoughtyOne

    They are Liars of the First Order.

  • WHERE'S THE EO? IT'S ALL IN THE CARDS! (Hostage)

    11/21/2014 1:37:51 PM PST · 25 of 55
    Hostage to Jane Long

    Thank you! But please continue to forward the information about the CARDS and about General Dynamics!

  • WHERE'S THE EO? IT'S ALL IN THE CARDS! (Hostage)

    11/21/2014 1:36:08 PM PST · 23 of 55
    Hostage to Publius

    It’s good to be afraid of what lurks in dark closets. But sometimes you just need to muster the courage to get a flashlight and shine away the fear.

  • WHERE'S THE EO? IT'S ALL IN THE CARDS! (Hostage)

    11/21/2014 1:34:42 PM PST · 21 of 55
    Hostage to Jane Long; Publius

    See #12 and #17 and send those on too. Publius is right to be concerned but when put in context, the concern is not so dramatic.

  • WHERE'S THE EO? IT'S ALL IN THE CARDS! (Hostage)

    11/21/2014 1:32:25 PM PST · 17 of 55
    Hostage to Publius

    Not accurate and too cynical. GD has been taken to the carpet many many times and this line of business is of little consequence to their bottom line. All republicans need to do is console them that there will be no repercussions to their larger business and they will walk away from card making.

  • WHERE'S THE EO? IT'S ALL IN THE CARDS! (Hostage)

    11/21/2014 1:25:21 PM PST · 8 of 55
    Hostage to skeeter

    It’s nowhere to be found on the internet. Whatever he signed should be listed where all EOs are listed. So far it doesn’t show up.

    The point is that it is not needed but Abbott’s staff are waiting for the officially signed EO to attach to a filing for the Court. But they don’t need it! They can shut down the card making and put a stop to the entire lawless operation.

    There are rumors that the Obama people are keeping it hidden or they are not releasing it. In the meantime they are ordering General Dynamics to ramp up the card making.

  • WHERE'S THE EO? IT'S ALL IN THE CARDS! (Hostage)

    11/21/2014 1:21:40 PM PST · 6 of 55
    Hostage to Tennessee Nana

    He’s a liar isn’t he?

  • WHERE'S THE EO? IT'S ALL IN THE CARDS! (Hostage)

  • WHERE'S THE EO? IT'S ALL IN THE CARDS! (Hostage)

    11/21/2014 1:16:15 PM PST · 1 of 55
    Hostage
    From the above link to the http://www.conservativehq.com/node/18929:

    Anyone who thinks Washington is not riddled with and run by a legal form of corruption should read Matt Boyle’s article in Breitbart about the ties between Congressman Hal Rogers, Chairman of the House Appropriations Committee and the most outspoken advocate of facilitating Obama’s illegal executive amnesty with an omnibus spending bill, and General Dynamics, the giant government contractor that has a plant in Rogers’ district and has donated thousands of dollars to his campaigns.

    As Boyle’s exclusive investigative report reveals (link at the end of this article) General Dynamics at a plant in Hal Rogers’ district in Corbin, Kentucky, already prints green cards, work permits, IDs, and other documents for immigrants under a long-term multi-million-dollar contract with U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS). (link to Matt Boyle’s article at the end of this piece)

    It turns out that after its employees donated $10,000 to Rogers’ campaign this year and thousands in previous cycles, General Dynamics is in the running to print the millions of green cards, social security cards and other IDs that illegal aliens would receive if Obama declares an illegal executive amnesty.

    Now here’s an interesting tidbit to help connect the dots of the financial ties between Congressman Rogers and General Dynamics.

    According to an article Boyle dug-up in Government Security News magazine “Along with its team member, LaserCard Corp… General Dynamics oversees the production of 1.5 to 2.0 million green cards each year; another 1.0 to 1.5 million cards for people with ‘temporary protected status’; 300,000 to 400,000 Transportation Worker Identification Credentials, called TWIC cards; and a slew of ‘Employment Authorization Documents,’ known as EAD cards…” and this was back in 2011.

    Read the rest at the link above.

    SHUT DOWN FUNDING OF GENERAL DYNAMICS FOR MANUFACTURING THESE AMNESTY CARDS! SHUT DOWN FUNDING OF ANY FEDERAL OR STATE CONTRACTOR FOR MANUFACTURING AMNESTY CARDS!

    SHUTTING DOWN THE MANUFACTURE OF AMNESTY CARDS PUTS A FULL STOP TO OBAMA'S PLAN!