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Aside from the fact that the God of the Bible has no leftist/Marxist ideology whatsoever...

Moore is trying to force his perception of Christian values on others?
I thought the left wanted freedom from Christian morals in this country...

What a shock.

“I see we have another futurist body buster here.”

“Of course they is, in your mind, because you are making this stuff up as you go.”

“If you have any verses I’m sure it would be easy.”

Are you even a Christian topcat?

I ask because I don’t see any fruit in the way you treat others.
I would love to discuss verses on problematic, unbiblical Replacemnt Theology.

But that pearls before swine keeps coming to mind.

You are blinded by your pride.

“OK, my friend, I’m familiar with the passage. Tell us that that means.”

There’s no symbolism there. It means what it says. One day a remnant of Israel shall be saved, the remnant will not be part of the Church.
The members that are saved will be alive at the Second Coming, therefore they will be the ones to repopulate the earth during MK. The Bible tells us (I will write the verse if you like) that the children born to Israel in the MK will automatically be believers.
Unlike the Gentiles who will also repopulate.

“There is not one verse in the Bible that identifies modern Israel with biblical Israel.”

?? There is a difference between Israel now and Israel then, obviously.
There had to be a gathering in “unbelief” before a gathering in “belief”. That happened in 1948. Or 1967, if you consider control of Jerusalem the true turning point.

“You might want to read this challenge first. To this list I would add an additional item; that modern Israel does not occupy the same land promised by God to Abraham (Gen. 15:18).”

That is correct. But they will in the MK.
Israel will also lose control during Trib when the Antichrist goes into full hate mode after the AoD.

I looked at that link, I read some responses to your post and your rebuttals. It looks like you are set in your own belief, so I think writing out a bunch of verses would be futile.
Unless it isn’t.

“Ah, another expert.”

I suppose you are the real expert here?

“..describe anyone who disagrees with futurist zionists and their view of modern, secular Israel”

Did you not read that Romans quote? Israel has a partial hardening...UNTIL the fullness of the Gentile come in..

There is plenty of Scripture that is laid out (mostly in the OT) showing us that Modern Israel is prophesied and why God commands His Church to support it.

I would lay those out so we could discuss them, but it seems you’re only interested in name calling, yes?

“Sorry, but it is a boogeyman term”

Replacement Theology messes everything up.

It messes with Christ’s will for His Church to see Israel the way He sees it..

And it confuses people on what certain end-time prophesies really mean.

(NASB) Romans 11:25 - For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;

“..you will not be wise in your own estimation” <— That is exactly what happens when Israel is tossed.

That pretty much sums it up.

(NASB) Galatians 3:28 - There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

LOL!

Freepers are THE best people at dry humor on the planet.

You guys make me laugh every day, in the midst of this damage.

Umm...why did Oprah do this? Just to give people a free meal?
These pple have to have the internet (so they can get the coupon), but they can’t afford a cheap meal at KFC?
She might as well have just passed it on to people who are literally in need.
Like people who can’t even afford to get their grubby paws on a coupon.

“Enacting gay marriage laws nationwide will unleash the AIDS disease completely.”

The left has the nerve to say that having gay marriage will make gays be more monogamous, therefore they won’t spread that disease anymore.
I swear people who fall for their BS are the biggest fools on the planet.

to add to yours...”America has become a nation of baby killing homosexual TOTALITARIANS.”

“The adoption system is now virtually a North American phenomena - most other countries realize how barbaric it is toward mothers and children.”

This is one of the most disgusting things I’ve ever heard.

When leftists argue for abortion - they call it “Women’s Rights.” When actually, it’s about the rights of the unborn. In reality, it isn’t about controlling what a woman does with her own body. But about what she does with another person’s life.

So, since they believe abortion is about women’s right, they also think adoption is about women’s rights. They think of adoption as making the mother go thru something horrid b/c she has to “let go” of her baby. It has nothing to do with what’s best for the child, but what’s best for the mother. I mean the poor thing can’t let her baby go off with people in a loving home, can she? She’d rather kill it so she’ll never have to witness that separation.

But this is a win/win/win situation. The mother can let her baby have life, and keep it at the same time. Or, she could make sure it goes to a home of her choice. Leftists choose lose/lose/lose.

I don't know about the hippies, but the parts of the left that have damaged this country are bonafied control freaks.

I wouldn't put it past them to try and stop any red state from leaving.

Despite the fact that they seem to have a lack of knowledge, they do know where the hardworkers live and therefore how much less tax $$ that would be.

“Just now arrived back home from attending the Tea Party in Louisville, KY. (I live in southern Indiana and this was the one closest to me, as far as I know.) Saw lots of Indiana folks there, though.

AWESOME!!!!!

Local media was CERTAINLY there!!”

About how many people were there? I couldn’t go.
And I don’t trust Kentuckiana media to tell the truth.

“I am under the impression that the American Democrat Jews are as fallen as the Democratic Christians, and could care less about their Israeli heritage and “homeland”. If it doesn’t happen in America, then it won’t happen to them personally. Middle-eastern Jews be damned.
Am I wrong?”

Secular American Jews don’t care about Israel. I don’t care what ANYONE says ... when you defend Palestine over Israel, when you defend what Hamas has done and then say Israel is the terrorist, you are defying common sense, plain and simple. Or you only read extreme left wing drivel.
Leftists for years have been trying to convince people that Anti-Israel does not equal Antisemitism. So many people fall for it.
And some secular Jews seem to also think they’re in the clear, since they don’t “practice” their faith that no one will come after them. False.

Anyway, Israel as a nation is notorious for minding her own business. All they ask for is some other nations to be an ally. No more than any other nation asks.
So when the Palestinians vote in terrorist organizations like Hamas to “lead” them, they are asking for trouble. And when someone chooses to ignore everything Israel has had to endure, and then chooses to blame them for their own woes, regardless of how many Middle East leaders have said Israel need to be “wiped off the map”, the only explanation is an irrational dislike or hatred for Jews.

I mean, think of all the people in January protesting Israel in CA...many of them had signs saying “I am a Jew and I’m anti-Zionism”..standing next to a Muslim shouting “death to Israel!” I don’t doubt for one second that if sharia law was in place here, that Muslim would have killed that Jew. Even though they *seem* to be on the same side.

I be wrong about some of this as I tend to go on a bit much...but that’s my perspective.

Re: “..but we don’t want him here either. Maybe he’ll go visit Africa or something.”

It does feel like a certain burden has been slighty lifted since he’s been away.
Like the mean stepdad went out of town for work giving us a reprieve to do as we please. Then when he returns, so do the anxiety levels.

UFO’s and/or “alien” beings have long been suspected by biblical scholars to be possibly real. A real work of the Devil, that is.

God says in the end days the devil will come up with all sorts of “signs and wonders” to fool people into believing he is all powerful. To turn them from God, or to disract them.

While I think there are many people out there who cry “UFO” just for attention, I don’t doubt that many have actually seen odd things.

They are not from God, though.

It talks about creatures called Nephilim in the Bible, Genesis chapter 6:

“The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them: the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.”

“I agree, but it seems FOX is always days behind. I hear info on Rush and other shows days before I hear it on Fox.”

ugh. This is so true. Not just the regular news, but also the commentators. WITH the exception of Glenn Beck, who is always on top. I think it’s his staff.
And Rush is keeping up with the news while he’s on the air, so...

When the AIG bonus news first came out, O’Reilly was on his high horse “They *should* take the bonuses away!!” Hello??? This was when Rush and Beck were already saying hell no.
Then O’Reilly hasn’t been there for a few days, he better admit he was wrong before. I know he won’t though.
He can’t even admit The One could be a socialist, much less something worse than that.

“Please, however, do not call me a “Christian Zionist,” only a Christian; as no follower of Christ should have divided loyalties.”

I never called you anything.

I stand by my statement. If a person supports a Jewish nation (in this case it has to be Israel b/c that’s what was prophesied in the Bible), then you are a Zionist. I’m sorry if you don’t like the meaning of the word.

I’m not sure what you mean by *divided loyalties*, as I’m a bit foggy atm, but when God says whoever blesses you will be blessed and whoever curses you will be cursed, He means what He says.

“Every person has a right to be rich in this country and I want to help them get there. And when they get there, if times are good, we can have them give back or pay higher taxes.”

Wow. The guy still doesn’t get it. *bangs head against wall*

So what’s the point of getting rich? Where’s the incentive when you know eventually over half of it will be taken in taxes?

If anyone is a true Christian, and they don’t support Israel, they are in for a very rude awakening. And I don’t think God’s averse to knocking them upside the head to accomplish that awakening.

There are many strong messages in the Bible, but one of the main lessons is PROTECT MY ISRAEL. And God will protect you.

Christians have no excuse for not being Zionists. None.

“Post as lengthily as you wish. I think you have a lot of wisdom and understanding I could learn from.”

What a sweet compliment, glad I could help.