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SPRINGFIELD, Ohio (WDTN) — The City of Springfield is speaking out against misinformed claims that have been disseminated across various communication channels. The city released a response to the claims that have circulated over the past few weeks, calling out the dangers of spreading false information and the impact that its had on the community.

Good. Does this mean they are going to stop lying about the third world sh*thole Haitians eating pets and local wildlife?

Are they gonna stop lying about all the destruction the Haitians are committing?

The two things are not analogous at all.

Innocent people deserve more than "pretty sure".

Not in war they don't. If you have an operation that can severely injure 4,000 enemy soldiers but might harm 10-100 civilians, you are a d@mn fool if you don't do it.

That a very small number of civilians might be harmed, is not a rational reason to forebear killing or injuring 4,000 enemy soldiers.

How many civilians will die by letting all those soldiers live?

Your calculations are leaving out the deaths that would be caused by the terrorists. Those are much more likely than possible injuries or deaths caused to civilians caught in the attack on the terrorists.

My standards? My standards? Just sit through one single briefing by a JAG officer on the Laws of Armed Conflict. There's a reason anyone under U.S. jurisdiction would have refused to set this up and carried it out because they know they'd be charged for any innocent deaths.

We like to believe we have that luxury. The Israelis don't.

This thing is so lopsided on the side of killing/injuring terrorists, that it is unimaginable that the downside possibility of any civilians getting hurt could offset the huge benefit of hurting the terrorists.

Any one of those holding the device, guilty or not, could have been holding a child or filling a car with gasoline.

If you weigh that possibility over the value of the targets killed or injured, it is well worth the risk.

People terrorists associate with are not friends of Israel. "Innocent" becomes a question of degree.

Are "innocent" people feeding terrorists? Providing them with shelter? Comforting them?

Very blurred line between terrorists and collaborating "innocents."

This article assumes that all who were injured were terrorists and that no innocent bystanders were injured as well.

Why would you assume anyone but terrorists were injured? I'm pretty sure they knew their targets or else they would not have been able to activate their pagers.

Pagers are usually coded for an individual, but you can set them up to do a group call. Pretty sure anyone in that group call would have to be a terrorist.

Why would you have a group call for terrorists, and then add people unrelated to that activity? It's just a security leak.

No. It makes sense that everyone injured or killed was Hezbollah.

How to we do that while still respecting the First Amendment? Because I'm extremely reluctant to open the door to limiting speech - including media speech - that we don't like.

The broadcasting system used to be regarded as a public resource, because there was limited bandwidth and the spectrum was controlled by the government, ostensibly for the benefit of all Americans.

While the bandwidth is effectively no longer limited, the existing broadcasting system is viewed by the majority of the public as still acting in the public's best interest, and it is also viewed as non-partisan, which is the consequence of the carefully cultivated efforts by the government back in the 1950s and 1960s to keep it non-partisan. The "equal time" requirement was the system they used to do it.

There is no suggestion of "limiting speech" by censoring the media-liars. The only rational way to break the system is by forcing equal time. The media-liars can still say whatever they want, but what they wouldn't be able to do any longer is to lie or mislead or omit, without our side being able to point out the lie, point out the misdirection, or talk about a story or issue the media-liars want kept buried.

The answer to bad speech, is good speech, not the censorship of bad speech.

When bad speech people understand that good speech people will come right behind them and expose their lie, their misdirection, or their omission of important facts and stories, the bad speech people will *STOP DOING IT!*

Just think. If every *#%$& Media-liar knew their lie would be immediately exposed, or every story they tried to cover up would be brought out anyway, they would avoid the embarrassment and they would actual tell the truth.

They only do their corrupt stuff because they know they control the airwaves and nobody can stop them from lying to the public, or misleading the public, or covering up stuff that would make the public vote differently.

When they know they will be caught, they won't do it.

The prerequisite for any "equal time" analysis is someone in government having the power to characterize speech, determine what "side" that speech is on, and approve/disapprove who gets to respond.

That is a presumption which I reject. The government doesn't have to make a determination regarding the particulars of speech. They only have to address complaints that the opposition party did not get equal time.

I'm going to end my comment with this quote from Benjamin Franklin in his essay "apology for printers."

"Printers are educated in the Belief, that when Men differ in Opinion, both Sides ought equally to have the Advantage of being heard by the Publick; and that when Truth and Error have fair Play, the former is always an overmatch for the latter: Hence they chearfully serve all contending Writers that pay them well, without regarding on which side they are of the Question in Dispute."

Howard Stern Says He 'Hates' Anyone Who Votes For Trump After Second Assassination Attempt

We don't care. I never had any respect for that sh*t monger anyway.

Would your amendment include curbs on birthright citizenship?

What does that mean in your understanding?

I think the only way to truly solve the immigration problem is with a constitutional amendment. The problem with any legislative compromise is that the compromise can easily be reversed by a subsequent Congress/President, just as happened to Reagan with IRCA in 1986.

I keep saying this. I say it almost every day. I've been saying it for over two decades, yet the message doesn't seem to sink in for most people.

Break the media-lie-system, and the nation heals itself. The media-liars exist for the sole purpose of ensuring "elite" control of mass communications. They are literally the voice of "elite" control of the government.

The media-lie-system works to elect liberals, because liberals open the purse strings of Washington DC, and so many "elite" make their riches through the exploitation of the government spending and policy, both legally, (through management of government programs and receiving government contracts), and illegally. (through the sale of influence, policy, regulations, etc, like Joe Biden does)

The media-liars are part of the corrupt industry of government, and they control the propaganda the public is allowed to hear, always with the intent to influence the public to support liberal causes and ideas, because liberals in power means wealth for the "elite" and their cronies.

It is a system to exploit government for private profit.

Break the media-lie-system, force the *OTHER SIDE* (us) to have the same air time as the liars, and the nation heals itself. Policies which are idiotic and destructive to the nation will not be supported by the people when they can see people on television talking about how these policies are idiotic and destructive to the nation.

The propaganda system is the lynchpin of politics. It is how people make their decisions to vote. If it feeds them liberal bullsh*t all day every day, the dumber portion of the population will buy into it and vote liberal.

We fix the media-lie-system, and we fix everything.

That just isn’t so. While I wish to return to pre-17th Amendment government, I would reluctantly settle for a non-tyrannical Scotus and elimination of the Deep State

At least with poor amendments like the 16th - 18th, we did them to ourselves and can repeal them, which we did with the 18th and which an informed people would do to the 16th and 17th.

This is another thing I often find annoying. People focus on wrongheaded amendments like the 16th, the 17th, and the 18th amendments, but never seem to be bothered by three that I consider to be the worst.

The 14th, (Anchor babies, abortion, gay marriage, banning prayer in schools, rewriting "natural born citizen", expanding interstate "commerce" etc.)

The 24th, (Giving *NON* taxpayers the right to vote. Creating our welfare state, and bloating our federal bureaucracy.)

And the 26th. (Letting stupid 18 year olds vote when they haven't yet had to live in an adult economy.)

Yes, your's are bad, but mine are just as bad and in some cases, worse.

Can we agree that most of the amendments after the first 10, suck?

Please, whatever you do, don’t read the article.

I did read the article. I thought it was well written. However, I am very much aware of the shortcomings of all the hand waving from the Federalists trying to ignore all the concerns of the anti-Federalists.

The anti-Federalists never get the respect they deserve, and pretty much the bad things they predicted would happen, did happen.

Yes, I know you want to focus on your Article V convention stuff, but *I* like to focus on how Federalism has failed.

Indeed, had it not gotten so bloated, and predictably so as the anti-Federalists had foretold, we would not now be needing to discuss the potential fix which might be had from an Article V convention.

If only they had taken seriously the anti-federalist's predictions for what the Federal government would grow into in terms of tyranny and oppression.

It only took "four score and seven years" for the thing to go off the rails.

Hillary Clinton suggests jailing Americans for posting "misinformation"

I agree. Start with that nasty corrupt bitch, grab everyone from ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, FOX, NPR, and then start working on the New York Times, Washington Post and Los Angeles Times staff.

Just putting these news-liars in jail would likely correct course for the entire nation.

The nation is so screwed up because these liars constantly feed false and misleading information out to the voters in order to manipulate elections.

'A stab in the back.' How Elon Musk's decision to move X from San Francisco is stirring mixed emotions

San Fransicko deserves every bad thing that can possibly happen to it.

They are fortunate they haven't yet been buried under fire and brimstone.

All of Trump’s children (except Tiffany) were born to a US Citizen father and an alien mother.

Yes or no, are they natural born citizens?

According to the standards in place in 1787, they are absolutely natural born citizens.

You keep reiterating this point as if you aren't even reading what I have already written.

The mothers don't matter unless a child is born out of wedlock. That is the only condition in which the mother's citizenship applies.

This is someone doing something that is actually useful.

Thank God the idiot courts aren't involved, because they would screw it up.

Sweden’s right-wing government said this week that it will drastically increase grants to incentivize migrants to leave the country and go home after citizens have revolted to the flood of migrants. The once migrant-friendly nation is upping its offer by 35 times to more than $34,000 to those who leave the country,

Given the sh*tty people they have let in, it will be cheaper in the long run to pay them to go somewhere else.

It would be cheaper still just to beat on them till they run away. Should never have let that third world trash in in the first place.

Little George Stephanopolous should have long ago gotten his teeth knocked out for being a partisan Democrat liar on a mass communications broadcasting system.

ABC’s fact checking would have been more effective if further investigation did not reveal that Trump was right. The ABC moderators will be forever disgraced.

"Disgraced"? What does that do to them? What they need are bloody noses and knocked out teeth.

There should be real physical consequences to people who attempt to manipulate elections by controlling what the public sees and hears.