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The rate of technological change is so fast—that its not prudent to out past ten years as to the price of energy.

My own opinion is that US oil demand is going to go into a death spiral which will put permanent downward pressure on the price oil.

That downward pressure will come from two directions. the first is the pickens plan which is pushing big vehicles over to natural gas.

the second is Tesla motors. here my confidence is not so much in the electric car but the guy who heads up the company: Elon Musk. He is in the same league as bill gates and bill jobs.

then there’s just the unknown. the last five years have produced several big changes in the internet including the move to hand held devices and the social web. in the energy patch the last five years have produced the fracking revolution.

Its quite likely the next five years will produce equally stunning changes. the five years after that will likely do the same thing again.

10 years from now the world will be science fiction to us now.

But, let’s be real... W didn’t do much about it either. NO President, or administration has done much about it, ever.
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Agree. Well Eisenhower tried an ambitious deportation plan but he was stopped by pictures of people being deported
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It’s not possible to PHYSICALLY STOP EVERYONE from entering this country illegally. But, we can make it a LOT harder for them.... then,
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The israelis have done a very good job of stopping terrorists and illegal emigrants from crossing the sinai desert with their fence. so the job can be done effectively. what they hey. the fence at south of san diego did a good job of pushing illegals east into arizona.

An effective border could be constructed.
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But, we can make it a LOT harder for them....,

the problem is that’s not whats on the table. all of the border enforcement provisions are weasel worded “could” “should” “may” “might”.

We’ll have at the border about what we have now.

What do we have now?.
We have more illegals coming over the border because they have heard about the new amnesty bill.

You say but they won’t be granted amnesty (legalization)because they’ll have entered the country too late? You mean, just like the 1986 bill kept more illegals from entering the country. when you read mexicans talk about reagan’s 1986 bill — they talk about it as the USA surrendering.

That’s pretty much what this current bill is. A surrender.

What is on the table in the current bill is a.)legalization leading to citizenship of anyone in the country before two years ago plus no more deportations of anyone not committing any hideously embarrassing crime. b.) no more border controls than are currently being done. c.)set up of the next amnesty program in 20 years or less.

Now here’s the kicker.

Most of the people being given a path citizenship are democrat voters. And not just democrat voters — they are members of a permanent government supported underclass. who in their generation alone will cost the US tax payer 6 trillion dollars. they will vote as solidly democrat as American blacks have since lyndon johnson bought and paid for them with the great society programs back in the 1960’s. oh and those great society programs would not have passed without northern republican votes. hopelessly arrogant and incompetent republicans.

This is a complicated issue... NOT made easier when you post nonsense like that.
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bull monkey. Try to understand something...anything about the way things really work. otherwise you’re just another silly republican suicide.

There are already three or four levels of laws that govern the border not least of which is reagan’s 1986 bill. That one’s still in force and its not being obeyed. It never was enforced. It never was obeyed. Except for the amnesty part. The border security part was just ignored.

The federal government just like Mexico’s or Canada’s federal government — has the responsibility to enforce the border. But they’re not doing it.

Why would another stinking border law cause them to change their behavior. The president enforces only the laws that please him.

it does not please him to control the border.

get it?

the only thing that would happen with the new law is that the democrats would pocket the amnesty (legalization) provisions and ignore the rest.

that’s it.

they have no incentive to do otherwise. rather they have every incentive to disobey the law as they are doing now. and there’s no one to stop them.

You sound like an intelligent man. why is this so difficult for you to understand.

I mean presumably you’re at the very least a republican.

Of course, if you’re a democrat — hey you’re within inches of getting ultimate inter-generational control over the federal bureaucracy. all you have to do is keep blowing smoke at silly supercilious pubbies.

of course giving the dems the keys to white house for a generation or two is a sure way to kill the republic in about the way Hugo Chavez and his heirs are doing so in Venezuela.

I don’t think that’s correct.. He said, in Spanish, that LEGALIZATION comes first... that’s NOT citizenship. He’s ALWAYS been saying that. It’s an important distinction.
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No its not. Why not? because that’s not the way things work. the instant the illegals are legalized—then all that happens is that the lines are redrawn. the democrats will now argue that the legal status without citizenship is like the 3/5ths compromise.

duh get it? so they will hold all border action until the legalized illegals are made citizens and the border is never secured because it is the source of new democrats—and they can do that without breaking a sweat because the language in the bill for border enforcement is pure mush. and the dems get a lock on the federal government by getting a lock on either Florida or Texas—which is all they need. they already have an inter-generational lock on new york Illinois California Massachusetts. Oh yeah. because the border is not secure a new batch of illegals will come through for which the whole thing will need to be done over again in 20 years. meanwhile republicans are put out of national office permanently.

the democrats believe they are negotiating with the republicans for total republican surrender forever.

mia dia I hope and pray you understand this.

This is a KEY point for me.. and, as far as I know.. NOT yet decided. Rubio has been saying, all along, that the border MUST be declared “secure” BEFORE citizenship is granted.
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he has been saying that in english.

in spanish he says that the amnesty is granted period. the border will be secured sometime later.

lit. crit. says that Moloch is a symbol for the anti-otherness in 50’s American society.
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Presumably today our rulers are anti-otherness people.

Certainly I’ve seen the culture of the Columbia and the upper west side of Manhattan and the village—of the 70’s and 80’s become mainstream in the USA in the 2010’s

When I was in my last year in Manhattan back in 1990, I read a book —just translated from the original spanish. The book was written by Hernando Cortez’s lieutenant. a guy by the name of Bernal Diaz. He was known as Cortez’s oldest lieutenant. His book was “The Conquest of New Spain”. He recounted the stories of Cortez’s conquest. They were fairly familiar stories. But there was one twist. Something you don’t read about at all anywhere else but with Diaz. He relates that the Aztec priests were homosexuals. That they would “act up” right in front of Cortez. This would offend Cortez greatly. (If you want to read the book, there is a free copy here. http://ebookbrowse.com/bernal-diaz-the-conquest-of-new-spain-pdf-d293703560

I suddenly realized that Cortez’s reaction and that of his men was much the same as that of Moses and Joshua when confronted with similar behavior by the Canaanites.

Further that the culture that supports homosexuality also supports abortion. The two are morally related in that they are both immense vanities. Further that since these two peoples the Aztecs and the Caanites had no knowledge of each other—that people left to their own devices—are naturally bad to bone. Or as Romans 3:23 puts it “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God”

lit. crit. says that Moloch is a symbol for the anti-otherness in 50’s American society. I wrote that Moloch was more like the refining fire seen in Yeats’ “Sailing to Byzantium” and present in many other poems by minority poets, etc. It’s almost a Jungian symbol for poets.

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From Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch

Moloch (representing Semitic מלך m-l-k, a Semitic root meaning "king") – also rendered as Molech, Molekh, Molok, Molek, Molock, Moloc, Melech, Milcom or Molcom – is the name of an ancient Ammonite god.[1] Moloch worship was practiced by the Canaanites, Phoenician and related cultures in North Africa and the Levant.

As a god worshipped by the Phoenicians and Canaanites, Moloch had associations with a particular kind of propitiatory child sacrifice by parents. Moloch figures in the Book of Deuteronomy and in the Book of Leviticus as a form of idolatry (Leviticus 18:21: "And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Moloch"). In the Old Testament, Gehenna was a valley by Jerusalem, where apostate Israelites and followers of various Baalim and Caananite gods, including Moloch, sacrificed their children by fire (2 Chr. 28:3, 33:6; Jer. 7:31, 19:2–6).

Moloch has been used figuratively in English literature from John Milton's Paradise Lost (1667) to Allen Ginsberg's "Howl" (1955), to refer to a person or thing demanding or requiring a very costly sacrifice.

Biblical texts

The word here translated literally as 'seed' very often means offspring. The forms containing mlk have been left untranslated. The reader may substitute either "to Moloch" or "as a molk".

According to Biblical texts, the laws given to Moses by God expressly forbade the Israelites to do what was done in Egypt or in Canaan.

Leviticus 18:21:

‘Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molek, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the LORD.

Leviticus 20:2–5:

Again, you shall say to the Sons of Israel: Whoever he be of the Sons of Israel or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that gives any of his seed l'Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones. And I will set my face against that man and will cut him off from among his people; because he has given of his seed l'Molech, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name. And if the people of the land do at all hide their eyes from that man, when he gives of his seed l'Molech, and do not kill him, then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off, and all that go astray after him, whoring l'Molech from among the people.

Jeremiah 32:35:

And they built the high places of the Ba‘al, which are in the valley of Ben-hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire l'Molech; which I did not command them, nor did it come into my mind that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.

>> hell I don’t even know what omnisexual is.

The guy describes blades of grass sensually.
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doesn’t sound like you’re disagreeing with DH Lawrence’s analysis.

Nope no black swans in there! Nothing to see here, folks!
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Therefor gold should be going through the roof. And you should be rich for making such a shrewd investment. Certainly nobody ever accused you of being a day late and a dollar short.

Just because banks have been shrinking their frackional banking ratios from 30-1 or more to the more traditional 12-1 ratios for the last four years — is no reason for bernake to print money.

Just because the USA is slicing 100 billion a year out of its trade deficit because of rising oil production — is no reason for the dollar to be stable or even rise.

No no the dollar should be going down AND gold should be going up.

But neither are happening. What’s wrong with this picture. Has the world gone daft?

(I argue on other forums that the current middle east wars are now old money wars. That the world is moving on. Or as they say in the middle east. the dogs bark and caravan moves on.)

He knew enough to know what Moloch was, Moloch’s relation to the Jews, and Moloch’s meaning as a worshiped idol. It wasn’t like he stumbled upon it.
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True, but he submitted to Moloch.

The twin abominations of the caananites that drew God’s wrath were human (child) sacrifice and homosexuality. Even still the Jews from time to time stepped over the line and took up the abominations of the caananites. when they did — they drew God’s wrath.

and justly.

Heck even the Romans were grossed out by the caananite colony of carthage.

Yeah, I have a lot of students ask me if Whitman was gay. I tell them he was omnisexual, and that modern gays wouldn’t understand what that means.
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hell I don’t even know what omnisexual is.

More DH Lawrence on Whitman—that I think is apropos of Ginsberg
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http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper/lawrence/dhlch12.htm
You must have fallen also into mechanization.

Your Moby Dick must be really dead. That lonely phallic monster of the individual you. Dead mentalized.

I only know that my body doesn’t by any means gravitate to all I meet or know, I find I can shake hands with a few people. But most I wouldn’t touch with a long prop.

Your mainspring is broken, Walt Whitman. The mainspring of your own individuality. And so you run down with a great whirr, merging with everything.

You have killed your isolate Moby Dick. You have mentalized your deep sensual body, and that’s the death of it.

I am everything and everything is me and so we’re all One in One Identity, like the Mundane Egg, which has been addled quite a while.

This is the way that DH Lawrence talks of Walt Whitman. I think the same applies to Ginsberg.
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Walt was really too superhuman. The danger of the superman is that he is mechanical.

They talk of his ‘splendid animality’. Well, he’d got it on the brain, if that’s the place for animality.

I am he that aches with amorous love:
Does the earth gravitate, does not all matter, aching, attract all matter ?
So the body of me to all I meet or know.

What can be more mechanical ? The difference between life and matter is that life, living things, living creatures, have the instinct of turning right away from some matter, and of bliss- fully ignoring the bulk of most matter, and of turning towards only some certain bits of specially selected matter. As for living creatures all helplessly hurtling together into one great snowball, why, most very living creatures spend the greater part of their time getting out of the sight, smell or sound of the rest of living creatures. Even bees only cluster on their own queen. And that is sickening enough. Fancy all white humanity clustering on one another like a lump of bees.

No, Walt, you give yourself away. Matter does gravitate helplessly. But men are tricky-tricksy, and they shy all sorts of ways.

Matter gravitates because it is helpless and mechanical.

And if you gravitate the same, if the body of you gravitates to all you meet or know, why, something must have gone . seriously wrong with you. You must have broken your main- spring.

You must have fallen also into mechanization.
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper/lawrence/dhlch12.htm

He’s Jewish! His father was literary as well, which simply makes your argument seem naive.
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yeah I know he’s jewish.

There’s an old lenny bruce joke. (he was a jewish comic from the 1960’s.) anywhere outside of new york in the USA whether you’re christian or jewish—your christian. However, in new york—no matter whether you’re christian or jewish—its just the reverse-— you’re jewish. (lenny died with his head in the toilet and a syringe on his arm)

I lived in Manhattan/morningside heights for almost 20 years. so I know jewish. and yeah ginsberg was ethnically—ie lox and bagel—but probably only bagels— jewish— but that’s really really it..

Since I left Manhattan/morningside heights 20 years ago I’ve spent some time in study of the Old Testament.

Ginsberg’s writing shows that he didn’t get anything more than a superficial understanding of the old testatment from his father. Certainly columbia college didn’t give him anything more than a superficial understanding of the old testatment.

If the USA does not export natural gas then the price of natural gas will remain relatively low vis a vis world prices. low US natural gas prices have already attracted an estimated 100 billion worth of business to the USA.

exporting natural gas will push US natural gas prices up to world wide rates—killing the incentive for overseas companies who profit from low natural gas prices—to set up shop in the USA.

Singapore doesn’t produce any oil.

At most they may be a reshipper.

So why is this important.

I’m not a fan of Snyder either.

The second mimics the Old Testament.
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There is no chance that Ginsberg had even the slightest understanding of the OT. Nor does his work (or his life for that matter)reflect any understanding at all of the OT.
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That said I recognize the pole star (the guiding light) in your discussion would naturally come out of most undergraduate literary programs at American universities.

I’ve written some research work on Ginsberg, and while I find Howl to be a really incredible poem
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I just tried to read(and failed to finish) Howl. Without success. Way too much buggery. A normal person just doesn’t want that sh-t going through his head.

That was the finisher.

Howl starts out with a pretty crip open but then it becomes wordy. Ginsburg chants but the words don’t mean anything. its just noise and ginsburg enjoying the sound of his own voice. Nam-myoho-renge-kyo

I’ve read and written a lot of poetry. I lived around columbia U and went to school there and read poetry at the west end.

My friends from the period who knew nothing of poetry thought ginsberg was great. I though ginsberg was a babbling idiot. In prose I thought mailer was a babbling idiot too.

But that’s just me.

Just saying, it is never a totally up or totally down picture. But, overall... I’d sure hate to be looking for employment today! My Lord, what agony .... and on such a massive scale...

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well if you have young uns in their 20’s or such —just tell them to go to one of several oil patches around the USA. there’s plenty of jobs there and plenty of money even for a rube who doesn’t know much.

its much tougher for the older guys to adjust to a changing economy.

But Satan is mighty and can bury any blessing if a people robustly denies God. All that oil will do exactly nothing if Satan is permitted his way.
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technically speaking, Satan only can do what God allows him to do—an no more.

economically speaking the big satanic curse came during the 1970’s when the first OPEC oil embargo coincided with peak US (easy)oil production—coupled with a massive Saudi oil production boom... we are coming out on the far side of that. the ramp up of US oil production over the next couple years will be nearly the largest if not the largest in the history of all countries including saudi arabia and russia.

Disagree.

There is no big growth out there. We’ll poke along at 2-3%. That said— there’s no downside to the US economy right now worth worrying about.

Here’s why.

U.S. Oil Production Rose At Record Rate In 2012: BP
“On the supply side, the most noticeable phenomenon remains the American shale revolution,” BP Chief Executive Bob Dudley said in a statement. “In 2012, the U.S. recorded the largest oil and natural gas production increases in the world and saw the largest gain in oil production in history.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/12/us-oil-production-2012_n_3426755.html

US oil output in 2012: Largest 1-year gain in US history
Mark J. Perry | June 12, 2013, 4:31 pm
http://www.aei-ideas.org/2013/06/us-oil-output-in-2012-largest-one-year-gain-in-us-history/
The chart above shows the record-setting increase in US oil output last year, which registered a 790,000 barrel per day increase in 2012, the largest single-year gain in US history. Welcome to “Saudi America’s” shale revolution.

The biggest phenomenon last year, by far, was the impact of the growing shale revolution in the U.S., Dudley said. Oil production growth in the U.S. — by more than a million barrels per day to 8.9 million — was the largest in the country’s history, BP noted.
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All current evidence suggests that US oil production will increase this year and over the next several years by similar amounts.

US oil companies that for decades —have been pouring their investments into overseas oil patches are all coming home and pouring billions of dollars into US projects all over the USA.

Big diversified companies that depend on low natural gas prices are setting up shop in the USA again because of lower natural gas prices in the USA relative to other countries.

As to fiat money...so say the fed prints out several trillion worth of fiat money...on the other hand the oil industry has just created an extra 75-150 trillion dollars worth of oil backing the US dollar ex nihilo—from nothing.

This was all going to happen no matter who was elected president in 2012.

If Romney were elected he would have done a little to help the process along. Obama is doing every thing he can to throttle the oil boom while positioning himself to take credit for it. (He won’t be able throttle the oil boom—mostly because its taking place on private property.)The greenies have started to talk about adopting to climate change rather than trying to bring down CO2 levels.

Bottom Line.

The USA ain’t going down economically anytime soon. In fact the USA will be returning to an economy not seen since the 1960’s—later in the decade. (meanwhile the longer term moral and political decline continues apace—but that’s another story.)

It doesn’t sound that cheap to me.

A cheaper deal would be the thorium reacotors. But they’re still in development.

agree. they did in fact but threw it away.

I don’t think that will work. Regulations would make it virtually impossible to get a portable nuke for your factory.

An exception to this is military bases. the military currently wants to get off the grid. US military bases are not subject to nuclear regulation as is civilian land. so they can put portable nukes on their premises to power their bases.

these are portable fission reactors. the main contractor here also makes the portable nuclear reactors for nuclear submarines.

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) defines “small reactors” as under 300 megawatts (MW).

Last week, the DOE signed a cooperative agreement with Babcock & Wilcox for about $150 million in funding to support development and licensing of B&W’s mPower technology over the next five years.

Babcock’s subsidiary, mPower, plans to deploy the modular, advanced light water reactor system, which can operate for four years without refueling. The basic module has a generating capacity of about 180 megawatts. A single facility can be designed to accommodate multiple reactor modules based on the customer’s infrastructure constraints and load growth projections.

B&W claims that the overnight cost for an mPower reactor is about $5,000/kW.

The World Nuclear Association provides the following background for mPower’s reactor technology:

The mPower reactor is modular in the sense that each unit is a factory-made module and several units would be combined into a power station of any size, but most likely 500-750 MWe and using 250 MWe turbine generators (also shipped as complete modules), constructed in three years. B&W’s present manufacturing capability in North America can produce these units, and B&W Nuclear Energy Inc. has set up B&W Modular Nuclear Energy LLC (B&W MNE) to market the design, in collaboration with Bechtel which joined the project to design, license and deploy it . . . .

When B&W announced the launch the mPower design in 2009, it said that Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA) would begin the process of evaluating Clinch River at Oak Ridge as a potential lead site for the mPower reactor, and that a memorandum of understanding had been signed by B&W, TVA and a consortium of regional municipal and cooperative utilities to explore the construction of a small fleet of mPower reactors. It was later reported that the other signatories of the agreement are First Energy and Oglethorpe Power. In February 2013, B&W signed a contract with TVA to build up to four units at Clinch River, with design certification and construction permit application to be submitted to NRC in 2015. In July 2012 B&W’s GmP signed a memorandum of understanding to study the potential deployment of B&W mPower reactors in FirstEnergy FE -0.65%‘s service territory.

Unlike large-scale light-water reactors, small modular reactors (SMR) are designed to reduce the financial risks associated with full‐scale nuclear power plants. It remains to be seen whether they will do so.

Detailed engineering data for most small reactor designs are only about 20% complete, according to a study by the University of Chicago Energy Policy Institute.

In 2009, the IAEA estimated that a fleet of between 43 and 96 small modular reactors would be installed globally by 2030.

The gulf arabs will stop funding al queda when the price of oil falls due to rising US oil production.

Columba Bush (born August 17, 1953) is a Mexican-born American philanthropist. She is the wife of former Florida Governor Jeb Bush.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columba_Bush

if you’re doing a ping list for tinnitus—add my name to it.

How does the push and shove for US to take on an invasion of illegals help his family?
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They have a couple of Mexicans in the family including Jeb’s wife. Straddling the border keeps the family peace. Its a Mexican thing. They put family over country.

Where is Jeb Bush’s first loyalty? Church then family, then country. What Rome calls for Jeb will enforce. And Rome does not give one wit about US citizenship. We are ‘rich’ and we are required to be charitable. The plate is just been enlarged and getting ready to be passed. They call it social justice.
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Jeb’s first loyalty is to his family.

That means he straddles the border—like his brother.

There ARE things that could be done to make things better. Still a ways to go with the current attempt to see what the final result COULD be.
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Actually the current bill is chalk full of conditional words like “COULD” “should” “may” when it comes to border enforcement. However, Amnesty is mandated into the bill. There’s nothing conditional about it.

Rubio confirmed all this in SPANISH.

Really, if you put lipstick on a pig — its still a pig.

Same idea I have about the Younger Dryas event ~ before the event humans could not readily move permanently into verdant grasslands full of game because of the high population of big cats. After the event, humans owned the place because the cats were gone.
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I thought the problem was the big short faced bear.

(although based on numerous sightings from the 1790s to the present, there may be relict populations of the lions still around)

are you talking about mountain lions or the lions extincted by the events of the younger dryas.

(I’ve never read reports of any lions but mountain lions in the USA. as to other big cats, I’ve seen pictures of jaguars north of the border.)

Tightening down on WHO is here... is a good thing for all of us. Not sure they’d actually do that.
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Take a look over at the NSA discussions.

I agree with you... step by step would be better. But, that is NOT an option.
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The senate bill has no chance in the house.
The house plan for step by step probably won’t make it in the senate.
No bill is better than a bad bill that only makes things worse. That’s what the senate bill does. It brings amnesty and leaves the border open.

Let’s see what the final bill IS... before hating or loving it.
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There is no upside for republicans in this bill on any level.

The way to go is what’s being contemplated in the house.

You do things one part at a time. “Comprehensive” just doesn’t cut it.

rubio would be a dangerous enemy if he becomes a democrat.

As well, there are several videos of Michelle Obama saying that Obama is Kenyan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gki7vu9Drts
There’s at least one article from the early 2000’s in Illinois that describes Obama as Kenyan.
FactCheck.org describes Obama as a dual citizen holding both kenyan and american citizenship until age 23 —at which time he gave up his kenyan citizenship.
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/obamas-kenyan-citizenship/

All thanks to Obama and his policies...
We have a lot more to come but are prevented by obama
I’ll know it when I see a dramatic drop of gas prices at the pump.
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Whoever won the presidential election of 2012 was going to gather the reflected glory of the fracking revolution. Romney would have pushed things along a little. Obama is doing everything he can to stifle the fracking revolution. But it is happening despite him so fracking will make Obama look good no matter what he does or does not do.

What I really hate is that the big payoff for fracking in terms of the price of oil will likely come in 2015 and 2016 — just in time for the 2016 presidential elections.

Someone needs to explain to me why our prices keep going up if production has increased.
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prices will likely fall but not today or tomorrow. Right now the rise in US production has helped to offset the fall in production in other countries around the world plus the increase in demand from china and India...so oil supply and demand are tightly balanced.

If the world goes into a recession in this Fall (causing a worldwide shrinkage of demand)—then oil & gas prices at the pump will fall this year.

If not then it will likely be another 2 years before production passes demand. (I’m in the camp that believes the US will experience steady but unexceptional growth for the next couple years—unless the Supreme court declares obamacare unconstitutional. If that happens — then the US economy will return to (high for the USA)4%-5% growth rates
—& higher US demand for oil.

As it is US West Texas Intermediate oil is about 10 dollars cheaper than world prices or Brent Crude.

Pity the oil planners because there are a lot of variables to consider.

I think it has something to due with the fact that a new refinery hasn’t been built in the US in 40 years.
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I have puzzled over that for a long time — until I learned that what the refining companies have done for the last 40 years—is simply add to the capacity of existing refineries.

True. The Russians have the biggest shale deposits on earth out in siberia. But —like the Chinese — they don’t know how to frack just yet. Both Russian & Chinese companies are invested in US fracking for the purposes of technology transfer. So it’ll be another 5-10 years before they get oil out of their shale deposits in volume.

Here’s the problem. Its a very tricky one.

I’m reading that Baaken oil costs $80@ barrel to get out of the ground. That’s expensive. I’m also reading that siberian oil will cost $90@ barrel to get out of the ground. that’s even more expensive.

If the USA keeps adding 1 million barrels a day—more— worth of the production every year for the next couple years —likely the price of oil is going to dip below $80@ barrel.

This will make baaken oil unprofitable and siberian oil impossible to drill profitably. (In the baaken —that means that they won’t do more drilling until the price rises. But production will continue on already drilled wells. Now there are uncertainties here because of decline rates, the ability of oil companies to drill in lower costs places like the permian basin and finally—the cost of production —especially in the Baaken—will likely fall in the next couple years.)

That’s probably why the russians would like to lock in the japanese at $100@ barrel if they could.

Its a shame the USA could not extract some kind of quid pro quo from the Chinese by which the USA gave the Chinese fracking technology in return for them making peace with their neighbors over south china sea claims and various other border issues.

It’s a silly amendment and deserved to be voted down. We need legalization and registration immediately precisely because the borders are NOT secure. Anyone who comes AFTER registration? No dice.
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There are currently mountains of laws on the books —including the 1986 law that call for border security.

None of them are being enforced.

Neither will the current bills border security WEAK border provisions be enforced. The dems will merely pocket all the amnesty provisions of the current bill and ignore the rest. Then they’ll take the new current law and use it for a jumping off point to grant citizenship to the new people in legal limbo.

Really brother. You need to get a clue as to how the game played. Otherwise you’re just another democrat shill.

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Actually, human sacrifice has always been against God.
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True, but it was at one time practiced by nearly every people group on earth.

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The very first murder is condemned by God.
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True. God’s second covenant was with Noah. That included the injunction. Thou shalt no murder.... Same goes for the third covenant (or fourth depending on whether you count God’s covenants with Abraham) the 10 commandments. the law there was thou shalt not murder...
not .... thou shalt not kill. There was a distinction between lawful killing and unlawful killing. similarly the 10 commandments says thou shalt not commit adultery. it does not say thou shalt not have sex. there is a distinction made between lawful sex and unlawful sex.

In the latest sign of the shale revolution remaking world energy markets, crude production in the U.S. jumped 14% last year to 8.9 million barrels a day, according to the newly released Statistical Review of World Energy, an annual compilation of industry trends published by BP BP.LN -0.29% PLC for more than six decades.

The wave of new crude, flowing in oil fields from North Dakota to south Texas, helped keep the global market adequately supplied and helped markets weather declining oil production elsewhere in the world.

"The growth in U.S. output was a major factor in keeping oil prices from rising sharply, despite a second consecutive year of large oil supply disruptions," said BP Chief Executive Bob Dudley.

In volume terms, last year's U.S. production gain of 1.04 million barrels a day surpassed the earlier biggest annual increase of 640,000 barrels per day, recorded in 1967.

Most of this new production is coming from dense shale-rock formations, such as the Bakken Shale in North Dakota and the Eagle Ford Shale in Texas. In recent years, the oil industry has developed techniques to hydraulically fracture, or frack, these shales, freeing up previously trapped oils.

Beyond the U.S., oil production increased almost 7% in Canada, raising North America's profile as a global oil producer.

The boom in the North American oil patch contrasts sharply with developments in many big oil-producing countries such as Nigeria and Venezuela, where aging oil fields and political strife led to steep declines.

Despite rising U.S. production, the nation remains a large crude importer. However, it is bringing in fewer barrels than at any time since the mid-1990s. That is freeing up some traditional suppliers to ship their barrels elsewhere and satisfy rising demand in Asia and Latin America.

This surge of U.S. oil output is expected to have only a modest impact on global prices. The U.S., the third-largest global crude producer behind Saudi Arabia and Russia, still pumps only about one of every 10 barrels world-wide. What's more, restrictions on exporting crude oil from the U.S. have muffled its potential impact.

U.S. crude-oil production has raced ahead of new pipeline infrastructure to move it from oil fields to refineries. This has created regional gluts, such as in a major trading hub in Oklahoma, and driven down prices there. But it hasn't spilled over to depress global prices or deliver substantial amounts of cheap oil and fuel to consumers. The average crude price at a major benchmark hub in Europe last year was $111.67 a barrel, compared with $94.13 in Oklahoma.

This could change as production rises and more pipelines are built—and as railroads move more crude around the country. "Growth in U.S. shale-oil production could have the most significant long-term impact on oil prices of any supply event in recent decades," noted a report from Pacific Investment Management Co., which runs one of the world's largest commodity funds. But current output "has not yet been sufficient to meaningfully weaken oil prices."

While the U.S. shale boom increased production, many other oil-producing regions struggled with declining volumes. U.K. production fell 13.4% in 2012, as some of its North Sea oil fields near their fourth decade of life. Former OPEC member Indonesia experienced a 3.9% decline.

Libya grew its production from 479,000 daily to 1.5 million, mostly because it was able to restart output following disruptions related to its civil war. Powerhouse Saudi Arabia raised its world-leading output almost 4% to 11.5 million barrels per day.

The fracking techniques that have unleashed so much crude in the U.S. haven't yet had an impact overseas. However, recent government reports suggest that Argentina and Russia could have enormous deposits of crude oil accessible through fracking. Development of these resources has been slowed by government policies, competition from less expensive fields and a scarcity of specialized equipment.

The extra North American supply made it easier for the U.S. and Europe to impose tough sanctions on Iranian oil exports in a bid to hamstring its nuclear-weapons development. Iranian oil production fell 16% to 3.7 million barrels per day, the largest drop among major producers, BP said. Other oil-market analysts have said Iranian exports have fallen by more than one million barrels per day since sanctions took full effect last summer.

Additional supplies also make it easier to deal with rising demand from energy-hungry countries such as China, whose quest to lock up oil and gas resources has been a source of friction. Much of the recent tension in the South China Sea, for example, is due to China and its neighbors eyeing potentially rich underwater hydrocarbon reserves.

"A better-supplied world is a safer world," Daniel Yergin, vice chairman of energy consultancy IHS, said at a conference Wednesday.

Improved energy efficiency and Europe's weak economy kept a lid on demand in 2012. BP said world consumption grew 0.9%. Europe and North America used less oil, while the rest of the world, led by China, used more.

While the U.S. gusher tamped down the effect of supply problems elsewhere, BP noted average oil prices remained at record-high levels last year. The prices reflect relentless demand for oil from developing countries, including China, India and most of the Middle East.

Measured in 2012 dollars, the average oil price last year of $111.67 per barrel of Brent crude was just $2 lower than in 2011, which was the highest price at any time since the post-Civil War boom in Pennsylvania in the 1860s, BP said. Both prices were higher than such watershed years as 2008, when oil nearly hit $150 a barrel in the summer and the average was $103.71 a barrel in current dollars; 1979, when the Iranian revolution roiled markets; and 1973, the year of the Arab oil embargo.

On Wednesday, the World Bank forecast global oil prices would drop to $102 a barrel this year from $105 last year, based on an average of global benchmarks. It added that "over the longer term, oil prices are projected to fall" as supply growth from shale-rock deposits accelerate.

Something under appreciated these days is that —even if you are not a christian— you have to acknowledge that it is Christianity and Jesus that caused the worldwide abandonment of human sacrifice over two millennium.

Nevada is a totally natural place for lots of solar power. Plus, yeah they’re probably getting lots of federal funding.

In addition to the individual installations there’s at least one large solar power plant going up in Nevada —maybe more.
http://www.mynews4.com/news/local/story/Nevada-Proud-Plant-in-middle-of-Nevada-creates/JxLNGnlT80i25zPrtFfhjg.cspx

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/04/solar-geothermal-electric-plants/2389365/

http://www.rgj.com/viewart/20130513/BIZ05/305130048/-20-million-US-grant-Nevada-solar-power-work

I guess it depends on what you define as renewable energy. So maybe there is hope. But solar and wind are not going to do it.

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The whole Co2 thing is bogus.

The main thing is delivering more energy at ever cheaper prices everywhere.

That’s how you make the whole blessed world rich—and provide the capital that it will take to finance the great off world migrations of the second half of the 21st century.

agree that the CO2 stuff is bogus