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The foundation of my belief on abortion comes from my faith also, but faith should also justify any law in the US. Our country was founded on Biblical doctrine. If a baby was not considered human, then abortion would make sense. Even a child knows the "fetus" kicking in the womb is a baby human and is alive and is it's own person. Legally, the baby has it's own DNA, blood type, fingerprints, brain waves, ect. The mother nourishes it, but it is it's own being. After it is born, the mother nourishes it, but it is it's own person.

Somehow we have found some difference in the womb and out of the womb. My foundational belief starts with the faith that God has loaned a soul to the child for the parents to raise. The child belongs to God and not to the mother to dismember it in her womb. To do so is shedding innocent blood, the 6th commandment. My faith agrees with the science and doesn't contradict reality. The reality is that the baby did NOTHING wrong to deserve death even in rape and incest. I believe the life of the mother is the choice of the mother, but many abortions here are not life threatening, but convenience, which is why they always say, "the HEALTH" of the mother and avoid the term "LIFE" of the mother. My niece had a troubled pregnancy and could have died also, but chose to bear the child. She did lose some sight in one eye, but would do it again to have the child. Many women kill their baby just to avoid the stretch marks. There should be a line somewhere in a moral sense.

The point is, all law should be backed up with the principles of God. When man's law contradicts God's law, we end up with a Holocaust. Following God is not just made up voodoo. It is meant for our good and follows science and morality. If you don't follow God, who are you basing your laws on, Satan? Satan is here to steal and destroy and abortion steals a life and destroys a nation.

Here’s something my daughter did back in college you might find interesting.

Moral Blindness VS. Inalienable Rights

Sarah ******

Stephen F. Austin State University

Abstract

The founders of the United States had issued two types of rights for states and the nation: inalienable and citizenship. Inalienable rights are those received by just being a human being and citizenship rights are the privileges and immunities one receives by being a citizen of the United States. Throughout history morality or lack thereof played a substantial part in the Judiciary role of the government as it still does today. Judges without morality cause moral blindness, which at times can lead to injustice for innocent persons. Dred Scott and Terri Shiavo are perfect examples of victims of moral blindness.

Moral Blindness Vs. Inalienable Rights

The founders of the United States believed that “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” (Adams, Franklin, & Jefferson, 1776). This concept is based on morality and it seems as though the idea of good morality changes from year to year. Changing times and ideas are mostly considered a great quality but it can also create moral blindness. For example, when white individuals owned black slaves it did not make the slaves any less of a human being than the whites in society’s eyes today, but during that time they were believed to be less than human. The Dred Scott case was a pure example of this moral blindness. Each state had a choice whether to be a slave state or a free state but there had to be a balance of each in the Union. For instance, Missouri joined the Union through the Missouri Compromise of 1820 and it was a slave state next to Illinois, which was a free state. Illinois came from the Northwest Territory; given by Virginia to the United States in the Northwest Compact of 1784-85. The compact was the basis of the Northwest Ordinance of 1787; in reference to the balance of slave owning and free states, article 5 says:

There shall be formed in the said territory, not less than three nor more than five States. . . . And, whenever any of the said States shall have sixty thousand free inhabitants therein, such State shall be admitted, by its delegates, into the Congress of the United States, on an equal footing with the original States in all respects whatever, and shall be at liberty to form a permanent constitution and State government: Provided, the constitution and government so to be formed, shall be republican, and in conformity to the principles contained in these articles; and, so far as it can be consistent with the general interest of the confederacy, such admission shall be allowed at an earlier period, and when there may be a less number of free inhabitants in the State than sixty thousand. (Thope, 1909).

Scott’s new owner moved him to Illinois for two years, since Illinois was a free state you could take a slave through that territory but one could not keep them there long enough to become residents. If an owner failed to move the slave in the limited transit time period of two weeks then the slave became free. Scott was in Illinois for two years, which by far exceeds the time limit of the transit time, and by law made Scott a free man. After residing in Illinois for two years, Dred’s owner relocated to Wisconsin, and under the Missouri Compromise law of 1820 said that slaves taken into this area and residing in it were free by force of federal law. Also, The Northwest Ordinance of 1787 states in article 6:

There shall be neither slavery nor involuntary servitude in the said territory, otherwise than in the punishment of crimes whereof the party shall have been duly convicted: Provided, always, That any person escaping into the same, from whom labor or service is lawfully claimed in any one of the original States, such fugitive may be lawfully reclaimed and conveyed to the person claiming his or her labor or service as aforesaid. (Thrope, 1909).

These are just two of the many examples of how the court system failed a man who, according to federal law, was free, because of a morally blind majority. Dred Scott was treated as though he was merely property and not a human being that was entitled to his inalienable rights. The Preamble, which is stated above, clearly proves that not everyone believed this ludicrous ideological nonsense that whites were more human than blacks.

Although, the court system overlooked the laws that Congress had put forth for all Americans to live by, which caused the government to fail in ending slavery immediately, the government laid the foundation for the Dred Scott case to change the way Americans viewed slavery altogether. The 13th Amendment, section 1 boldly states: Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.” (1776). Clearly, Scott was stripped of his rights as a human being without committing a single crime and was denied his freedom as an American even though by law he was said to be a free man. Also, in 1868 the 14th amendment was written, every clause from the 14th amendment directly overturns some holding of the Scott case. The 14th amendment, section 1 state:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law, which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. (1776).

The Dred Scott case opinion clearly stated that these rights only applied to white people, but even then there was no federal power to correct the situation if a state deprived whites of their inalienable rights. The immorality of the judges who handled Scott’s fate kept him bound as a slave because in their eyes they saw only saw him as a piece of property and not an American citizen.

Immorality does not just base itself to race or generation, but it can be found in any part of life. For instance, Dred Scott was a black male in the 1800’s that white judicial elitist saw as property, but in the case of Terri Schiavo, she was a white female that lived in the current generation with abundant “freedom”.

Terri Schiavo was in her mid-twenties when she suffered cardiac arrest that left her in a coma. The reasoning behind her cardiac arrest, doctors believe, was due to having Bilema Nervosa. She recovered from her coma, but the lack of oxygen to her brain left her impaired. She could breathe, sleep, wake up, and responded to sounds and even pain all on her own. She was unable to speak but communicated through grunts and groans. Doctors diagnosed her to be in a Persistent Vegetative State (PVS) and sent her to a Hospice facility for care.

The facility took very good care of Schiavo while her parents and her husband contributed finances. In the beginning everyone believed that if she was under constant care that she would recover even more from the cardiac arrest. When her condition failed to gain improvement her husband grew weary of the situation and decided it was time for Terri to stop “suffering”. He then took the matter to the Florida circuit courts to have Terri’s nutrition stopped. Her wishes for this type of situation were never written down in any kind of document and her husband was using hear-say in the courts to say she did not wish to live in PVS.

The issue became heated and went nation wide, many people supported the life of Terri, and even the Republican Party stepped in with Jeb Bush as Terri’s spokesperson. The outcome was the courts decided to take away all nutrition and care from Terri and she died 13 days later of starvation and dehydration.

Paul McHugh, a Professor of Psychiatry for Johns Hopkins University with experience in Hospice, believes that Hospice did not live by their oath to Schiavo. He states:

In hospice care, no one is deprived of the simple amenities of being kept clean and receiving food and water. In Terri Schiavo’s case, just as the team did not withdraw her bladder catheter, which helped keep her clean, so it did not withdraw the gastric tube, which had similarly been put in place during the rescue phase in order to ease the burden of nursing her. If for some reason the gastric tube had to be removed, the team would surely have tried to sustain nutrition by feeding her with spoon and cup.

In a hospice, decisions to limit medical services are made easier by everyone’s knowledge of how the patient’s condition emerged. Team attention, emphasizing as it does all relevant perspectives, strives to support all relevant interests. Terri Schiavo received good care and treatment, and would not have been permitted to suffer unnecessarily. At the same time, she would not have been carried repeatedly through processes of treatment that ultimately did nothing to advance the quality of her life (McHugh, 2005).

Basically, Mchugh is saying that Hospice gives an individual the amount of care they need to keep them from suffering, but does not do anything medically to keep them alive. Terri’s body was living on its own with others assisting her in keeping her clean and fed. Hospice was doing their every day duties that they do with each of their individuals, why was Terri chosen to be the one to die? Why did they courts pick her and not another individual in their care?

The decision made by the courts was one that scared many citizens of America. Terri did not leave any written document to say she did not want to live in PVS, she was being taken care of by Hospice and financially by her family. How did the courts have any jurisdiction in a human being’s life that did not commit any criminal act? How does one person, Michael Schiavo, Terri’s husband, and a court take her life away? This showed Americans that they do not have complete control over their well-being. It showed them that even as unpopular as the decision was it all came down to a judge’s ruling.

Moral blindness knows no generation limit, race, gender, or age. Americans must realize that a court system is much more powerful then they may believe. These two instances make it perfectly clear it does matter who sits in the judge’s chair and they do not only deal with criminals and civil cases. These two cases dealt with two innocent citizen’s lives and the citizen’s lost. In reality, they ultimately show that justice is not always fair. It can be quite cruel and sometimes the people in the wrong win.

Works Cited

1. (1776). The Constitution. Philidelphia, Pennsylvania.

2. Adams, J, Franklin, B, & Jefferson, T. (1776). The Preamble. (1776). The Constitution. Philidelphia , Pennsylvania

3. McHugh, P. (2005, June). Annihilating Terri Schiavo. Commentary Magazine

4. Thorpe, F. N. (1909). (1909). The Northwest ordinance of 1787

Read post #59. Roe wasn't settled as a religious question. They were wrong and continue to be wrong legally. Roe is as wrong as Dredd Scott was in it's day. I only hope it will be settled in a more non violent way than Dredd Scott.

It's no different than Terri Schiavo. She was a person, she was alive and not dying. Her life was deemed not a life by a probate judge, not a criminal judge, and she was murdered in front of the world. Even people on FR cheered as she was denied her rights and murdered before our eyes. Her only crime was she was on a feeding tube. A good percentage of all people in hospitals and nursing homes need a feeding tube to eat. Are they going to be murdered because they can't feed themselves? Even stray dogs are treated better than she was. If only there was a PETA division for humans.

This legal idea of non person hood needs to be squashed right now! Obamcare is the perfect vehicle to rid ourselves on undesirables such as gun owners, Bible believers, conservatives, Limbaugh ditto heads, and FR posters. If you don't think that's possible, just look at the IRS and the Tea Party. They know who you are and where you live. It's been done for thousands of years by many cultures, but somehow we trust the Dem Fascists as being somehow different sorts of Fascists. They have already shown they are no different than Mao, Hitler, and Stalin.

I'm not vlad, but I can settle these issues for you quickly. Go find a rape baby or a deformed baby when they are 21 years old and ask them if they wish they were aborted. I have found NONE that wish they were dead, not one! What crime has the rape child committed that they should get a death sentence? What court has rendered a verdict of guilty and for what crime? In America, the death sentence can only be given under a CRIMINAL court for a felony crime of murder or treason, and is under a jury of their peers. How can a doctor or mother pass sentence on another human being without guilt being proven? If I gave a DNA sample of an aborted baby to the police, they would find that it is human, once alive and is now dead. If you can make a baby into something less than human, then the government can declare seniors not human and dispose of them also. It isn't a stretch to make Jews less than human or black men and women less than human. All I have to do is get you deemed not human, and you are toast. This was the break in the law in Roe. To pretend the baby wasn't a human baby made it ineligible to the Bill of Rights. When you do that, you can do whatever you want to people you don't like. When a mom get's pregnant and decides she doesn't want the baby, no matter what the reason, who is she to decide life or death? If a man gets married and decides his new wife doesn't make his eggs the way he likes them, why not abort instead of all that estate spitting and child support nonsense? I'm willing to bet there are some in this administration that don't like you if you post on FR. That may be all they need to stop your cancer treatment under Obamacare. Abortion by any other name,......

I've heard every excuse in the book for abortion and it all gets back to making life and death judgements about other PEOPLE. A baby is a person, it's not property to be disposed of. We can't decide for it that not having legs makes it too pitiful to live. I have CP in my family and they love life and want to live and have never known anything but a hard life. It's their life, not mine, and I don't have the right to feel they don't deserve to live.

It's a tough thing for a woman to carry a baby to term that was raped, but the baby is innocent and had nothing to do with the crime. That's why we have adoption.

...."It’s a Protestant country that made abortion legal. Too many Catholics act like Protestants. Protestants are simply not really pro-life."....

I let this go about 3 times already, but that statement is just to ridiculous to let go by. I don't know ANY Protestants that aren't pro life,....no, not one.

And as far as the Prots making abortion legal, that's just an out and out LIE! The whole Silent Majority movement was Protestant based. There are many prots that will say "Lord Lord" in the last day, but Jesus doesn't know them and I'm sure many Catholics will be in the same line.

To blame Prots for all this mess is just crazy, and BTW, the new Pope is having some translation problems on almost every subject these days.

As far as Ms. Powers goes, we all started somewhere and she is just getting started. It will take some time and Bible reading to get her straightened out. Let's just pray for her that she has a good teacher and the evil one doesn't take her back. Any Christian knows the devil isn't happy when he loses one and he usually comes back hard. She will be getting enough grief from him and doesn't need it from other Christians. If she is truly saved, the Holy Spirit will teach her and keep her. One saved can never be pried from God's hand. We all trip and fall, but with His help, we get back up.

I look at non saved people as insane. Once you are saved, your mind is renewed and you see the Truth where you were blind before. At some point, she won't be able to justify any abortion,... ever, and will see the abomination sodomy really is. I once told a lefty, "Just think of the smell that is left on the sheet when men get through wiping feces all over themselves." Apparently he had never thought of exactly what homo's do for sex and he was repulsed. He changed his mind when he realized just how nasty and diseased ridden they really are. He didn't know about fisting, or Crisco, or any of that. He just thought they "loved" each other. Many of these liberal "Christians" have never figured out that John Wayne Gacey was gay or Dahmer, or any one of 50 other serial murderer's. No one explained to them that they killed their victims after having anal sex with them to keep them from talking. They are filthy dangerous abominations, yet most families have one or two hidden around somewhere to make them seem almost acceptable now. Who really wants to condemn ole uncle Bruce after all. Then one day SWAT shows up and we find out he raped a child and everyone says, "He was quiet and kept to himself." God says they are an abomination so who am I to argue with God. Fornication is sin, but I wonder if Ms. Powers has given it up. Does she still admire Clinton now that God has told her adultery is a no no? All these things will be piling on her daily and she will have to square her new found faith with what she has believed all her life. Her friends and family will also be in the "You've gone crazy" crowd.

I like it, I'm impressed, and I'm hopeful and will be praying for her. If she doesn't make it, well, that's up to God, not me. Remember Jane Fonda's conversion? How about Larry Flint? It's tough out there for New Christians after 30. They usually don't make it.

I do remember George Wallace though, and it was real and permanent into his old age. It can happen. Nothing is too hard for God.

The problem with thinking Jesus was a socialist is Jesus was TEACHING THE CHURCH. He expects His followers to be generous WITH THEIR OWN MONEY.

Today, we have the tares and goats saying the government is God and we should steal other peoples money and give it away. Telling a hungry person where the food stamp office is not storing any treasure for you in Heaven, but slipping them $10 for a burger might do the trick. Jesus expects YOU to help people, not force others to give their money the way you think best. Satan is a liar and has substituted government for God and convinced some believers that socialism is kind and full of mercy, only to find out later that is is theft and kills families and independence. Just look at the destruction of the families and the waste of human potential that comes from socialism. Jesus would never approve. To even suggest that anything progressive is Godly is blasphemy. The same people that want to steal your tax money and throw it down a hole, also murder children, sanction sodomy, prevent prayer, promote adultery and fornication, among the many sins that are too numerous to mention. No,....... Scripture was written for people, not governments. If Jesus is the governor of your life, you have the right government. If Obama and his ilk governs you, you are lost and headed for Hell.

You are gonna have to explain this to me cause I don't get it.

The gubmint spends $85 billion on planes, bullets, and food stamps, so they issue some bonds to cover that expenditure. The money is spent and is NOW in circulation. The bonds come due some day,....lets say, 5 years. So what you are saying is the Fed is now holding the paper and doesn't want any money for them? The money is already in circulation for food stamps and bullets. So the Fed throws the paper in the furnace and prints $85 billion more every month and throws the paper in the fire?

If that's really how it works, no wonder the Dems don't give a crap about debt. Why bother the Chinese and Arabs to buy our bonds?

I can see no way that inflation is not already 100% in the mix. It's a done deal. They spend and print and the money is twittered away in to some hole the gubmint has dug in a solar company. Even if the solar company goes broke, the money is in some lawyer's pocket, or in real estate, or equipment maker. The money is already in circulation somewhere. How could the FED just throw the money away? They do have a balance sheet. I know we need to audit them, but to just print money to throw away doesn't meet any kind of realistic standard. You are acting like someone is paying us back the bond money. They are printing zero's on a computer screen cause the Chinese have been saying NO!,...for a couple of years now. The FED is buying the debt and holding the paper. Is the gubmint paying the FED back? We are 1 trillion in arrears per year if that's the case, so the FED gets NO money paid pack. We just owe more and more.

BTW, the stock market is ONLY up because the counterfeit money is flowing. Watch what happens when they even SLOW the money down. Some say Taper is built in already, but look at the economy. The first month the unemployment rate starts back up,...BOOM! The printed money goes to the banks and then to assets. Right now that's stocks, and to a smaller extent, houses. This economy can't stand Obama and his socialism without $trillions in free money. All he has to do is drill for oil, repeal ObamaCare, and give a tax cut and we could grow at 5%+. What are the chances? The money has to be cut off at some point, the economy is still broken, and we are dead men walking.

Whatever the timing will be, it will happen when a conservative is in office trying to fix this mess and he/she will be blamed, just as Dubya was blamed for the housing crash with the Community Reinvestment Act at the center of it. Franklin Raines was saying he wanted all the loans at Fanny because houses NEVER go down in value. He got a $90 million golden parachute instead of 20 years in prison and got on Obama’s election economic team.
When these bonds come due, Obama will be just a bad memory and whoever is in office then will get the blame for what’s coming. Bernanke will probably be retired in Paris.

You are very warm and your skin is starting to blister. The talking heads keep telling us there is no inflation. They are printing counterfeit money every month at a rate of $85 billion a month. I’m not sure how much has been printed so far, but it should be in the trillion level. These fake bills are buying debt so the Chinese won’t have to. They can’t force us to cough up the money early, so the FED is in complete control. At some point, however, this debt will come due, and the money will become, “in circulation”. The only way to stop it would be to take dump truck full of money and burn it. Inflation is written in stone, we just don’t know when for sure. The GLD ETF is allegedly supposed to have paper representing physical gold, but how do they know where it is and how much? If people, not governments, especially the US, own the physical gold, how will the ETF satisfy the demand if everyone runs to the window at the same time? What if people demand their gold and China owns it? Their are so many chances for a run, it almost is inevitable at some point.

All I know is everywhere Cruz goes in Texas, he gets a 10 minute standing ovation. I don’t know how the rest of the country feels, but he could easily be the President of the Republic of Texas.

You are looking at a Biblical sized Prophet. I can only hope he overcomes and becomes our next President. After Carter( member him?), we NEEDED Reagan. I can’t imagine electing a McCain or Dole after Carter. We will require someone with Cruz’s competence to pull us out of the death spiral America will find itself in. In 3 years we will be over $20 trillion in debt and probably violence in the streets. America is headed for 3rd world status with the burdens we have now. Ted Cruz is a God sized choice put before us by God. Choose wisely, maybe He will bless America. Choose poorly, it’s beyond repair. There will be nothing left but armed revolt.

It’s time they started to talk about impeachment. The Senate won’t go along till we make them go along. That means Obamacare has to get to 30% and below in popularity. Americans WILL DIE due to losing their insurance. Dems need to get their hand bit on socialized medicine just like gun control. They pine for the day a school shooting happens to start their crap again, but even that doesn’t move the conservatives. Socialized Medicine needs to burn like gun control. Hillary will be the next one trying to “fix” healthcare.

I agree in theory, but you have to realize the reason we are here today is because Medicare and Medicaid are an un natural market. Insurance came into vogue after the gubmint said we will pay anything for whatever and started to inflate prices. Insurance was a stop gap measure to allow middle class users to keep up. The way to fix this would be to deregulate insurance to let them back in the market, then, down the road to look at medical WITHOUT insurance. I'm not sure you would ever get that toothpaste back in the tube.

Back in the day,( yes, I'm that old), we could have a gall bladder removed on the easy payment plan. Today, even that operation would be like buying a new Astin Martin on a WalMart salary. I'm not sure how many doctors today would take chickens for payment either.

If I understand correctly, the website is signing up Medicaid people to the tune of about 20,000 to one payer. Medicaid will be bursting at the seams in about 6 months and the states will eventually be stuck with the bill. If Perry weakens, Texas will be finished withing 3 years, of course along with all the other idiots that took the Medicare bribe.

This pile of money is too much for some pols that have needs now and figure they will be out of office 3-4 years from now anyway. The citizens are doomed either way.

IMO, Sarah Palin will be the biggest king maker in 2014. Unless she runs herself for Senate, she will cover the US with her picks. She’s the one that anointed Cruz when he was behind in Tejas. Cruz is almost a Biblical Prophet in his political knowledge. How many are going to have to eat roasted crow when he emerges as the Conservative hope in 2015? The NE RINO’s declaring him finished will have their clocks cleaned, IMO, of course.

Your post quotes the laws that say you MUST identify. What rights are you claiming that you DON’T have to identify? If a cop wants you to identify, he/she has a reason. If you choose to resist, most likely trouble will ensue. I still don’t get your point. A LEO will ask your name if they have reasonable suspicion that you have something to do with what they are investigating. These church thugs were at the scene and witnesses identified them as the people of interest. Their name was requested and the trouble begins. From that point on it’s like skating downhill. The cops will cuff you, put you on the ground and search your pockets looking for ID. If they find dope or weapons, well, they should have just answered the cop in the first place. Now we get a trip downtown and get a photo taken and fingerprint. All because they had “rights” to privacy that someone told them about. Maybe they need your number for legal advice.

My daughter is a LEO and it happens almost every day. My whole point was, people today seem to think they don't have to identify. Then it escalates into an arrest while they protest their "rights". Check out Youtube, it's full of college kids telling other college kids to withhold ID and other info. It goes the full gamut, from arrest, to pepper spray, to full on beatings, just because they felt they had some fictitious rights they got from the internet. Why not just answer the cop's questions?

I learned very young to do my fighting in court and not on the side of the road. You will lose.

I've been writing blogs saying Cruz looks like a Biblical prophet compared to the RINO's. By sticking to what's right, you always come out on top. All the talk about numbers and strategy missed the point that most Americans don't WANT ObamaCare. In he end, they still don't like ObamaCare and it's getting worse. Where does that leave RINO's and where does that put Cruz?

Patrick Henry still got hung, but everyone remembers him fondly. The whole country was founded on principle, certainly not strategy and numbers. If you looked at revolution against the British Empire, you would have never volunteered for anything.

IMO, Cruz will be the Repub nominee against Hillary. People say Hillary is a shoe in. When the muck is dredged up from the basement, Hilary will end up as just another Dem criminal and Cruz will be proven right over and over. The useful idiots or low info voters will give way to normal people with common sense that really want to live free even if they don't realize it yet. Benghazi isn't over yet.

Did you see the pellet gun? It looked EXACTLY like an AK-47. I probably wouldn’t have been able to tell the difference.

I've talked about this a thousand times but it looks like the youth of today are just too stuck on stupid to get it.

When a LEO asks you a question, you say "yes sir and no sir" while answering him/her. They don't care about your protests and filming and rights you think you have. They are professionally trained to know what they are and what they aren't. They know everything is being recorded today and will be in court some day. They have a legal reason for doing and saying what they do.

The perps, OTOH, seem to believe today that they have some special rights to do and say and act whatever way they think some fictitious BILL OF RIGHTS has given them by watching You TUBE. In Texas, You will get arrested for not providing your name when they ask. Resisting arrest is almost a slam dunk when you show any attitude. This is just the facts of life today. If you think you can show disrespect for the police because you have some weird idea of special rights, you will end up in cuffs in the back of a car. Apparently, people don't learn like they used to in my day. You can have a complete rap sheet today with just your mouth as a weapon.

If they keep thinking they have these rights, they will end up taking a shower with a guy named "Bone" in the slammer.

I think I have it figgered out. The general poop is they were sending arms to Syria thru Libya, but I think it goes MUCH deeper.

What we have here is a deal, AKA like the Brits had with Egypt for the Pan am bomber, for The Ambassador to be kidnapped and traded for the blind shake. Egypt wants him released bad. They have made overtures to us before. IMHO, I think a trade was going on and it went bad when help arrived. The security was Libyans that ran off and were in on the attack. They blocked rescue people from coming to their aid. The Seals disobeyed orders to stay away and got themselves killed for it. No one came from Tripoli. They sent NO air support for 9 hours.

Now you know almost anyone that heard about the attack would have mounted up and headed for the fight if they were able. Let's say the attack was over in 30 minutes. The planes could have turned around and came home. If the attack lasted 3 hours, we could have had something with a gun on it over the embassy by that time, even if they had to be refueled by air. After 4-6 hours we could have had a Spooky 130 over the top. Everyone was purposely told to stand down because killing the monkeys wasn't part of the deal.

Then things go south and they cover it up with the You Tube video excuse. That puts things off for a couple of days. No FBI were allowed in for 2 weeks. Newsmen were there sooner than that picking up classified documents.

It's obvious Obama and Hillary are hiding something, so what could it be? It's way bigger than just an attack by terrorists. It could be the gun running, but I think that's too easy. They have almost confessed that the Ambassador should not have been in Benghazi, so why was he there. Probably to run guns, that's the starting point. The real reason was to make him vulnerable to kidnap, IMO. We could have danced around for a month or two, then sent the shake to Egypt for a trade. Obama is a traitor.

Before this is over, Cruz will look like a Biblical Prophet.

I'm sure your right, but my neighbor is allowing a 27 yo mother of 3 to live with her while she is on probation. She gave her pastor a lil sumpin sumpin and thought he owed her a lil sumpin from the collection plate so she stole a check from the church and filled it out for $5k and signed the pastor's name figgering he wouldn't say anything.

He said something. She has til November some odd to give it back or go to jail for, I think 18 months or so. My neighbor took her in and got her a job to help with the money. She is relying on her uncle to help with the rest of the money but he raped her as a child and he's trying to get her to move in with him but she isn't allowed to live with felon, which he is along with being a deacon in said church. I could go into more detail about where her other kids are and talk about how no 2 of them have the same daddy, but it gets boring after awhile. She goes to church every Sunday.

I'm sure it happens everywhere as I know a Baptist preacher that gave personal counseling to a lady and then was sued for some unnamed abuse. Another Baptist preacher ran off with the piano player and left his wife and kids. His wife was cute as a button and the piano player was homely.

All this in a town of 2500.

Well, I like Coulter, and I like Newt, so For this article, I'll stick with Newt. Coulter picked Christy and made a fool of herself. Coulter is good at stirring things up, but Newt actually did something and got his hands dirty. He balanced the budget, impeached Clinton, and got welfare reform.

I can't quote it exactly, but like Teddy R. said, it's better to be in the fight and lose than cheer from the sidelines, or some such diddy as that. Somebody that get's into the mix and makes a difference is more important than all the talking heads out there put together.

The title grabbed me for a moment cause I knew the Baptists don’t have female pastors. Then I thought, well maybe she dressed like a man and fooled them. Then I thought well maybe it was some sort of Baptist break off group. Then I read the article and saw it was a black church where anything goes and anything goes on after church. I wonder if the partner was the piano player?

If you watch when she was turned around to leave, she had some sort of patch on the back of her left arm. I figger it’s a meth patch.

I disagree. I have 3 Mini-14's an 1 Mini-30. I love the 30 but it is basically a 30-30 with slightly less power. The 14 is good to 300 yds and beyond. The rifle is fine, but I would limit shots to well under 200yds for deer sized game. Under 100 yds, it's great fun. If you have a 125 grn .30 cal SP. it compares pretty close to a 30-30 with 150 grn SP @100yds. The Mini-30 has a little more speed.

Mini-14 has 2700-2900fps speeds with 55grn bullet. It relies on speed for kill power. Shoots much flatter than the 30. .308 beats all of them. I have a M1A for that duty. I'm not sure what it's worth in today's dollars, but It was half the new Ruger price when I bought. Ruger looks cool, but I don't think I'll be investing in cool until the price is around $1500. A new president and some competition and the price will go down like after Clinton.

You might want to check yourself on Perry. He’s not terrible, but I don’t think many Texan’s are fooled by him. He backed his own RINO for Cruz’s spot until Palin anointed Cruz for the win. Dewhurst fell off the map when Palin came to town and Cruz went up 30+ points. I could live with Perry, but I hold no illusions that he wouldn’t end up even worse then Cornyn.

I hate to say it, but another year or two of this, I may have to move to Russia. They at least treat the Muslims and Gays right. If they come up with a 2nd Amendment that’s the trifecta.

I was still thinking about what you said with the litmus test. Another quick "tell" might be to find out their opinion of Ted Cruz. If they give you the pat answer that it was foolish and we didn't have the votes, then we know they aren't where we are. They don't understand civil disobedience. If they can't understand voting for cloture was giving in, then why not give in on the future? Cruz recently had a town hall meeting and had 104,000 at his meeting and they cheered him on. He is now the front runner for the Rep nominee. Conservatives are marking their territory and the near future should show who is who. Please, somebody go "mark" McCain and Graham.

I am waiting for Palin to mark McCain in public. She still feels loyalty for "discovering" her, but now he's just a drag. I would love for BOR to ask her on his show what she thinks of what McCain is doing to Cruz. Her whole career would be decided in 5 seconds.

At least it wasn't an EVIL AR15. Whew!

After all, what harm could a rocket engine do?

Well, that was the discussion I was having with Vermont lt. The first indicator was Vermont? really? But maybe there are a few exceptions there that don't eat Ben and Jerry's nut concoctions. The he said he worked for the government and knew there were smart people there. That really made me wonder where he was coming from. Even most government employees will admit it's a mess.

For me, a government employee should either have to work in the real world for a few years before or after their stint in government and no pension would be paid except for the armed services. I'm 62 and for most of my adult life it has been the same everywhere I go. Government is inefficient, arrogant, and usually incompetent. I hate to put everybody in the same basket because I have met some that were fairly sharp, but if they had any ambition, why didn't they leave? It's because they BELIEVE in government. I watched all my life as the Soviets, Cubans, and East Germans suffered under unimaginable hardship to prove government works. One of the biggest mistakes to come out of USSR was when the west found out they had no real supply of toilet paper. many idealistic Americans had their eyes opened about that time. It's one thing to read a book and quite another to live under it. Then Nixon did his price control crap and proved again the government was INCAPABLE of the simplest control to "help" the people. We have been teaching our children that socialism is "workable" but can't show one example where capitalism wouldn't work better. They throw Social Security and Medicare at us but change the subject when the budget shortfalls have to be fixed. If you take your Social Security data that you get every year and pretend to put your money and the employer match into an IRA @5% annually, we could all retire with at least twice and probably 3 times the money SS pays. And Medicare is a mess that is breaking the US and that's only for 65 and older, not ObamaCare. Galveston County Texas employees dropped SS and invested their own money. They retire early with twice the money if a media outlet would just go look.

This is a product of government education. It has been proven over thousands of years what human nature does to people when they get a little control over someone else. Even in America they are trying to tell us what to eat and how much and what hobbies are good and bad, ect. As we speak, our young children are being beaten up for making a gun from a POP Tart. Why, so the next generation will have a Pavlov reaction when the government confiscates our guns for our own good. So far, they haven't gotten that far, but just like cancer, it will be back.

It isn't a conspiracy theory, that's just the culture of government EVERYWHERE. What happens is someone gets an idea, good or bad, doesn't matter. They send it to the underlings to figure out how to make it happen. Sooner or later, someone from on high says "Damn the cost!", and it gets done with a kludgy makeshift plan with holes as big as the Titanic. Then they spend the life of the idea making changes.

That describes ObamaCare to a tee. They now have it "working". Never mind it's a disaster. Now we don't have the votes to kill it, but we will have the votes to change it, so for the next 10 years we will cut this and add that until doctors are working for the government and people with no job on food stamps get care for their stab wounds for free. Business will shrink and move overseas and more middle class will slump to the poor class. Every time we try to make it better they will invoke the poor that we are throwing under the bus and the program will just get bigger. All the while the debt goes toward $25 trillion and no end in sight. Eventually the Ponzi scheme reaches apex and we end up like the Soviet Union. The sheep will end up on the curb crying they have no housing, no healthcare, no food, no pension, collapsed money, poverty and death. That is the system of government. It takes power until it collapses. It always happens because government leaders, don't manage money like the person would, they stole it from. A private business goes broke long before these problems get that bad. People that can't be fired and people that get bonuses for screwing up losing BILLIONS, cannot by definition ever succeed. $67 million was LOST by the IRS and NO ONE even knows what happened to it. Has anyone been arrested? Anyone fired? Anyone demoted? Anyone even chewed out?

You have much more faith in government than I have. IMO, The Dems planned the shutdown, ordered the signs weeks ahead, and then shut down the government because they knew the media would blame Repubs. I will jump to that conclusion until someone checks when the signs were ordered and paid for. They didn't store the signs for 17 years from the last shutdown. If nobody checks, there is a reason for that.

You are comparing a private bank with the government. Not even on the same planet. Have you ever seen or even worked for or with the government? The government has employees that have been absent more then half their career saying they had to be absent because they worked for the CIA. They were actually at their vacation home drawing pay.

The idea of saving money or working efficiently while employed in government is a foreign idea. The very reason a government employee cannot be fired is they can't find work in the real world. Just as an quick example, government trucks needed to check in so they bought them laptops with cell phone modems so they could check in from anywhere. They spent the money and then found out that the trucks were mostly running in rural areas with no cell signal. So the employees would have to drive for miles to get to areas that had a signal and even then the signal would drop out as they tried to send data. No one even bothered to check to see if the plan worked before buying tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment. There were literally hundreds of such lame ideas and decisions made. Another was to install GPS in each truck at the cost of thousands per truck and pay to have them tracked. When the employee wanted to go home for lunch or who knows what else, they disconnected the power plug that was hidden under the hood. When signal was lost they sent a tech from almost 200 miles away to find out what was wrong. The GPS was plugged back in and no problem found. After a few times they replaced the unit for even more cost. The whole purpose for the program was to prevent employees from taking excessive breaks and going out of their area. If every employee screwed off 2 hours a day it would have been cheaper to pay them than maintain the GPS system. Up until then the boss watched the drivers. The problem with that was he was as bad if not worse than the employee's. He knew all the guys hiding places and would go discipline one every once in a while when he was being evaluated. It was a mess for decades.

Now, instead of the taxpayer going through all this, why not just contract the whole thing out and eliminate all of the salaries, health care, and retirement, along with the equipment cost and maintenance? Did anyone EVER do a cost analysis? NO! To eliminate a whole division would have affected the higher ups salaries and responsibilities and you know the idea of government is "WE MUST GET BIGGER!!! Saving money isn't even on the radar.

A .pdf of the sign isn’t enough for the government. It was professionally printed on hardback paper, not copy paper from a local printer. Nothing gets done in government that isn’t planned and “procured”. It has to be approved and paid for. During Viet Nam we had B-52’s grounded because they had a broken knob on a radio or some other instrument and the knob was custom made in some god forsaken factory with 10 employees that charged $119.00 for a 20 cent knob. The B-52 stayed grounded until we robbed a knob off another plane more damaged or we waited for the knob to be replaced. A $1.00 knob from radio shack would have done the trick, but that’s not how the gubmint rolls. To get these special signs with certain verbiage on them, I’m sure had to be decided on through some committee and then appropriated would have taken at least weeks.

I understand what you are saying, but by the time they confiscate guns the battle cry will already be sounded. There is a line out there that won't be crossed, I just don't know where it is. But revolutions happen everywhere. Nobody wants to be the first to die, but I may be prepared as much as anybody, yet be taken out in the first round. The body of patriots will go on, however and in my mind, they will win. Most of us have the right attitude to prevail and have common sense to know when someone is lying to us. I don't think most of us would have a problem slaughtering the enemies of America as we have been stepped on for too long now. I know the police would side with us and I'm pretty sure the military wouldn't fire on Americans. Obama feels confident because he has put his own in the top spots, but you have to have your own all the way down the line or the line will break. If a General gives an illegal order to a Major, he may get a surprise from the Major.

I'm certainly not saying everything would be clean and sterile like a movie, but the general outcome is freedom lovers fight to keep their freedom harder than the conscripts trying to quell the insurrection.

If we had a skirmish and lost 20k men and took the government back from the socialists, would that be a worthwhile shedding of blood? What about 200k? You have to ask yourself how bad do you want it and how bad do they want to follow Obama? If they are that dedicated to Obama as a cult leader, then it's no different than Stalin or Castro. It might take awhile to get Americans to feel about their neighbors as we do about the Old Soviet Union, but it won't take long for the atrocities to mount up.

If we are ever lulled into giving up our guns, however, then it's inevitable that this scenario will happen. They talk about anyone that wants to cut the budget as a terrorist. It wouldn't take much for them to approve of lining us up against a wall.

The problem with this theory is the boil will fight back. This plan is always harder to execute than they think. Just look at Libya, Egypt, Syria, and anyone of a dozen Latin American revolutions. To believe we will just recoil from violence and allow their boot to remain on our neck is fantasy thinking.

It never runs as easy as they think. They have much less support then they think and we have much more ammo than they think.

A paragraph in post 25 was not posted. Look to #27.

Nobody seems to "get" what Cruz was attempting. He knew the odds, he knew the vote count. Our only hope was pressure from outside. Harken back to the Newtown shooting. Gun control was now a slam dunk. NOBODY could possibly shun new gun laws after such a horrific event. Young children were massacred.

The laws were dusted off after being written decades before and just shelved and the rhetoric was turned white hot to anyone that so much as uttered a peep against them. The liberals were grinning from ear to ear that another "crisis" would result in the Holy Grail of federal oppression and Fascism long sought to control free people.

The only problem, the NRA and others had ideas that made more sense than the cookie cutter confiscation the liberals had in mind. The coup de gras was when the phones started to melt in DC. The people said "Call me any name you want, I prefer freedom to slavery and I will vote against you and get everyone I can to vote against you if you weaken over the murders of 26 innocents." Just try to imagine there was an "NRA" in the health care world. Who was that organized? The phones did light up, but they didn't see the money and organization arrayed against them. Cruz tried to turn the tide and get people to protest more loudly, but the push back was immediate and overwhelming.

It really didn't have to do with Senate votes, it had to do with a lack of organization. In 21 hours, Cruz proved his metal by just DOING what he promised to do. He tried to explain the truth of ObamaCare to any geek that might tune in to CSPAN or catch the highlights on the 6'o clock news. Waiting till the last minute to organize might be considered a mistake, but IMO, he was waiting for someone to lead. No takers left the dirty deed up to him, Lee, and Paul.

In my mind,( and I've been called crazy) Cruz has elevated himself to the top pick for conservatives in '16. Try as they might to pull him down, you and I both know HE WAS RIGHT TO FIGHT. Obamcare is a Chinese fire drill and will appear more ridiculous every month. In 3 years would you rather be the guy that gave up or the guy that fought with every fiber of his being no matter the cost? If the phones had melted that day, the red state Dems would have soiled themselves and begged for mercy, but there wasn't enough opposition to get it done. Even today, the low information voters don't yet "get" that ObamaCare won't be a free giveaway. Ask one, they will tell you it's free or chump change. When it is explained to them, they have a blank stare until you change the subject.

That should have been our job for the last 3 years. Even today, people don't understand that the reason Obama gave a delay to big business is because they told him and the unions they will fire millions, cut millions more to 29 hours, and the ones left will lose their "Cadillac" plans. That has now been kicked down the road till after the 2014 election. Your company doesn't have to warn you what's about to happen, but the unions know what's coming. Do you want to count on a carve out for unions? When your company drops you to pay the fine and put you on ObamaCare, you can't go back to company paid insurance,...it's over,...the toothpaste is out of the tube.

Who in the Republican party is telling anyone this? All these smug Democrats, and even Republicans, are keeping this gem quiet. Why aren't union chiefs on BOR or Hannity every night? The talking heads are busy beating Cruz about the head about how "stupid" he is and aren't interested in the plan one year from now. What would keep Fox News from dropping BOR just to save $20k a year on his insurance? If the government was a business, we could drop congress and save hundred's of millions a year by putting them on Obamacare. BOR can pay cash, but what about the camera man?

If we could take our focus off of beating Cruz up, maybe we could get this info out there and make some of the fence sitters start to pucker up.

Nobody seems to "get" what Cruz was attempting. He knew the odds, he knew the vote count. Our only hope was pressure from outside. Harken back to the Newtown shooting. Gun control was now a slam dunk. NOBODY could possibly shun new gun laws after such a horrific event. Young children were massacred.

The laws were dusted off after being written decades before and just shelved and the rhetoric was turned white hot to anyone that so much as uttered a peep against them. The liberals were grinning from ear to ear that another "crisis" would result in the Holy Grail of federal oppression and Fascism long sought to control free people. Just try to imagine there was an "NRA" in the health care world. Who was that organized? The phones did light up, but they didn't see the money and organization arrayed against them. Cruz tried to turn the tide and get people to protest more loudly, but the push back was immediate and overwhelming.

It really didn't have to do with Senate votes, it had to do with a lack of organization. In 21 hours, Cruz proved his metal by just DOING what he promised to do. He tried to explain the truth of ObamaCare to any geek that might tune in to CSPAN or catch the highlights on the 6'o clock news. Waiting till the last minute to organize might be considered a mistake, but IMO, he was waiting for someone to lead. No takers left the dirty deed up to him, Lee, and Paul.

In my mind,( and I've been called crazy) Cruz has elevated himself to the top pick for conservatives in '16. Try as they might to pull him down, you and I both know HE WAS RIGHT TO FIGHT. Obamcare is a Chinese fire drill and will appear more ridiculous every month. In 3 years would you rather be the guy that gave up or the guy that fought with every fiber of his being no matter the cost? If the phones had melted that day, the red state Dems would have soiled themselves and begged for mercy, but there wasn't enough opposition to get it done. Even today, the low information voters don't yet "get" that ObamaCare won't be a free giveaway. Ask one, they will tell you it's free or chump change. When it is explained to them, they have a blank stare until you change the subject.

That should have been our job for the last 3 years. Even today, people don't understand that the reason Obama gave a delay to big business is because they told him and the unions they will fire millions, cut millions more to 29 hours, and the ones left will lose their "Cadillac" plans. That has now been kicked down the road till after the 2014 election. Your company doesn't have to warn you what's about to happen, but the unions know what's coming. Do you want to count on a carve out for unions? When your company drops you to pay the fine and put you on ObamaCare, you can't go back to company paid insurance,...it's over,...the toothpaste is out of the tube.

Who in the Republican party is telling anyone this? All these smug Democrats, and even Republicans, are keeping this gem quiet. Why aren't union chiefs on BOR or Hannity every night? The talking heads are busy beating Cruz about the head about how "stupid" he is and aren't interested in the plan one year from now. What would keep Fox News from dropping BOR just to save $20k a year on his insurance? If the government was a business, we could drop congress and save hundred's of millions a year by putting them on Obamacare. BOR can pay cash, but what about the camera man?

If we could take our focus off of beating Cruz up, maybe we could get this info out there and make some of the fence sitters start to pucker up.

So the bankrupt, dead beat, drunk, that hides from the repo man, is FORCED to buy insurance. Just as a general statement,....If you don’t have insurance now, you can’t afford ObamaCare. I’m looking at a family member that doesn’t have insurance now because it’s too expensive. They make $80k+. What are they going to do when Obama takes their kids away because they won’t insure them? You know it’s coming. Don’t answer the question about how many guns you have.

Looks too large to be human. Maybe an experiment?

Cruz just had a tele-town meeting with 104,000 people, yet he’s a loser.

I’m with you. With all we have going on now, this is just silly. In 6 months we will have forgotten this and still be waiting on Hillary to testify.

You know what the problem is there. THEY VOTED FOR THE BASTIDS!!!! I'll bet you ask them who they voted for and they will tell you either they didn't vote, or they voted Dem cause Mom and dad told them too, Or at least they weren't Republicans.

Dems have fooled themselves into thinking there are Christians and patriots left in the Dem party. I keep asking my neighbors why they go to church and vote Dem and they act like the baby killers and sodomites are Repubs. I tell them Romans 1 says if they approve of such things they are as guilty as the sinners. Then they throw the Log Cabin Repubs at me. Good grief! THey don't connect the ACLU and the flag burners with Dems. I don't get it, but it's true. I've switched from calling them dumb asses to Low Information Voters.

Ain’t no cookin like Tex cookin. I’ve been all around and Tex Mex and family diners just ain’t the same anywhere else. Some food in other states isn’t even recognizable. I was devastated to eat Mexican food in New Mexico and it was like cardboard with peppers on it. Anything above the Mason Dixon doesn’t even know what Chicken Fried Steak is. I’ve even been to Mexican food places in Colorado and they didn’t have jalapeno’s. I asked what kind of Mexican food place doesn’t have peppers and I thought they were going to call the police. I found out the owners were from Wisconsin. Their food was like something you get from frozen food at WalMart.

“Viet Nam, The 10,000 day War” has an episode where they said they were going to give up with the bombing of Hanoi with B-52’s, but JANE FONDA and other war protesters, gave them hope to hang in there awhile longer. They were strengthened by watching the protests in the US.

Don’t be too home sick. I don’t doubt one bit that it’s happening in Texas also. I live in Texas and am not surprised at anything anymore. That is why I want to invite people to my state, but realize they bring their crap with them. We recently had a court case on kids reading the Koran in school and another for the cheerleaders writing Bible verses on paper for the football team to run through. So far we have won both cases, but for how much longer?

I was interested in the “Setting up your own server” statement. Can someone explain the advantage in this? I have alays wondered about the anonymous servers out there. I can’t see how anything is anonymous. The hackers seem to get away with everything and no one is able to catch them.