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Considering that you've named yourself after a character on Star Trek DS9, I can only surmise that you forgot your sarcasm tag.

Quark has another meaning. I never cared much for the new Star Trek shows.

Wow, what a circus!

Here you got a thread where posters who are known, among other things, for saying fire-breathing dragons are real, the U.S. moon landings were faked, lifesaving cancer surgery is immoral and (believe it or not) that heliocentrism is controversial trying to lecture scientifically knowledgeable people on the validity of a theory (evolution) that has been known to be true for over a century. Unbelievable. Put your Bibles down for a few minutes and get a real education, folks! Science has advanced a bit since the Bronze Age!

No wonder more and more educated conservatives want nothing to do with the ignorantly fanatical crankhole the once-great science threads on this site have become.

Ummm...evolution is a religious point of view, not an observation.

Survey says...........

Evolution is a scientific observation, supported by a wealth of consilient evidence.

A religion? Please. Do some research. Try some normal science books & sources, not the propaganda printed on creationist websites. It's not accurate.

"By producing very few cones some years, the trees starve their seed predators, giving themselves an evolutionary advantage.Oh they do? They have this figured out?

Are you aware of what research warrants this conclusion? Don't you think it's worth researching that before discounting this as a scientific conclusion?

Are you aware of what research exists on the subject of coevolution between predator-prey systems? Have you checked out the paper in New Scientist, or are you just skimming a press report?

Ladies and gentlemen, it's a sad day when we see people on America's 'premiere conservative forum' insulting science they obviously don't (or can't) understand. Just a little bit of reading from a reliable science text about coevolutionary pressure would render a great deal of understanding to the subject at hand and give the posters more credibility, but this would actually require the discomfort of what trained scientists call 'learning'. It's definitely much easier to launch into backhanded insults against the science research based on a short press release.

It doesn't do conservatives well to be associated with this kind of tripe.

Merry Christmas!

I "believe" you're dealing in a mixed metaphor there, Quark. The allegation is that the proponent of evolution is being hypocritical in that one of the drivers of evolution (along with drift and survival of the fittest) is the culling of the un-fit. And if you go to the doctor rather than lingering where other predators can feed off of you, you are interrupting the typical progression of evolution.

Evolution is an observation. Observations don't morally compel us to do anything.

LOL!!! Shouldn't they rather just allow themselves to be selected OUT? For the good of the human race, of course? They're messing with evolution and natural selection right there themselves.

Believers in gravity do NOT follow their belief when walking on the edge of a cliff, or climbing a stairwell! Believers in gravity should just allow themselves to fall down the stairwell, or fall of a cliff. They're messing with gravitational force and downward acceleration right there themselves.

No, I'm saying that science corroborates Scripture. So what parts of Scripture that science corroborates are wrong? I believe that the universe had a beginning as stated in the Bbile. Science came to that same conclusion thousands of years later, too, after Einstein tried to fudge it with his cosmologic constant to make it appear steady state. Was the Earth not formless and void? Do the winds not circulate? Did the universe not expand? How can you tell me Scripture is wrong about those things and just a bunch of myths and science is right, when science came to those same conclusions thousands of years later? Then you'd have to say science is wrong about those things happening.

In the same concrete way Scripture corroborates these scientific theories, it also corroborates evolution:

Ecclesiastes 3:18
I also thought, "As for men, God tests them so that they may see that they are like the animals."

Amazing again that the Bible predicted the success of the theory of evolution thousands of years before Darwin.

Absence of proof is not proof of absence. The Bible's authors obviously did not think it necessary to detail the entire taxonomic list of dinosaurs, just like it did not deem it necessary to list any other species.

Well, there is a vivid detail that the Bible provided about the 'dinosaur' called Leviathan (Job 41:19-21):

19 Firebrands stream from his mouth; sparks of fire shoot out.

20 Smoke pours from his nostrils as from a boiling pot over a fire of reeds.

21 His breath sets coals ablaze, and flames dart from his mouth.

Does this mean that some dinosaurs could breathe fire?

Not 'mainstream science,' but humanist philosophy. You can't keep calling evolutionism science. It's at odds with the body of fact, and supported only by deeply held belief. This isn't some marxist university; it's an open forum of sensible people who have rejected this foolishness out of hand.

You wouldn't know science if it sat on your face. You don't even believe in surgery, for God's sake, or that the earth is over 5000 years old! You'd best leave science to the pros, because you've demonstrated over and over and over again here that you are a crank of the highest caliber. There may be an audience for that crap on FR, but in the real world of real research and real data, it doesn't hold water, and you and your ilk are just mad because you overestimate the veracity of your own ideas and get called on it constantly.

You mean 'the consensus of self-serving bureaucrats supported by public funds who have to kiss up to other self-serving bureaucrats to keep the money rolling in'. The true 'professionals' get kicked out if they depart from the party line.

Ah, of course! The "my theory is being suppressed by 'mainstream science'" line, one of the classic hallmarks of cranks. No crackpot theory is complete without it!

(Of course, it never occurs to cranks that the reason for the 'suppression' is that their theory is actually wrong; in this case, way, way wrong.)

Ah, truth by popular vote. Good for science and good for America.

Ah, let's see - truth by the consensus of professionals in a relevant area of expertise actually trained to analyze, interpret and review data properly, or truth by consensus of Gourmet Dan and the Discovery Institute. Tough call...

Oh yeah, Judge Jones has a real handle on science!"

Jones' decision was to leave science to scientists. A good one.

Biological scientists overwhelmingly accept evolution.

God bless the Discovery Institute for their tireless efforts to publish the truth about the inability of the judicial 'process' to recognize what science is and what it is not.

Oh yeah, the Discovery Institute has a real handle on science!

(If only mainstream science would listen to my theory!!!!)

God bless Judge Jones and his sound decision to keep U.S. science education on solid footing!

Darwinian evolution, RM/NS/heritability, posits small changes over long periods of time. So, I'll need somebody to help me out with how increases in O2 and nutrient levels explains "the sudden appearance of large animal fossils".

The Cambrian "explosion" took place over millions of years; it was not "sudden" (a fact well-known to anyone who cares to do a few minutes of research).

The answer is that Lucy's skeleton was found all in one place and the story about the "knee-joint being found far away" is a load of hoopla.

Oh BTW, real sources not disguised talk-orgins links.

Yes, if there was a website out there containing scientific information from reputable sources as diverse, well-organized and well-referenced as Talkorigins that contradicted my religious beliefs, I wouldn't want anyone using it in an argument against me either.

Little do you know how little scientists know, too, for that matter.

Crank.

Quit while you're not so far behind.

So, as I understand it now, Halloween, Harry Potter, the Lord of the Rings, the Theory of Evolution, the Big Bang Theory, modern contraception, vaccinations, standardized academic testing, latitudinarian religious study courses, yoga, Dungeons and Dragons, the Wizard of Oz, and just about everything else under the sun are plots to suppress and destroy Christianity by releasing demons?

I guess when being persecuted is the highest aspiration of one's faith, one will find as many things as possible to persecute them...