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To: aMorePerfectUnion

It is a shame that Bible only believers do not understand the Bible and God’s Truths.

Why Pray to Mary? Because Jesus has given us his Blessed Mother as our great spiritual mother (Rev.12:17), a heavenly advocate who intercedes for us.

Some Christians will ask, “Why pray to Mary when we can go directly to Jesus?” And yet they have no problem asking others here on earth to pray for them, instead of simply and solely praying to Jesus on their own. Indeed, St. Paul says that God grants blessings “in answer to many prayers” (2 Cor. 1:11). And if the prayer of a righteous man on earth avails much with God (Jas. 5:16–18), how much more would prayers from one who has finished the race and now reigns with Christ in heaven?

Scripture elsewhere speaks of the “the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven” and “the spirits of just men made perfect” (Heb. 12:23, emphasis added). Given their heavenly perfection in Jesus, which would include perfection in charity and thus concern for their brothers and sisters in Christ on earth (see 1 Cor. 2:12-26), we should not be surprised that Scripture presents these holy men and women of heaven bringing our prayers to Jesus the Lamb (Rev. 5:8), and that from the early Church onward Christians have asked the intercession of the saints who have gone before them to heaven.

In this light, we see that the saints—as faithful disciples of Jesus—are his collaborators, not his competitors in interceding for us. Consequently, because Mary is the Mother of God and the disciple par excellence (see Luke 1:28, 38), we should not be surprised that she is our preeminent intercessor among the angels and saints.

If you don’t understand God’s Truths in the Bible, how are you ever going to understand all of God’s Truths?

https://www.catholic.com/qa/why-pray-to-mary

The faith of the Church is that the saints are not really dead, but are fully alive in Jesus Christ, who is life itself (John 11:25; 14:6) and the bread of life who bestows life on all who eat his flesh and drink his blood (John 6:35, 48, 51, 53-56). The saints are alive in heaven because of the life they have received through their faith in Christ Jesus and through their eating of his body and blood.

The book of Revelation shows the saints worshipping God, singing hymns, playing instruments, making requests to Christ to avenge their martyrdom, and offering prayers for the saints on earth (Rev. 4:10, 5:8, 6:9-11).

First, God expects us to pray for one another. We see this in both the Old and New Testaments.

In a dream, God commanded King Abimelech to ask Abraham to intercede for him: “For [Abraham] is a prophet and he will pray for you, so you shall live” (Gen. 20:7). When the Lord is angry with Job’s friends because they did not speak rightly about God, he tells them, “Let my servant Job pray for you because I will accept his [prayer], lest I make a terror on you” (Job 42:8).

Paul wrote to the Romans: “I exhort you, brothers, through our Lord Jesus Christ and through the love of the Spirit, to strive with me in prayers to God on my behalf, that I may be delivered from the disobedient in Judaea and that my ministry may be acceptable to the saints in Jerusalem, so that in the joy coming to you through the will of God I may rest with you” (Rom. 15:30-32).

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/the-bible-supports-praying-to-the-saints

I will pray for you so that Jesus will give you the graces to understand HIS WORD and believe.


45 posted on 04/09/2024 10:08:05 AM PDT by ADSUM ( )
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To: ADSUM
--> It is a shame that Bible only believers A shame there is no such thing... --> Because Jesus has given us his Blessed Mother as our great spiritual mother (Rev.12:17), a heavenly advocate who intercedes for us. Neither ever happened. Rev 12:17 is about Israel, not Mary. --> how much more would prayers from one who has finished the race and now reigns with Christ in heaven? Nice try! But believers are never commanded, nor taught to pray to departed saints. Ever. Nor did it ever happen before 100ad during the time of the Apostles on earth. --> Scripture presents these holy men and women of heaven bringing our prayers to Jesus the Lamb (Rev. 5:8), Good try again! the “prayers of the saints” are symbolized as golden bowls of incense, held by twenty-four elders. These are not prayers of those in heaven. Nor does Scripture nor an Apostle teach those departed saints in heaven can hear our prayers on earth - nor to pray to them. Totally stolen from Greek demigods and demigoddesses. --> If you don’t understand God’s Truths in the Bible, how are you ever going to understand all of God’s Truths? And clearly you don't based on what you posted. it is all made up with some verse references smeared on top to make it sound true.
48 posted on 04/09/2024 10:17:47 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: ADSUM; aMorePerfectUnion
It is a shame that Bible only believers do not understand the Bible and God’s Truths.

And you'd be wrong yet again in these discussions.

Why Pray to Mary? Because Jesus has given us his Blessed Mother as our great spiritual mother (Rev.12:17), a heavenly advocate who intercedes for us.

Mary, despite the desperate attempts by Roman Catholicism to twist Scripture, was NEVER given to us at any point in history to be our advocate, mediatrix, auxilatrix, and all of the other false titles attributed to Mary by Roman Catholicism.

In fact, all of these false titles contradict Scripture which clearly indicates that Jesus is our only Advocate and Mediator.

And the Roman Catholic again wrongly argues that proximity to Heaven somehow increases the prayer of an individual. And the Roman Catholic wrongly argues that Mary is somehow reigning in Heaven.

And the Roman Catholic again argues incorrectly that we are to pray to individuals in Heaven. Which is kinda ironic in a way in that Roman Catholicism must admit the majority of their members are in Purgatory as there have only been a small number of people who have been authorized to pray to....per Roman Catholicism but not Scripture.

In this light, we see that the saints—as faithful disciples of Jesus—are his collaborators, not his competitors in interceding for us. Consequently, because Mary is the Mother of God and the disciple par excellence (see Luke 1:28, 38), we should not be surprised that she is our preeminent intercessor among the angels and saints.

This presumption that Mary is the preeminent intercessor again contradicts Scripture when Jesus noted that of all born of women there was none greater than John.

“Truly I say to you, among those born of women there has not arisen anyone greater than John the Baptist! Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. Matthew 11:11 NASB 95

The faith of the Church is that the saints are not really dead, but are fully alive in Jesus Christ, who is life itself (John 11:25; 14:6) and the bread of life who bestows life on all who eat his flesh and drink his blood (John 6:35, 48, 51, 53-56). The saints are alive in heaven because of the life they have received through their faith in Christ Jesus and through their eating of his body and blood.

Again, who are these people claimed by Roman Catholicism....have they made it out of Purgatory?? How does the Roman Catholic know if their mom or dad has been cleared out of Purgatory....or, that they even made it there in the first place.

The issues with Rome's understanding of John 6 have been discussed elsewhere and shown to be incorrect.

56 posted on 04/09/2024 12:39:18 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ADSUM
In a dream, God commanded King Abimelech to ask Abraham to intercede for him: “For [Abraham] is a prophet and he will pray for you, so you shall live” (Gen. 20:7). When the Lord is angry with Job’s friends because they did not speak rightly about God, he tells them, “Let my servant Job pray for you because I will accept his [prayer], lest I make a terror on you” (Job 42:8).

Paul wrote to the Romans: “I exhort you, brothers, through our Lord Jesus Christ and through the love of the Spirit, to strive with me in prayers to God on my behalf, that I may be delivered from the disobedient in Judaea and that my ministry may be acceptable to the saints in Jerusalem, so that in the joy coming to you through the will of God I may rest with you” (Rom. 15:30-32).

You do understand the difference in these two passages....right??

There was a fundamental change that happened between these two passages.

Know what it is?

57 posted on 04/09/2024 1:12:40 PM PDT by ealgeone
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