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When The Intent Is To Mislead… People Can Use The Bible To Justify Any Position They Want
Harbingers Daily ^ | 11/23/23 | Ken Ham

Posted on 11/25/2023 4:22:12 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal

People can use the bible to justify any position they want when they take words out of context, or read into the text what is not there.

On April 22, 2014, a new attack on the reliability and perspicuity of Scripture was released. “God and the Gay Christian” was a book that sought to teach readers that the Bible condones living a monogamous homosexual lifestyle. That attack continues today in the church.

The author was Matthew Vines, openly homosexual man and a professing Christian. Being an openly practicing homosexual and claiming to be a Christian often means the person has an agenda to attempt to make the Words of Scripture fit with his worldview. This was certainly the case with Matthew Vines. His attitude toward Scripture was like that of Christians who believe in evolution and millions of years, and thus reinterpret the clear words of Genesis to fit their already held beliefs. It is compromise right down the line. We do pray the church realizes this!

Sadly, a number of Christian leaders offered their praise of Vines’s book.

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I believe it is important to boldly stand against the ideas Matthew Vines promoted in the book by saying unequivocally that the book “God and the Gay Christian” is dangerous to Christianity.

(Excerpt) Read more at harbingersdaily.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: abomination; apostasy; bible; gays; heresy; homosexualagenda; matthewvines; sataniclies
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To: Kharis13
My response to that is always the same: "Jesus said you must be born again."

EXCELLENT response. I'm going to remember that.

21 posted on 11/25/2023 7:20:56 AM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: lgjhn23

Exactly.


22 posted on 11/25/2023 7:24:18 AM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Some people are born addicted to crack.
I’ve never heard anyone suggest they should continue as an addict because they were born that way.


23 posted on 11/25/2023 7:24:39 AM PST by samiam5
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To: RoosterRedux
It is quite possible that the Bible is intended to sound incomprehensible to non-believers.

Rather, Barton examples those, who, like exegesis-ignorant anti-theists he parrots, typically ignore context immediate and or larger, and linguistics, etc., and confuse complementarity with contradictions. Such as in asserting that statements as Titus 1:2 contradict statements as 2 Thessalonians 2:9-10.

24 posted on 11/25/2023 8:54:06 AM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

If that ain’t good’nuff; then an apparition will come alongside to help out.


25 posted on 11/25/2023 8:57:45 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: All

Text without context is pretext…


26 posted on 11/25/2023 8:58:06 AM PST by bennowens
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

One can use the Bible to mislead even if the intent is not to mislead; because a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.


27 posted on 11/25/2023 8:59:51 AM PST by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

I am going to go out on a limb and say that penitent homosexuals may get caught up in weakness, but they never try to promote or justify the practice.

 

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

  9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
      Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. 
But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...
 
 

28 posted on 11/25/2023 9:00:40 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: imabadboy99
God called it an abomination.

Even BEFORE the LAW was given to Moses!

29 posted on 11/25/2023 9:01:34 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kharis13

One of the Evil One’s favorite tools is to deceive one into believing sin is a blessing from God. He does this usually by making it something extremely pleasurable and satisfying. . “It can’t be wrong if it feels so right!”


30 posted on 11/25/2023 9:05:40 AM PST by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative)
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To: Elsie

Sorry Elsie, but once saved, always saved means “Christians” can do whatever they want after their microsecond of Grace. No amount of sin, no matter what it is, or how long it continues, will keep a “Christian Saint” out of heaven. God wouldn’t do that. I heard that on Prophecy Watchers. Yep, God’s law is only for the unsaved. Doesn’t apply to “Christians”. A “Christian” reverting back to any sin, including homosexuality? No problem. FR bible experts said so. /s


31 posted on 11/25/2023 9:17:12 AM PST by Philsworld (It's all short quips and funny memes, until you find that you've come up short in the judgment. )
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To: Elsie

Nailed to the cross, Elsie. (nailed to the cross).


32 posted on 11/25/2023 9:18:16 AM PST by Philsworld (It's all short quips and funny memes, until you find that you've come up short in the judgment. )
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To: daniel1212
Barton examples those, who, like exegesis-ignorant anti-theists he parrots, typically ignore context immediate and or larger, and linguistics, etc., and confuse complementarity with contradictions.

In all due respect, that sentence sounds as if it was written by an academic for other academics.

Are you an academic?

33 posted on 11/25/2023 9:23:30 AM PST by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: RoosterRedux; daniel1212

[[It is quite possible that the Bible is intended to sound incomprehensible to non-believers.]]

In a video titled, “Christianity’s Fatal Error”, a fellow takes the position that God cannot be “omni-” as Christianity claims because He has done such a poor job of leaving a document about himself that is poorly written and impossible to understand.
Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5aZXXx3E6U&ab_channel=HolyKoolaid

Could it be that a God, who is not only “omni-” but “Mega-omni-” is capable of writing in such a way that one reader will exclaim, “Fabulous! Now I know how to save my soul.” while another reader will say that “Every page of this is just a bunch of gibberish.” ???


34 posted on 11/25/2023 9:30:10 AM PST by NorthStarOkie (Satan doesn't have to lie if he can confuse us about the truth.)
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To: NorthStarOkie
And so that the enemy, Satan and his minions, cannot understand a word of it.

As my tagline says, a person can only find the truth if he is sincerely seeking the truth. Anyone who already has his mind made up will only see things that confirm his bias.

35 posted on 11/25/2023 9:41:14 AM PST by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: lgjhn23
“..There’s a difference between saying *I’m a *gay* Christian* and saying that *I’m a Christian who struggles with same sex attraction*

The person who says, "I am a gay Christian." is no longer struggling against their same sex attraction.

36 posted on 11/25/2023 10:59:32 AM PST by aimhigh (1 John 3:23 "And THIS is His commandment . . . . ")
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To: Kharis13

That’s the right answer!


37 posted on 11/25/2023 11:06:55 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: Elsie

Or some dude named “father” tells them what path to take in their life maybe?


38 posted on 11/25/2023 11:08:12 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: RoosterRedux

That is plausible to me.

The Bible always confirms itself over and over again in Scripture.

When a debased mind cannot comprehend the error of their ways based on what is written and what they read - that could easily spell doom for many.

Most don’t want to know the truth.


39 posted on 11/25/2023 11:10:32 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: aimhigh
I'm a heterosexual Christian and I still struggle with my attraction to women, particularly when there are images of scantily clad women popping up in ads on many pages of the internet. I have learned to avert my eyes, but the temptation is always there.

And I know Christians who used to drink and do drugs who still struggle with temptation.

40 posted on 11/25/2023 11:19:54 AM PST by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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