Posted on 11/19/2019 5:34:45 AM PST by metmom
Studying God’s Word ping
“no one is given salvation unless the person receives it?”
Are you amoung those who teach that man can do nothing to help in his salvation?
This looks like you are teaching that man must do something.
Please help me understand why you believe this is not what it looks like.
Law keeping, no matter what the works involved, does not make one righteous before God.
Believing, which means trusting God to do what He promised, does.
Romans 4:3-8 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works: “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin.”
Thank you for explaining your belief about a person choosing to receive salvation.
To me, choosing to do something different, (ie. choosing to recieve salvation) is an active thought to do the work necessary indide ones head to change a habit of thought.
To me changing one’s habit of thought is work.
Again, thank you
It’s not changing a habit of thought.
It’s deciding to ask Jesus to forgive you and HE makes you reborn with new spiritual life.
Your thoughts will indeed change but only because you now have a new nature, not because of some effort on my part to think differently.
“It’s deciding to ask...”
Again, I see this as mental work, just restated.
Just because a person responds does not mean it's a work, as if it's something we do to justify OURSELVES nor does it justify calling it salvation by works which is us earning our salvation.
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
Thank you
I still don’t think you get it.
Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”
Galatians 2:15-21 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not! For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor. For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
I have found that people who insist on calling putting their faith in Christ and believing on Him a *work* are simply looking to justify their own works based religion or belief system.
Religion, rituals, baptism, church membership or attendance, doing things in an effort to pay for sin, does NOT cave anyone.
God Himself justifies the ungodly when they trust Him. That is the only way that our sins can be dealt with.
Are you saying that the only thing that counts as works are the things in Mosaic law?
Man-made or not.
If the Law of God could not save, and it couldn't, then nothing that man substitutes for it can either.
Ephesians 2:4-7 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Are you saying that all physical actions are counted as works.
And
Any thought is my responsibility and I need proper thoughts to accept the gift of salvation.
I have heard other evangelicals say that I cannot even want to be saved without God giving me the thought that I want to be saved.
Am I responsible for starting my thoughts to be saved, or do I have to wait untill God gives me the thoughts to be saved?
It really *does* make perfect sense. He said He'd destroy the wisdom of the wise, so there you have it.
The line falls between asking for salvation and attempting to earn salvation...
Looks like?
This would be a construct in YOUR mind.
First; you'd have to point out the language that creates this vision in your head; as we take mindreading on FR to be a no-no.
I see a satisfactory has already been given.
Ignore what I just posted above.
” God’s sovereignty and human responsibility are inseparable in salvation. “
Thank you for your time. I know I can get farther into the nuts and bolts of how things work than many are comfortable.
I still find confusion in your teachings that man can do nothing to help with salvation and your teacher talking about man’s responsibility in salvation.
If I can do nothing then there is nothing to be responsible for.
God must draw you to even have the desire to be saved.
Our responsibility is to respond and that means confessing our sin, agreeing with God that it is sin and we've done it, IOW, take responsibility for it, and asking Him to forgive you.
Genuine salvation is accompanied by repentance, which is turning from our sin and turning TO Christ.
It's just not enough for forsake sin, while that is good in and of itself, one must turn to Christ to be saved.
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