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Amazon Synod Report: ‘I Want the Confusion’
Church Militant ^ | October 7, 2019 | Michael Voris

Posted on 10/07/2019 11:56:31 AM PDT by ebb tide

Edited on 10/09/2019 1:14:57 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Every synod here in Rome under Francis always introduces a whole new vocabulary, new terms and new themes that result in loads of confusion — meaning no one has the slightest idea what they actually mean.

Depending on who is reading them or listening to them, they could mean a hundred different things. These terms seem to be deliberately left ambiguous.

If you are trying to upset the established order, ambiguity is a very helpful dynamic.

For example, in today's press conference, elastic terms popped up everywhere: space for disciples; authentic expressions; a Church that is not closed; a Church that learns from the people of the forest; synodal listening; a Church that is not self-referential; and of course the overarching "New Pathways."

These terms have no actual meaning on their own. They need to be given their meaning, and this is where the danger of this synod lies. The confusion is rampant in this kind of vocabulary.

But there is an explanation for this and it's actually pretty simple — eye-opening in fact.

Pope Francis was having a conversation with some intimates a while back, and one of them made the observation that some of the vocabulary is confusing and needed some clarity.

The Pope's response revealed a lot.

The Pope said, 'I want the confusion.' That comment was so striking, it stirs fear in the soul — great concern.Tweet

He said, "I want the confusion." Let us repeat that, the Pope said, "I want the confusion." That comment was so striking, it stirs fear in the soul — great concern.

But it has the benefit of framing this entire papacy and all its actions. The self-contradictions, the refusal to respond to the dubia and so forth. The question people ask is: Why? Why would the Pope want confusion?

The answer to that question may be hidden in the philosophy of some South Americans who greatly influenced the future pope — men like Juan Carlos Scannone, who developed what he called a "theology of the people," as well as a poet Rubén DaríoNot to be left out from the influencers list would the liberation theology proponent Gustavo Gutiérrez.

Collectively, these philosophers maintain that in order to upend the established order, confusion must be promoted. 

Then the confusion will promote a type of conflict, and from that conflict, a new reality will be ushered in.

This raises another set of ideas. If the Pope is encouraging confusion so that a new reality is born, is this new reality something he already imagines and, his in mind, is a goal? Or is it that something just develops and wherever the chips fall, they fall, and then we deal with that new reality as it presents itself?

For example, after the opening Mass at St. Peter's, a group of Indians from the Amazon unfurled a banner celebrating Mother Earth. They got rushed away quickly by Vatican guards, but not before having made a statement.

The theology of Mother Earth raises creation to a divine status. It's why Mother Earth is worshipped. That's paganism.

Whatever is going on and meant by all this, it's clear that at least some are concluding that Mother Earth has some kind of equal or parallel footing with the Catholic Church, that the two can somehow by synthesized.

That would create an entirely new religion.

This became evident in today's press conference when a question was asked about the meaning or symbolism of the naked pregnant woman statute which was presented to the Pope at the pagan-worshipping, tree-planting ceremony in the Vatican gardens Friday.

There is no such thing, no divine mandate, that the Church be so much of a listening Church that it listens to paganism and heresy.Tweet

A reporter asked the panel what was the meaning of the statue, what is represented by it. Was it the Virgin Mary? Was it Mother Earth? What was it?

The answer provided no clarity — not much of a surprise. The answer was, bottom line, it has different meanings to different people — fair enough, that's true. But that is a problem.  

Catholicism is distinguished by its clarity: 2,000 years of clear thought. 

And while no human vocabulary can capture all the mystery of the Faith and divine revelation, it can rule out propositions opposed to it. It can point to contradictions and logical flaws that must never be allowed.

The work of theology is more of a work of negation than positive assertion. It leaves us to ponder the mystery of what's left after all that is untrue has been filtered out.

Mother Earth worship cannot logically stand beside along with Catholicism. The two are opposed.

If Mother Earth is "divine" and to be worshipped, which it most certainly is in Amazonian cultures, then the created Mother Earth is on equal footing with the uncreated God.

That is heresy in that it denies the meaning of the divinity itself. It is these dangers in this Amazon Synod that have the faithful deeply concerned about all the ambiguous talk and expressions and vocabulary.

In its very conception, its way of expressing itself, it is anti-Catholic — not just non-Catholic, but anti-Catholic.

There is no such thing, no divine mandate, that the Church be so much of a listening Church that it listens to paganism and heresy.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: confusion; dictatorpope; francischism
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The Pope said, 'I want the confusion.' That comment was so striking, it stirs fear in the soul — great concern.
1 posted on 10/07/2019 11:56:31 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
a Church that learns from the people of the forest

Huh? Elves? Fairies? Leprechauns?

2 posted on 10/07/2019 12:00:03 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: ebb tide
The Pope said, 'I want the confusion.'

The Pope said? Sounds like something a demon would say.

3 posted on 10/07/2019 12:01:10 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: ebb tide
Collectively, these philosophers maintain that in order to upend the established order, confusion must be promoted. Then the confusion will promote a type of conflict, and from that conflict, a new reality will be ushered in.

That sounds a lot like "dialectic materialism" … straight outta Marx and Engels.

4 posted on 10/07/2019 12:02:39 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: ebb tide

Today, with the procession of the idol into St. Peter’s and its reverent reception by Francis and the assembled clergy, was the absolutely unmistakable sign of the Great Apostasy. How much clearer can it be? There’s no confusion about it at all.

But I have yet to hear a single member of the clergy say anything about it. It’s only the laypeople who are upset. So perhaps this means that the clergy apostasized long ago and none of them has really believed the Catholic Faith for years.


5 posted on 10/07/2019 12:03:07 PM PDT by livius
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To: ebb tide

“...meaning no one has the slightest idea what they actually mean...”

That’s what happens when you try and make sense out of the utterings of a madman.


6 posted on 10/07/2019 12:05:43 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: Al Hitan; Coleus; DuncanWaring; ebb tide; Fedora; irishjuggler; Jaded; JoeFromSidney; kalee; ...

Ping


7 posted on 10/07/2019 12:08:22 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: NorthMountain

“...new terms and new themes that result in loads of confusion...”

Terms like LGBTQ, climate change/global warming, carbon footprint, intersectionality,social justice, gender self-identification etc? Don’t fret ...no one knows what the hell this bull crap means.


8 posted on 10/07/2019 12:12:51 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: NorthMountain
Bergoglio is diabolical. Not a doubt in my mind.
9 posted on 10/07/2019 12:14:03 PM PDT by utahagen (but but)
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To: Bonemaker

The confusion is deliberate and of demonic origin. The people behind it are neither stupid nor insane; not in the usual sense of the words. They’re evil and they know what they’re doing.


10 posted on 10/07/2019 12:14:30 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: ebb tide
I've got Synod fatigue already and we're only one day in! Imagine three weeks of this $#!*.

I'm not sure I can survive this insanity.........

11 posted on 10/07/2019 12:18:26 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: ebb tide

“God is not the author of confusion.”—1 Corinthians 14:33


12 posted on 10/07/2019 12:32:19 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: livius

Here’s Fr. Mark’s reply from yesterday that is pretty good (3 min) but he has been chastised in the past by his bishop(s) for preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ. God bless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRmAezu1WSE


13 posted on 10/07/2019 12:40:31 PM PDT by Shark24
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To: ebb tide

A reporter asked the panel what was the meaning of the statue, what is represented by it. Was it the Virgin Mary? Was it Mother Earth? What was it?

The answer provided no clarity — not much of a surprise. The answer was, bottom line, it has different meanings to different people — fair enough, that's true. But that is a problem.

That's odd. His sycophants said the two statues were the Blessed Mother and St. Elizabeth. You mean they lied?

14 posted on 10/07/2019 1:04:45 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod (To restore all things in Christ~~Appeasing evil is cowardice~~Francis is temporary. Hell is forever.)
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To: NorthMountain

People who routinely practice infanticide; people who routinely lose the adult male members of their tribes due to warfare with adjacent tribes.


15 posted on 10/07/2019 1:05:49 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

People the Church should be teaching and elevating, not emulating.


16 posted on 10/07/2019 1:06:57 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: ebb tide

So when Christ said, “let your yes, be yes, and your no, no,” it does not apply to Francis?

Or when Christ said, “I am the resurrection and the life, he that believes in me though he were dead, will live; and I will lift him up on the last day,” it didn’t include Francis’ viewpoint of natural spirituality and paganism?

What happened to “no one can come to Me unless the Father draw him.”

What bible are the Jesuits using now? The great missionaries of Japan, China and throughout the world, St. Ignatius, must be weeping.


17 posted on 10/07/2019 1:48:08 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: livius

Can you clarify about the idol? I saw the garden ritual and the female statuette. I did not see the Basilica rituals/mass. Was it the same idol both times...!?


18 posted on 10/07/2019 2:10:05 PM PDT by Marchmain (i am female)
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To: NorthMountain
That sounds a lot like "dialectic materialism" … straight outta Marx and Engels.

Which Marx, Karl or Reinhard?

19 posted on 10/07/2019 4:14:11 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide
and of course the overarching "New Pathways."

There is only one path we are supposed to be on and it is described as narrow.

20 posted on 10/07/2019 4:40:18 PM PDT by xp38
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