Posted on 08/05/2019 12:36:20 PM PDT by Morgana
Abortion is murder in Judaism, unless the mother’s life is in danger from giving birth.
Thank you. First in to say so.
I’m not Jewish either, but I would think that modern medicine has made the caveats in the Jewish tradition moot. If the mother’s life is in danger a doctor would do a caesarean delivery, not an abortion. The one point of view we never seem to hear is that of doctors. IIRC, the AMA has said flatly that late term abortion is NEVER necessary. So under what circumstances would they say any abortion is “necessary”?
“Thou shalt not murder” is clear enough any child can understand it.
It takes many generations of “wise” Rabbis to rationalize their way from that to this.
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Actually Jewish law authorities agree with your observations.
https://jewishprolifefoundation.org/rabbis
From Jeremiah 1:
4 The word of the Lord came to me, saying,
5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
before you were born I set you apart;
I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”
Ya don’t get more Jewish than the prophet Jeremiah. I call BS on the article claim that a fetus is not a soul in the eyes of the Jews. If I was a committed abortionist, these two verses would cause me to tremble with fear.
Most Jews could care less about Jewish law and abortion. If they cared about Jewish law, they would oppose LGBT.
This entire argument is moot. Federal law trumps state law in the case of abortion. Doe vs Bolton allows abortion up to the day of delivery if the mother’s health is at risk. Of course, the mother’s health includes physical, mental, social, and economic....so basically for any reason. These state laws restricting abortion are a canard IMO.
take it from a Jew... abortion is clearly prohibited and murder under Jewish law.
I ask the same question every time this subject comes up: if the child is viable outside the womb, what justification is there to KILL it? There are circumstances where the baby must be delivered to save the mother’s life- pre-eclampsia for one- but delivering the baby solves that problem. Why then do they insist you must kill that child? They use the “saving the life of the mother” excuse all the time but never answer that question.
“Jewish law does not consider the fetus to be a being with a soul until it is born.”
Yet in the Kapparoth prayer, a pregnant woman is to sacrifice a chicken to provide an atonement for her unborn — clearly indicating a belief that the unborn child is a being with a soul.
Proverbs 6:16-19 There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.
You have to consider that there are two types of Jews in New York:
1) The Hasidim. I believe they are pro-life all the way, would need to ask my wife’s aunt to be sure.
2) Self-loathing Jews. Think Woody Allen or Richard Lewis. They make excuses for being Jewish. To them, whatever the DNC says supersedes anything written in the Torah.
“Jewish” beliefs are not monolithic any more than Christian beliefs are.
Also, it is unfortunate that the majority of religious Jews elevate commentaries above the actual scriptures, because the actual scriptures say that is an unborn baby is harmed in an act of violence, justice is eye for eye, tooth for tooth, and life for life.
Exodus 21:22-25
If men fight, and hurt a woman with child, so that she gives birth prematurely, yet no harm follows, he shall surely be punished accordingly as the woman’s husband imposes on him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
Very few fetuses are renowned in history for their pre-natal deeds, but as it happens, the first person to rejoice at the news of the coming of the Lord, was a fetus.
And he was Jewish!
First, there is lots of good analysis at the beginning, but in the end, the writer’s conclusions do not follow. The only situation that would justify abortion would be when the birth places the life of the mother at a greater risk than is part of the natural birthing process or via any intervention that is safe and effective to provide the birth of this child, such as C-section.
Jews have no right to impose our halakhic law upon the larger society, and no abortion law that I know of imposes an absolute ban when the life of the mother is in immanent danger.
Recently, many Christians have picked up upon the conceptual ties to the current abortion argument and the cult of Molech. This is the appropriate way of framing the issue. Arguing that children should be aborted because they “could” become criminals is wrong. Or arguing that economic opportunity justifies abortion is essentially the very substance of Molech worship.
The issue with abortion is and will always be the issue of birth control. Birth Control fails at a statistically predictable rate. If you have sex out of marriage, the number of opportunities to become pregnant vs. the failure rate creates an increasing envelop of likelyhood that a pregnancy will result. The push for birth control was to create freedom for women to have sexual relationships out of marriage. This is and has been a losing proposition for women (as a whole) since the idea was put forward but a significant minority of women deeply appreciate this freedom and want to maintain it. This is because people just don’t and won’t agree on these things except in the most general way. Abortion restrictions create consequence that drives the equation of consideration so that society once again favors sex within marriage. #MeToo is all about this same issue..
This is based upon the same idea that if someone (called a rodef) comes to kill you, you should rise up and kill him first.
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