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NY Archdiocese Priest: Jesus Did Not Understand Homosexuality
JosephSciambra.com ^ | May 10, 2018 | Joseph Sciambra

Posted on 05/11/2018 7:25:14 AM PDT by ebb tide

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To: boatbums
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one. John 10:27-30

John is the book I suggest non-believers read if they have questions about Christianity.

141 posted on 05/12/2018 3:42:36 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: boatbums; metmom; Mom MD; MayflowerMadam; ealgeone
Yes, let's be honest. I left the Roman Catholic church at 16 years old, I wasn't looking for a divorce or an abortion nor did the "stinking rules" bother me.

I was also raised in the Roman Catholic Church too. (Yes, we called it the Roman Catholic Church) I went to a Roman Catholic grade school and a Roman Catholic high school. I don’t think I knew even one Catholic, who expected to go to Heaven. There may have been some. It’s just that I never personally knew any.
I remember telling one of the Roman Catholic nuns, that I hoped to go to Heaven, when I croaked. She thought I was crazier than a loon. I suppose maybe she thought she was heading to the fires of Hell.
I left the Roman Catholic Church, because I wanted to go to Heaven, and realized that, as a Catholic, I wasn’t going to go to Heaven. I don’t know why people remain in the “one true church,” when they have NO assurance of ANYTHING. For me, it wasn’t going to cut the mustard, so I left the Roman Catholic Church, never to return. I am comfortable with that. 👍😁

142 posted on 05/12/2018 3:45:26 PM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: Mom MD; ADSUM
You folks are the ones who are good at rewriting history and calling it equal to scripture.

That ain't even the half of it!

Forgeries and the Papacy The Historical Influence and Use of Forgeries in Promotion of the Doctrine of the Papacy

143 posted on 05/12/2018 3:48:02 PM PDT by boatbums (The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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To: boatbums

It’s all about a power grab.


144 posted on 05/12/2018 3:58:40 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: Luircin
All of this, far as I can see, comes from the ‘One True Church’ vanity. Trying to cover up pedos? If they became known, people might leave the ‘One True Church.’ Can’t have that, so let’s just move them around!

You forgot the part about the pedos, prochoicers, etc. aren't "really" Catholics. We have several on these threads who adamantly claim that even their current Pope isn't Catholic!

145 posted on 05/12/2018 3:59:52 PM PDT by boatbums (The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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To: cherry
lets not pretend that Baptists and Lutherans and Mormon "leaders" have not raped children....you can read about it every single day about some Christian minister doing just that...

Sure they do but where a Baptist pastor may molest one kid, a Catholic priest may molest 1 or two hundred...And then be moved to another location to continue his perversion...

lets also be honest about why people leave the Catholic church...they want a divorce...they want an abortion...they don't want any stinking rules telling them how to live their lives..

According to the latest numbers from the Guttmacher Institute, 24 percent of women who procure abortions identify as Catholic, almost the same as 22 percent of all U.S. women who called themselves Catholic in a 2014 survey by Pew Research Center.
In the same sources, evangelical Protestants made up 27 percent of all women in the United States but only 13 percent of those who underwent abortions, revealing a greater reluctance toward choosing abortion, a greater reluctance toward revealing their religion on a survey or both.

Facts matter...

146 posted on 05/12/2018 4:15:24 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: ADSUM
It is not the official name of the Catholic Church.
Again if it repeated enough, some will use it.
It is still the Church that Christ founded.

Of course it ISN'T...The church that Jesus Christ founded had a requirement that all of its pastors to be married, to women, and have a bunch of well behaved kids...

That's the first thing to look for when searching for the one, true church...

147 posted on 05/12/2018 4:20:35 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Elsie
Mormons are NOT 'Christians'!!

They're just as 'Christian' as Catholics, and possibly Izlamaniacs...

It's us who they doubt...

148 posted on 05/12/2018 4:22:57 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool
Ouch, that’s gonna leave a scar, bro. 😁
149 posted on 05/12/2018 4:50:05 PM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: boatbums

A very interesting website indeed.


150 posted on 05/12/2018 5:49:27 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: boatbums

I know right?

I’d respect some people more if they said that Pope Frank is terrible, and maybe they need to rethink the idea of concentrating so much power in the hands of one man who isn’t Christ, and maybe put some checks and balances in the ecclesiastical hierarchy.

Instead they blame Luther.

What.


151 posted on 05/12/2018 6:56:38 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: bgill

Where is Pope Benedict?? How can we get him out of captivity??


152 posted on 05/12/2018 7:02:44 PM PDT by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)
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To: metmom
It sure seems that the Roman Catholic church does a good job at alienating those who do not toe the party line - EXACTLY.

It sure seems that the Roman Catholic church does a good job at ELECTING a fella that manages to STOMP on some very sensitive toes of those who want THEIR party line to be the CORRECT party line!

153 posted on 05/13/2018 4:36:28 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom

So, by those comments, the EO, the Greek Orthodox, the Russian Orthodox, the Ukrainian Catholic, all are not saved since they are not ROMAN Catholic or in subjection to it.

Sure seems that way!!

 

 

 

"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours."

--Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)

 

 

 

AFAIK; the above is STILL in force.


154 posted on 05/13/2018 4:40:09 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mom MD
You Roman’s really need to get off your high horse and turn some of that criticism inward.

Some things are DEEPLY rooted...


https://www3.nd.edu/~rwilliam/xsoc530/attitudes.html

155 posted on 05/13/2018 4:52:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mom MD
They leave because they understand that Mary is not divine and should not be an object of prayer worship or adoration.

HERETIC!!!

Why do you HATE Mary so???

Besides; 'tis better to be SAFE than SORRY!!!


 


 26. "Gens quæ non servierit illi, peribit; gentes destitutæ tantæ Matris auxilio, destituuntur auxilio Filii et totius curi’‘ coelestis."— De Laud. B. M. I. 4.

Cardinal Hugo http://fatima.org/crusader/cr38/cr38pg3.asp 

 

Translation:  "that those who do not serve Mary will not be saved; for those who are deprived of the help of this great Mother are also deprived of that of Her Son and of the whole court of heaven."


--Catholic_Wannabe_Dude(Hail Mary!!)

156 posted on 05/13/2018 4:56:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: RetiredArmy
He said if they did not repent of their sins, just like all of us, they were headed straight to hell, don’t stop at purgatory, cause it don’t exist.

HMMMmmm...

Catholic_Wannabe_Dude may have to change his(?) tagline to be more in line with ELSIE's...

157 posted on 05/13/2018 4:59:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums
Indeed, it IS the cults which do this.

Then this means that MORMONism; Jehovah Witness, ...

158 posted on 05/13/2018 5:04:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums
This means that...



 
"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"
- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)
There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"
-- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190
 
 
 
 
"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."
-- Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155
 
 
 
 
"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,"
-- Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670
 

 
 
"No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith. From the day that the Priesthood was taken from the earth to the winding-up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are—I with you and you with me. I cannot go there without his consent. He holds the keys of that kingdom for the last dispensation—the keys to rule in the spirit-world; and he rules there triumphantly, for he gained full power and a glorious victory over the power of Satan while he was yet in the flesh, and was a martyr to his religion."

Brigham Young, October 9, 1859
Intelligence, Etc.
Remarks by President BRIGHAM YOUNG, delivered in the Tabernacle, Great Salt Lake City, October 9, 1859.
Reported by G. D. Watt
Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p.282-91


They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.
He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.
He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.
As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.
Who has made this so?
Have I?
Have this people?
Have the world?
No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.
If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.
If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.
Can you pass without his inspection?
No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.
In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.
They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?
They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?
Brigham Young,    --JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8 p. 224

159 posted on 05/13/2018 5:07:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mom MD

Do you just make up fake news? YOUR COMMENT: “They had nothing to do with the sect founded by Constantine 300 years later. Whether you acknowledge it or not.” Your assertion does not agree with historical facts.

Very early in post-apostolic times, however. the Church did acquire a proper name—and precisely in order to distinguish herself from rival bodies which by then were already beginning to form. The name that the Church acquired when it became necessary for her to have a proper name was the name by which she has been known ever since-the Catholic Church.

Around the year A.D. 107, a bishop, St. Ignatius of Antioch in the Near East, was arrested, brought to Rome by armed guards and eventually martyred there in the arena. In a farewell letter which this early bishop and martyr wrote to his fellow Christians in Smyrna (today Izmir in modern Turkey), he made the first written mention in history of “the Catholic Church.” He wrote, “Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church” (To the Smyrnaeans 8:2). Thus, the second century of Christianity had scarcely begun when the name of the Catholic Church was already in use.

https://www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/churb3.htm

I do hope as an educated Mom, that you seek the full Truth from Jesus that is protected by the Holy Spirit in the Catholic Church.


160 posted on 05/13/2018 6:45:28 AM PDT by ADSUM
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