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To: boatbums

Who are we to say these gifts, positional and functional, were somehow only relegated to the 1st Century Jewish believers and converted Gentiles to Christ among them?

Nuts to that nonsense. The Lord requires us to be fully equipped by the purposing and unction of His Holy Spirit to face this evil day.

P.S. Corrected the above sentence and I think I answered your questions in the above thread.

Tongues IS NOT a sign of being born again or spirit filled, but the Bible makes it clear that some will have the gift and so evidence of it cannot be denied or wished away, either.

I knew someone who was born again, and told Christ she did not want to speak in tongues, and instead felt a “strong, hot wind” blow through her living room when she prayed this prayer.

The Lord is a gentleman who will never overpower our free will!


98 posted on 04/18/2018 1:31:00 PM PDT by Sontagged (Lord Jesus, please frogmarch Your enemies behind You as You've promised in Your Word)
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To: Sontagged; metmom
Tongues IS NOT a sign of being born again or spirit filled, but the Bible makes it clear that some will have the gift and so evidence of it cannot be denied or wished away, either.

Glad to hear that you disagree with those who insist everyone born again must speak in tongues. Do you agree that these so-called "miraculous sign gifts" can be counterfeited? How are believers to tell the difference? What is called speaking in tongues today - as far as the vast majority are concerned - are ecstatic, babbling utterances that are NOT in any language known to man. When the first instances of this gift were given, foreigners who did not speak the same language of the disciples HEARD the gospel in their own language (Acts 2:6-8). Does the same thing happen today?

No, I don't think the gifts were only relegated to the 1st Century Jewish believers and converted Gentiles to Christ among them, but why does it seem that the showy, attention grabbing ones are emphasized over those that actually edify ALL? I don't picture Paul - who said he spoke in tongues more than others - sitting alone in his room playing around with it like a toy. It had a purpose. With the completed Scriptures being translated into over a thousand languages today, of what use is tongues outside of being able to evangelize those whose language is not yet known? But, IS that what modern day tongues-speakers do - preach the gospel to those whose language they don't know? I don't see it. CAN it happen today? Sure...I'm not about to deny the power of God to accomplish His will in any way He deems. He is a God of miracles.

How about this...instead of condemning each other for nonsense or heresy, why don't we honestly discuss the points, bring forth our proof texts and, if necessary, agree to disagree? I think the enemy of our souls would be delighted to cause dissension over this and it probably IS one reason why there are counterfeits. We should judge our experiences by Scripture, not the other way around.

104 posted on 04/18/2018 2:34:32 PM PDT by boatbums (The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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