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Parish-Priest, “I Don’t Say the Creed Because I Do Not Believe in It”
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Posted on 01/11/2018 10:51:11 AM PST by ebb tide

Parish-Priest, “I Don’t Say the Creed Because I Do Not Believe in It”

During midnight-mass on Christmas 2017, Father Fredo Olivero, parish-priest of San Rocca in Turin, Italy, dropped the Creed, the blog of Marco Tosatti reports.

Olivero commented on his decision with the words, “You know why I don’t say the Creed? Because I do not believe in it.” He added, “After many years I have understood that this is a thing which I did not understand and which I could not accept.”

It is self-evident that Olivero’s statements will not have any consequences for him.

Picture: © Jeffrey Bruno, CC BY-SA, #newsXaviuknkaj


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: creed; francischurch; francispriest
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To: ebb tide

Needs be drawn and quartered, or find another job.


21 posted on 01/11/2018 11:59:11 AM PST by semaj (U\)
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To: kosciusko51; ebb tide

It was in the headline.


22 posted on 01/11/2018 12:10:24 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: neverevergiveup

In my opinion. We’re all in this together, and I personally think God is there for all of us.

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The problem with this type of thinking is that what we think has no effect on The Church. Prior to 325AD there were many creeds and confessions of faiths in the many churches that followed Christ. The concept of a universal church was not a reality before that. People who worshiped Christ were all called Christians, but, after 325 there was a definition of what a Christian was. For the next 50 years there was turmoil over this canonized statement of what a Christian was, either you were or you weren’t. As time went on there were less and less people who followed any Christianity other than the now Universal(Catholic) faith. After 375AD those who claimed to be Christian but would not recite the creed were heretics, often forfeiting their lives for their individual beliefs.

Until the reformation there was basically one church. We call it the reformation but it was really a rebellion of sorts. The protestants however kept the creed as a statement of belief and many still recite it in their worship.

I personally think that if the pope had ended the sale of indulgences and even met with Luther there would have been no reformation but we will certainly never know if that could be true or not.

My point in all this is, it really doesn’t make any difference as an individual what you think as long as it conforms to the creed. Once you profess faith in Jesus Christ you may think you have arrived, but once you are in The Church perhaps you have a difficult time reconciling the actions of The Church or perhaps even pieces of The Creed. None of those things makes you a bad person, but, it could make you a non-Catholic.


23 posted on 01/11/2018 12:20:23 PM PST by JAKraig (my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: JAKraig

God is a ‘dogma’ that is far beyond any dogma that man understands. I am Catholic, meaning universal, and thus bigger than Earthly interpretation.


24 posted on 01/11/2018 12:27:01 PM PST by neverevergiveup
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Placemarker


25 posted on 01/11/2018 12:28:51 PM PST by 2nd amendment mama (Self Defense is a Basic Human Right!)
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To: ebb tide

I am not a Catholic, yet I see no problem with the Nicene Creed. If this priest has a problem with the creed, he needs to leave. He might find a better home at one of the liberal SJW churches. Then again, he might repent. As a Christian, I consider that the latter is preferable, but that’s between him and the conviction of the Holy Spirit.


26 posted on 01/11/2018 12:39:29 PM PST by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: faucetman

Seems pretty straight forward; this priest needs to quit if he doesn’t believe even one word of it, let alone the entire thing.


27 posted on 01/11/2018 12:42:34 PM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: ebb tide

How does one know that it is a Catholic Caucus thread?

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28 posted on 01/11/2018 12:46:24 PM PST by Mears
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To: ebb tide

The link to the article doesn’t seem to work.


29 posted on 01/11/2018 1:03:15 PM PST by deks
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To: Mears; BenLurkin
How does one know that it is a Catholic Caucus thread?

See post #22.

30 posted on 01/11/2018 1:04:01 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide; BenLurkin

“If you don’t know which Creed is recited during Mass...”

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Roman Missal | Apostles’ Creed

Instead of the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed, especially during Lent and Easter Time, the baptismal Symbol of the Roman Church, known as the Apostles’ Creed, may be used.

https://sites.google.com/site/litcomwenty/resources/resources—sunday-eucharist/roman-missal/apostles-creed

(see texts below)
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PART ONE - THE PROFESSION OF FAITH

SECTION TWO - THE PROFESSION OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH

THE CREDO

The Apostles Creed

The Nicene Creed

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/credo.htm


31 posted on 01/11/2018 1:04:26 PM PST by deks
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To: deks

Christmas Mass occurs neither in Lent nor Easter Time.


32 posted on 01/11/2018 1:09:51 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

The phrase “especially during Lent and Easter Time” does not preclude or deny its use at other times.


33 posted on 01/11/2018 1:14:48 PM PST by deks
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To: deks

Your linked source does not support your claim about interhanging Creeds during the Mass.

Do you have another source?


34 posted on 01/11/2018 1:18:01 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
It is self-evident that Olivero’s statements will not have any consequences for him.

They'll have consequences when he has to answer for them to Jesus, alright.

35 posted on 01/11/2018 1:19:40 PM PST by Fedora
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To: ebb tide

This isn’t a Catholic caucus thread.


36 posted on 01/11/2018 1:21:27 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

See post #22.


37 posted on 01/11/2018 1:23:03 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

First, how about a working link to the article posted at the top?


38 posted on 01/11/2018 1:23:19 PM PST by deks
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To: kaehurowing

Christian or Catholic?


39 posted on 01/11/2018 1:27:06 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: deks
https://gloria.tv/article/wuku4Y3MUxxE18gTjWWCoRjEY

Now how about you? Post the source that says creeds are interchangeable during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

40 posted on 01/11/2018 1:30:25 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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