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Crisis Magazine ^ | November 28, 2017 | Julia Meloni

Posted on 11/28/2017 12:09:34 PM PST by ebb tide

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To: vladimir998

IIRC the altars in the OT were usually made of stones, that were not cut at all. In the NT, whosoever falls on THE stone will be broken. So wherever someone falls on the Stone that the builders rejected, are falling on an altar, so to speak.

But bowing one’s head or body, kneeling, or even speaking towards images, which neither see, hear, nor speak, made by the hands of men or women,...... now that’s the real deal there!


81 posted on 11/28/2017 5:31:50 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: Zuriel

“Wikeepeedeeah is the final authority. Lol”

In other words, you can’t refute it either.


82 posted on 11/28/2017 5:33:07 PM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: ealgeone

“You made the statement...you back it up.”

I already know it’s true, so I don’t need to prove it to myself and I already know no amount of proof will matter to you. On a number of occasions I have posted absolute, irrefutable, documented evidence of things and you simply keep posting the same falsehoods anyway. Apparently, evidence doesn’t matter to you.

“Vlad’s Rules of Internet debate are in play.”

Again, no amount of evidence will matter.


83 posted on 11/28/2017 5:35:47 PM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998
(“no mass in Scripture as practiced today”)
There was no Bible either as we have today.

There was no book with gilded pages but the written scriptures were there...All over the place...And they included every thing a person needs to come to Jesus and get saved...

(“no rosary in Scripture”)
Most of the prayer’s words are there.

Most of the words of 'Mein Kampf' as well the 'Hobbits' can be found in the scriptures as well...So what's your point???

There is no “Sinner’s Prayer” or Altar Call, however.

Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Luk_18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

There's the altar call and there's the sinner's prayer...

And no Sola scriptura or Sola fide (except when rejected by St. James as an error).

Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

And that life is called salvation...

1Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

We know that we have eternal life from reading and believing the scriptures, ALONE...That's God's message to us...

Act 13:26 Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.

The word of this salvation is the scriptures...

Act_13:49 And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region.

The bible was everywhere...

Act 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
1Jn 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

Philip preached to the Eunuch using the book of Isaiah...SCRIPTURE ALONE...And the Eunuch became saved...No rosary, no eucharist...

Sola Scripture is all over the scriptures...You don't need to find the word 'alone' to know this...

(“no prayers to departed saints in Scripture”)
How many departed saints were there by A.D. 90? Not that many.

All the apostles save one...And no one prayed to them...By 50 A.D. there were thousands upon thousands of Christians and by 90 A.D. you can bet there were more thousands upon thousands saints who were departed souls...And not a single case of anyone praying to one of them...

There were also no Protestants, no Protestant doctrines/heresies

All the bible doctrines are Protestant doctrines...Back then the Christians were protesting the Pharisees which are the forerunners of the Catholic religion...

and no stupid anti-Catholics posting on the non-existent internet either.

For two reasons...There was no internet and there are no stupid anti-Catholics...

You're batting zero so far...Keep trying...

84 posted on 11/28/2017 5:36:56 PM PST by Iscool
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To: ebb tide

“I’m sorry to see that the Truth hurts you so.”

The Truth?

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”

John 17:17
Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.

This has nothing to do with my being offended by the truth, but rather it is my desire to point people toward the truth that compels my response.

For an article that relies on neither the Word of God nor the person of Jesus, I find your claim to be disingenuous.

The Truth is the person of Jesus Christ as revealed by the Word of God, the Bible.

It should trouble everyone here, including you, that you have a problem with my response which is to point people to the Bible and the person of Jesus, who is the entire focus of the Word of God.

Your article does not do that. The stumbling at the truth seems to be a problem you are projecting onto me.


85 posted on 11/28/2017 5:37:50 PM PST by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: ebb tide

“I’m sorry to see that the Truth hurts you so.”

The Truth?

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”

John 17:17
Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.

This has nothing to do with my being offended by the truth, but rather it is my desire to point people toward the truth that compels my response.

For an article that relies on neither the Word of God nor the person of Jesus, I find your claim to be disingenuous.

The Truth is the person of Jesus Christ as revealed by the Word of God, the Bible.

It should trouble everyone here, including you, that you have a problem with my response which is to point people to the Bible and the person of Jesus, who is the entire focus of the Word of God.

Your article does not do that. The stumbling at the truth seems to be a problem you are projecting onto me.


86 posted on 11/28/2017 5:37:50 PM PST by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: unlearner

2 Thumbs up...


87 posted on 11/28/2017 5:43:53 PM PST by Iscool
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To: vladimir998
I already know it’s true,....

Vlad's Rules of Debate #2....

88 posted on 11/28/2017 5:45:11 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: vladimir998
And on that I agree with you - although we’ll disagree on what it means to be a disciple of Christ. I’ll agree with scripture and the Church. You agree with Altar Calls.

I've posted what it means to be a disciple of Christ...if we love Him, we will keep His commandments.

It's not that complicated.

89 posted on 11/28/2017 5:47:14 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: Zuriel

In other words, you STILL can’t refute what I posted.

I know.


90 posted on 11/28/2017 5:48:10 PM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998
No. You have yet to post even a single verse that proves the recent Evangelical invention of “Altar Calls” are anything other than a recent Evangelical invention. Wikipedia simply supports the obvious truth that “Altar Calls” are a recent Evangelical invention.

Vlad's Rules of Internet Debate #3...it means what he wants it to mean.

91 posted on 11/28/2017 5:48:58 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: vladimir998
Only grace saves.

8For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

Ephesians 2:8-10 NASB

God's grace enables us to come to Him through faith...not works.

We have nothing to boast about.

It is through faith alone that we come to Him.

92 posted on 11/28/2017 5:50:57 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: vladimir998
“Roman Catholicism” is a Protestant traditional term.

Are you going back to that thread??

93 posted on 11/28/2017 5:51:46 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: vladimir998

Don’t have to point out anything but your hypocrisy.

(Have you kissed your images lately?)


94 posted on 11/28/2017 5:52:50 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: ebb tide

Keep it up; ET.

Perhaps you’ll have fun with THIS thread you’ve started.


95 posted on 11/28/2017 5:52:55 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
"[25] But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written." [John 21:25]

We don't know what they were; so we can just think up any thing and claim it to be true.


96 posted on 11/28/2017 5:54:20 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom

“Don’t be lazy.”

I wasn’t - that’s how I had the information in the first place. The lazy person is the one who refuses to do any research - and that’s always you, hon.

“If you make a claim, back it up yourself and don’t expect everyone to take what you say simply on your say so or do your work for you, chasing down stuff they don’t even believe.”

I made the claim. And it is true. Whether or not you believe it hardly matters now does it?

“If you refuse to provide sources, everyone has every reason to dismiss what you say as nonsense and nothing more than your opinion.”

Actually, even if I post documentation the anti-Catholics will still keep saying false things as we have all seen here dozens of times. Heck, I’ve caught multiple anti-Catholics at FR outright lying - and no I don’t mean posting things I merely disagree with - and posted the FACTS that showed they were lying and they kept on lying until it was simply impossible to do otherwise. Don’t believe me? Just look at my profile page. Follow the posted link. IRREFUTABLE.


97 posted on 11/28/2017 5:55:48 PM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: metmom
The stuff he wrote down was all that is needed to come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ.

But only if it is spoon fed to the unwise ones.


"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours."

--Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)

 

98 posted on 11/28/2017 5:55:57 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: vladimir998
I know about the number of Christians - about 1 million by A.D. 90 according to historians. That means the number of saints in Heaven when most or all of the New Testament books were written would be small and little known or reckoned on earth because of distances apart on earth, communications, persecutions and secrecy and so on.

All Christians who have died ARE saints in heaven...

99 posted on 11/28/2017 5:56:44 PM PST by Iscool
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To: ealgeone

“It’s not that complicated.”

No one here said it was complicated. It just isn’t Protestant. There’s a difference.


100 posted on 11/28/2017 5:57:51 PM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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