Posted on 11/20/2017 4:45:50 PM PST by ebb tide
Anen!
>>>The first objection one gets initially when approaching this subject is a mistaken notion that goes like this: But Jesus gave the Apostles Communion in the hand; therefore we are doing what Christ did at the last supper. There are two major things wrong with that statement. First of all, this is an assumption. And even if Jesus did indeed give Communion in the hand to the Apostles, we have to keep in mind that the Apostles were priests and Bishops, possessing consecrated hands.<<<
First objection doesn’t really apply since the Last Supper wasn’t the consecrated Eucharist. Jesus hadn’t died, risen, and ascended yet to affect the Last Supper into the Eucharist.
I cannot say how many times I’ve seen Catholics get this wrong.
That objection is based on faulty theology about the Eucharist. The Last Supper was instructions on future practice to memorialize an event about to take place. So even if the disciples “received in the hand” they had no idea “at the time,” that Jesus was to shortly make the practice a real presence. The Gospel accounts would have recalled the event as an important teaching for current worship practice. “Instituted by Christ at Calvary.”
Well, at least the church is caring about “authority structure” issues.
I’ve seen this way underrated as an issue in evangelical followings. It matters! A church whose pastor quit, especially, can be a powder keg of trouble.
That said, wouldn’t the pope (even Francis) giving the okay to something like this, end the problem? The problem here seems to be things in the authority structure that have long walked off the scene.
Oops!
Amen!
For whatever it’s worth, I’ve never seen, say, Lutherans have this issue, even with the “host with Jesus literally present in it.”
It looks like a “tradition of people” problem here. And there are wrangles about who gets the last word.
Why can’t it be the pope, in this case? Or maybe can a pope be so “bad” that he can’t do it... in which case why not fire him?
Also for everyone.
Read
“Get Us Out of Here!” by Maria Simma.
You won’t receive Communion in the hand after you read it — that’s for sure!
A teaching not required by God
The same real presence of the Jesus who rebuked the Pharisees for criticizing His disciples for eating with “unwashen hands.”
Well, I truly am one of those crazy evangelicals, or maybe I just have an allergy to Catholic intrigue so couldn’t approach the Catholic church, even if I *wanted* to, having to navigate stuff like this and take it seriously.
Pure protestant bs.
I know, I know... being one of the “loyal denominational opposition” here. I.e. a crazy evangelical, or blankety-blank Protestant (I actually ascended from crazy evangelicaldom to blankety-blank Protestantism this past weekend, when the Baptists just weren’t getting it any more, and the Presbyterians [PCA] were).
Roman Catholic — wonderful idea in principle, terrible execution in practice.
Unless you’re the “protestant” — protesting against the scriptures.
Thank-you for the link.
Excellent.
A thorough reading of the text of St. John’s Gospel states (13:26-30): “Jesus answered, ‘It is he to whom I shall give this Morsel when I have dipped It.’ So when He had dipped the Morsel, He gave It to Judas… So, after receiving the Morsel, he [Judas] immediately went out…” Would Jesus have placed a wet Morsel into Judas’ hand? That would not only be unlikely, but very messy. Wouldn’t He had expressed the gesture of hospitality to the person of Judas, whom He called friend later that evening in the garden, most especially during the institution of the Eucharist at the Last Supper with Holy Communion, “giving Himself by His own Hand”?
But what this stuff might ever do for getting some poor spiritual schmoe like me to join the Roman Catholic church, is sure a mystery to me.
From what I see you got 99% intrigue, 1% Christianity. No wonder Luther, bless his heart at least for trying, ended up walking off.
I am thankful I have never received in the hand.
Well except I’ve watched it done — even done it myself! — at a Jewish Passover seder, which is what this is a form of (it isn’t super slop, just moist).
This has “pin headed reasoning of man” written all over it, sir.
And some people choose to believe.
Sorry that you aren’t one that does so.
"Memorialize"? Really?
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