“Whatever You Can Do to Stop Communion in the Hand Will be Blessed by God” ~ Fr. John Hardon S.J.

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[RitaOK]

“... the Eucharist was celebrated with extreme reverence to it. “ >>

Practicing devout Catholics err to ever refer to the Real Presence as an... “it”. It reveals a check in the mind set that suggests certainly carelessness, even doubt.

The Eucharist is the Real Presence and the very center hold to the faith. There is no question how such a Presence of He who IS shall be treated, in all manner and custom when He is offered and when He is consumed.

[RitaOK]

“We come to Christ through faith in Him and Him alone.” >>

You do?

Even Satan believed.

So, you have no need to be baptized, either, I hear you saying.

Are there any obediences you adhere to? I know you will get twisted on “works”, so can’t dare go there. Humm. What else you got? Anything but the unknown measure of your faith, there?

[Arthur McGowan]

John Hardon should be forgotten. He’s an embarrassment. Excused and covered up for Donald McGuire.

[Arthur McGowan]

St. Thomas Aquinas said:

At the Last Supper, Jesus was physically, visibly present in his body, and the same body and blood were present in the Sacred Species.

After Jesus died, if an apostle had “celebrated Mass,” the dead body of Jesus would have been present in the “bread,” and his dead blood would have been present in the chalice. (Separate because all his blood was shed during his passion and crucifixion.)

After the Resurrection, the risen Christ is present in the Sacred Species, now immortal and glorified, as he is in heaven.

The Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist is not a reenactment of the moment of the Last Supper. It is the presence of Christ as he exists now, glorified in heaven.

[trebb]

Ironic that a good part of old traditions/laws were based on hygiene but it’s next to blasphemy to distribute reminders of His sacrifice in a hygienic manner.

[Biggirl]

Wow, this thread has become a flame thread.

[Bigg Red]

Again, these are our beliefs. I promise not to ridicule your beliefs, and I would appreciate the same courtesy from you.

[ShadowAce]

The Lord grieves over folderol like this.

Agreed.

Romans 14:14 -- "I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean."

Take communion how you see fit. Just do it in remembrance of He who sacrificed Himself for us.

[Bayard]

>>>Practicing devout Catholics err to ever refer to the Real Presence as an... “it”.<<<

This is just petty nonsense. It is a direct object reference to the physical host which is the paschal mystery represented.

Beware the leven of pharisee

I guess Saint Paul wasn't devout when he said in 1 Cor 11:26.

"In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.”

[ealgeone]

You raise the issue of belief and works. Which comes first? Is it

Works you do leading to faith and salvation or

Faith which leads to salvation which will produce fruit for the Kingdom in accordance with the command of Christ to bear fruit for the Kimgdom?

[ealgeone]

A Roman Catholic priest disagrees with you. O’Brien says Christ is summoned down from heaven by the priest and rendered present on the altar to be sacrificed again and again and again.

[ealgeone]

Too bad the RCC didn’t include Aquinas’ writings in the canon at Trent when they had the chance.

[ShadowAce]

That RC priest is anti-Scriptural, so I wouldn’t trust anything else he says.

[ealgeone]

You’re a 9-1-1 TRUTHER based on the youtube link and your homepage! No wonder you won’t admit to be a Roman Catholic priest.

[daniel1212]

Are you serious? Where in Acts or 1 Corinthians - the only books within the inspired record what the NT church did and how they understood the gospels where the Lord's supper may be said to be described besides (Jude's mere mention of the "feat of charity") is it even inferred that what was consumed was a wafer of bread placed on the tongue by a Catholic priest (which as shown , were not NT presbuteros)?

As for the rest of your prolix posting of propaganda, so save typing: The Lord's Supper: metaphorical commemoration or the consumption of the metaphysical "real" body and blood of the Lord Jesus?

(Note: allow scripts for pop up Bible verses

Table of Contents

Introduction

1. Catholic teaching on the Eucharist

2. Metaphorical versus literal language

3. Supper accounts and John 6: Conformity to Scripture, and consequences of the literalistic interpretation.

4. 1Cor. 10,11

5. The Lord's Supper in the record and descriptions of the New Testament church

6. Purely literal versus the contrived Catholic interpretation

7. The nature of the Catholic metaphysical explanation

8. The Lord's Supper is not a sacrifice for sins

9. Absence of the sacerdotal Eucharistic priesthood

10. Metaphorical view of Jn. 6 is not new.

11. Endocannibalism

12. Conclusion

[metmom]

The new reformationists hard at work bringing the church back to its roots.

[metmom]

Any response yet?

Or should we simply chalk it up to yet another unanswered question?

[ealgeone]

Any response yet? Or should we simply chalk it up to yet another unanswered question?

Chalk it up to yet another unanswered question....though we can take off the table the one regarding if the College that selects the pope is selected by the Holy Spirit....ebb's answer was no.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“It is the presence of Christ as he exists now, glorified in heaven.“

The glorified Christ needs no fake monstrance to show His glory.

The wafer is not the actual glorified Christ.

[LanaTurnerOverdrive]

Bow down before another mortal sinner, refer to him as “father” and let him feed me? I don’t think so.