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St. Paul Was Not Ashamed of the Gospel — Are We?
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 10-16-17 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 10/17/2017 8:10:47 AM PDT by Salvation

St. Paul Was Not Ashamed of the Gospel — Are We?

October 16, 2017

Basilica of St. Paul Outside the Walls, Rome

St. Paul writes this in today’s reading from the Letter to the Romans: “I am not ashamed of the gospel. It is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes” (Rom 1:16).

“Gospel” here refers to the whole of the New Testament rather than merely the four Gospels. The gospel is the apostolic exhortation, the proclamation of the apostles of what Jesus taught and said and did for our salvation. This proclamation was recorded and collected in the letters of the apostles Paul, Peter, James, John, and Jude, and in what later came to be called the four Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. The gospel is the transformative word of the Lord proclaimed by the apostles in obedience to the command of the Lord,

Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age (Matt 28:19-20).

Of these apostles (“sent ones”) Jesus says this:

Very truly I tell you, whoever receives the one I send receives me; and whoever receives me receives the one who sent me (Jn 13:20).

So the gospel is the authoritative and transformative proclamation of the Lord’s word through the apostles in totality. Of this full and received message St. Paul says he is not ashamed, though he has suffered for preaching it; others have suffered and even been killed for it!

Can we say the same? Are we unashamed of the gospel? Sadly, too many people are to some extent ashamed of the gospel. Even among practicing Catholics and clergy, there are too many who promote a compromised, watered-down message rather than boldly, joyfully, and confidently proclaiming the full gospel.

St. Paul says that he is not ashamed of the gospel. What about us? Are we confident and uncompromising in proclaiming the gospel or are we ashamed and fearful? Do we compromise the gospel in order to avoid the scorn of an unbelieving, sin-sick world? Do we stand up without shame and proclaim the truth with love and confidence?

Are we ashamed of the gospel or are we joyful and confident?

This song says, “You should be a witness! Stand up and be a witness for the Lord!”


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
In modern-day Roman Catholicism, Mary is the highest of these demigods.

It seems to me that is a particularly pernicious and false statement. Catholics do not believe Mary is a deity. It was you who posted that she is and attributed it to Catholics.

Which denomination's, sect's, or faith community's views are you presenting (Protestant, Evangelical, Fundamentalist, Other) ?
161 posted on 10/19/2017 6:11:59 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: ealgeone
Jesus teaches them this prayer, which you suggest is possibly one of two they prayed, and Jesus prays to the Father in the Garden something different??

I don't think so. Jesus isn't one to say do something and He do something else.


Do you mean that you think all the disciples prayed the same prayer about letting the cup (crucifixion for atonement) pass as the Messiah prayed ?
162 posted on 10/19/2017 6:18:23 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981

“Catholics do not believe Mary is a deity. It was you who posted that she is and attributed it to Catholics.“

In practice, Catholic teaching makes dear Mary into a demigoddess- no sin, god powers, higher than ordinary people, spouse of God, etc.

None true.


163 posted on 10/19/2017 6:20:54 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: ealgeone
Serious question: Do you ever just talk to God in your own words?

Yes. Is there a commandment somewhere to do that ?

I do notice that Sola Scriptura has been abandoned in this discussion. That does not surprise me.
164 posted on 10/19/2017 6:21:35 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981
Do you mean that you think all the disciples prayed the same prayer about letting the cup (crucifixion for atonement) pass as the Messiah prayed ?

Nope.

I'm addressing your suggestion there were only two prayers the disciples prayed.

I've illustrated by example that prayer is more than just rote repetition.

I'll ask again....do you ever just talk to God using your own words?

165 posted on 10/19/2017 6:21:52 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: af_vet_1981

“Which denomination’s, sect’s, or faith community’s views are you presenting (Protestant, Evangelical, Fundamentalist, Other) ?

My home page identifies my church.


166 posted on 10/19/2017 6:21:58 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: af_vet_1981
Yes. Is there a commandment somewhere to do that ?

I do notice that Sola Scriptura has been abandoned in this discussion. That does not surprise me.

Hardly. It's perfectly in line with Biblical teaching on prayer.

6Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. Phil 4:6 NASB

Concerning this I implored the Lord three times that it might leave me. 2 Corinthians 12:8 NASB

Note the emphasis on praying to God and or the Lord. Paul did not appeal to Abraham or any of the OT saints.

167 posted on 10/19/2017 6:25:32 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone; PeterPrinciple

AAUGH!!

That was a typo! What I meant to write was

"The Scriptures are from God."

Surely we all know that.

They come to us through a chain of custody and transmission, just as does everything that was handed down to us.

Otherwise, they would not be here for us today, since none --- not one --- of the original autograph manuscripts is now in existence, as far as we know.

What we have is what came to us through a chain of human beings who, obedient to God and reverent towards His revelation, copied, replicated, annotated, published, translated, laid down their lives to propagate and to defend.

This "handing down" is, literally, Tradition.

And one of the precious things handed down to us from this chain of transmission, this God-pleasing succession of faithful human beings, is Scripture.

And just as the Chosen People existed for a long, long time (how many generations from Abraham to Moses?) before there was a written Torah, the Church existed a long time (many generations) before there was a complete canon of Scripture.

Did you ever consider the fact that Paul urged his local churches to be faithful to the Gospel many times --- surely hundreds of times ---- before one written Gospel even existed?

His converts didn't become Christians because they had read a text and believed some written testimony. They believed because the Gospel --- the Good News of salvation in Christ --- was conveyed he them by preaching (Oral Tradition)---- faith comes from hearing and by the conduct and example of Paul and his many fellow workers.

This was inspired, and authoritative too. Not just the relatively few selections that were written down.

168 posted on 10/19/2017 6:25:35 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Stand fast and hold the traditions ye have been taught, whether by word or our epistle. 2 Thess 2:15)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

The cults that go door to door make the same claim. I’ve never known a Baptist that would mask his affiliation.


169 posted on 10/19/2017 6:29:22 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981

“The cults that go door to door make the same claim

If that is your reason to ignore the truth of Scripture, your choice. I value and love God and His inspired Word.

“I’ve never known a Baptist that would mask his affiliation.”

Since I didn’t say I was a baptist, it seems an odd statement.


170 posted on 10/19/2017 6:36:42 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Mrs. Don-o
That was a typo! What I meant to write was

"The Scriptures are from God."

Surely we all know that.

I'm glad to hear you clear that up....though we've been told numerous times the Roman Catholic church "gave" us Scripture.

This "handing down" is, literally, Tradition.

No it's not. "Tradition" comprises Roman Catholic beliefs not found in the NT.

It would be better to call this transmission.

And just as the Chosen People existed for a long, long time (how many generations from Abraham to Moses?) before there was a written Torah, the Church existed a long time (many generations) before there was a complete canon of Scripture.

And God would visit them. I'd rather have the visit than the word....I think!

Did you ever consider the fact that Paul urged his local churches to be faithful to the Gospel many times --- surely hundreds of times ---- before one written Gospel even existed?

You forget they had the OT. One can understand Christ in the OT.

His converts didn't become Christians because they had read a text and believed some written testimony. They believed because the Gospel --- the Good News of salvation in Christ --- was conveyed he them by preaching (Oral Tradition)----

I agree there was preaching of the Gospel.

However, what Paul didn't tell them was the Immaculate Conception, the Assumption, purgatory, indulgences, etc.

...faith comes from hearing and by the conduct and example of Paul and his many fellow workers.

To be correct....16However, they did not all heed the good news; for Isaiah says, “LORD, WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT?” 17So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ. Romans 10:16-17 NASB

Note: Paul referred back to the written word in this passage.

In fact, he cites the written word many times in Romans and his other writings. The appeal to the text is always there.

171 posted on 10/19/2017 6:38:43 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
... it seems an odd statement.

Seems logical to me; I've found Baptists transparent about their affiliation. Even if they disagree with Catholics on doctrine I respect Baptists for that transparency.
172 posted on 10/19/2017 6:42:10 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: ealgeone
I'm addressing your suggestion there were only two prayers the disciples prayed.

I did not suggest there were only two prayers the disciples prayed. You asked if I thought when the disciples prayed this is the only prayer they offered and I suggested another. This in no way was a suggestion there were only two prayers the disciples prayed.

I've illustrated by example that prayer is more than just rote repetition.

Prayer is faith and obedience working together.

I'll ask again....do you ever just talk to God using your own words

I compose my own prayers with faith, reverence, and sincerity. Whether they are really my own words, ...

Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Romans, Catholic chapter eight, Protestant verses twenty sic to twenty seven,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

173 posted on 10/19/2017 6:58:37 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981
I did not suggest there were only two prayers the disciples prayed. You asked if I thought when the disciples prayed this is the only prayer they offered and I suggested another. This in no way was a suggestion there were only two prayers the disciples prayed.

Sure sounded that way.

>>Do you honestly think when the disciples prayed this is the only prayer they offered????<<

I think they did precisely what the Messiah taught them to do. Giving up Sola Scriptura, going by tradition or speculation, one can reason that they also recited the Shema prayer for example, and not just the first verse of which the Messiah quoted in the Gospels as the Greatest/First commandment.

However, the only prayer that I know the Messiah taught them was the Our Father.

174 posted on 10/20/2017 4:57:32 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
"I think they did precisely what the Messiah taught them to do."

This means they said the Our Father because the Messiah taught them to do so.

"Giving up Sola Scriptura, going by tradition or speculation, one can reason that they also recited the Shema prayer for example, and not just the first verse of which the Messiah quoted in the Gospels as the Greatest/First commandment."

This means if we turn from scriptural evidence and to our own speculation, I speculate they also said traditional Jewish prayers that the Messiah would have approved of, in this case, portions of scripture. They may also have said the Kaddish, if it was in use at that time. They may also have said the Priestly Blessing if The Priestly blessing has been used by the Catholic Church since the first centuries.

We know they asked the Messiah to teach them to pray and that He taught them the Our Father. None of this indicates they only said the Our Father.

Returning to the scriptures, there are other prayers some or all of them prayed specifically, and there are references to observing the Jewish hours of prayer (Third Hour/9am, Sixth Hour/Noon, Ninth Hour/3pm) and other liturgical prayers.

And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

...

Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour

...

And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is: Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things? The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ. For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done. And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word, By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.

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On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:

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And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.

...

And it came to pass, that, when I was come again to Jerusalem, even while I prayed in the temple, I was in a trance;


Acts, Catholic chapter one, Protestant verses twenty four to twenty five,
Acts, Catholic chapter three, Protestant verse one,
Acts, Catholic chapter four, Protestant verses twenty four to thirty,
Acts, Catholic chapter ten, Protestant verse nine,
Acts, Catholic chapter sixteen, Protestant verses thirteen,
Acts, Catholic chapter twenty two, Protestant verses seventeen,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

175 posted on 10/20/2017 6:17:10 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981
We know they asked the Messiah to teach them to pray and that He taught them the Our Father. None of this indicates they only said the Our Father.

I'm glad you made that clear. I was beginning to wonder with the rote form of worship in Roman Catholicism if ya'll only said the Lord's Prayer/Our Father, Hail Mary and Rosary and would believe the disciples only said one or two prayers.

176 posted on 10/20/2017 6:26:34 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

I see Catholic tradition as closer to Jewish tradition, in that both have liturgical prayers and personal prayers. A close reading of the New Testament convinces me that the apostles were familiar with, and participated in, Jewish liturgical prayers as well as personal prayers related to specific events.


177 posted on 10/20/2017 6:35:27 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981
A close reading of the New Testament convinces me that the apostles were familiar with, and participated in, Jewish liturgical prayers as well as personal prayers related to specific events.

I would agree with that.

178 posted on 10/20/2017 6:42:23 PM PDT by ealgeone
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