Posted on 09/10/2017 5:17:29 AM PDT by delayah
Sin takes place after someone purposes to go against the commandments in their mind.
The process of sin begins in our head (mind, heart, spirit).......
James 1:14 - But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. James 1:15 - Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.
May I offer some information about the Holy Spirit?
Yahshua did not tell Nicodemus that he had to physically die to enter the kingdom. Although this is true, it's not the intended message or take away here.
Yahshua was saying that in order to know the will of the Father one had to discern the spirits, particularly paying attention to the Fathers Spirit. Hearing the sound of the wind and not knowing which direction it's coming from is an example to know what it's like "perceiving" the Holy Spirit.
And though the Lord give you the bread of adversity, and the water of affliction, yet shall not thy teachers be removed into a corner any more, but thine eyes shall see thy teachers: And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left. (Isa 30:20-21)
The process of sin is something you should consider to better understand the above.
Sin takes place after someone purposes to go against the commandments in their mind.
The process of sin begins in our head (mind, heart, spirit).......
James 1:14 - But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. James 1:15 - Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.
From the time a certain temptation enters our mind(the wiles of the devil), It goes through a process in our mind, and the way in which we then react to it, can cause that thought or temptation to become a sin,
Prov 24:10 If thou faint in the day of adversity, thy strength is small.
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. (Mat 5:27-28)
....or a moment of "OVERCOMING"!
Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. (Eph 6:10-13)
Amen
Logismoi or Assaultive Thoughts
“The holy elders,” Father Maximos claimed, “identify five stages in the development of a logismos. Of course, I am speaking of a logismos that goes contrary to God’s laws. The first is the assault stage, when the logismos first attacks our mind.”
“Let me give you an example. A thought enters our mind in the form of a suggestion urging us, let us say, to steal. It is as if this logismos knocks at the door of our mind and tells us: ‘Look at this pile of money. Nobody is looking. Take it.’
“When such a logismos strikes, no matter how sinful it may be, it does not render us accountable,” Father Maximos explained. “The quality of our spiritual state is not evaluated on the basis of these assaults. In simple language we commit no sin. The holy elders throughout the ages were relentlessly tempted and assaulted by similar and even worse logismoi.
“The second stage according to the holy elders is what they called interaction. It implies opening up of a dialog, an actual exchange with the logismos. When a logismos urges you, for example, to steal that pile of money, you begin to wonder, ‘Should I or should I not? What’s going to happen if I steal it? What’s going to happen if I don’t steal it?’ This is risky and dangerous. However, even at this stage there is no accountability on the part of the individual, no sin committed as yet. The person can indeed examine such a logismos and consider several options without being accountable. But if the person is weak by temperament, then defeat may be the most likely outcome of that exposure to the logismos.”
The third stage in the progression of a logismos is the stage of consent as we would say. You consent to commit what the logismos urges you to do, in this particular case, to steal money. You have made a decision. That’s when guilt and accountability start to emerge. It is the beginning of sin. Jesus was referring to this stage when he proclaimed that if you covet a woman in your mind you have already committed adultery in your heart. The moment this decision is allowed to take root in your heart, then you are well on the way to actually committing the act in the outer world.”
“In the event that a person is unable to free himself from the previous stage, then there is defeat. He becomes hostage to the logismos. The moment the person succumbs, the next time around the logismos returns with greater force. It is much more difficult to resist then. And so it is with the next time and the time after that. The holy elders called it the stage of captivity. That’s when the person can no longer retreat and proceeds along with this act which now becomes a habit that is repeated time and again.”
“Finally, the holy elders identify the end stage in the evolution of a logismos as that of a passion or obsession. The logismos has become an entrenched reality within the consciousness of the person, within the nous. The person becomes a captive of obsessive logismoi, leading to ongoing destructive acts to oneself and to others, such as in the case of a compulsive gambler. The holy elders have warned us that when we become dominated by such passions it is like giving the key or our heart to Satan so that he can get in and out any time he wishes. We see a lot of our brothers and sisters struggling desperately to overcome their obsessive passions and addictions but without much success. They are fully aware that what they do is self-destructive. They are capable of reasoning with clarity of mind, but their heart is captive. They cannot eject from themselves that negative energy that possesses and controls them.”
“So what can be done about these people? Are they beyond hope of freeing themselves from their destructive passions?” I asked.
“Through the Grace of the Holy Spirit everything is possible, including their healing,” Father Maximos replied.
http://orthodoxcounselor.com/Articles/logismoi.htm
Interesting ideas, and although I might not disagree with their findings, I am leary of anyone that asks people to call them “Father” since the Messiah clearly said to not do exactly that. if they don’t repent from that, why follow them?
Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do.
It was a revelation for me to learn that I am not my thoughts. That evil thoughts attack the soul, like demons. That I can simply bat them away as a nuisance.
That’s really all I wanted to add to your post. I’m a simple person and can’t really debate theology with you. I hope I did not offend you or mar your post.
This is an interesting verse. It was just talked about by Michael Rood (I don’t agree w/ everything he teaches but he is sincere and has a lot of truth and a great way of teaching so people grasp it) and Nehemiah Gordon(the Kaarite Jew who doesn’t follow the traditions of the rabinate that believers are praying for to know Yahshua) who is an authority on hebrew texts, point out that the “notion that Messiah followed the Rabbi’s and taught others to follow their every word” is preposterous as Messiah went out of His way to disrespect their traditions and philosophies of men.
That being said, it would be good to check out what they have to say on this issue.
https://youtu.be/CLIlf8ZgWaU?t=929
It begins at about 15:26 or so.
There are a few issues in the translation of some verses in the back of the book. Easily discerned and understood correctly if we apply the rest of the book.
Your reading of the usage of the term ‘father’ is too tight.
Mat 23:9 is referring to ‘leader’, one who directs your life.
In Churches, the term ‘Father’ is used to designate the leader of your local parish or church, and this ‘father’is a standing up for Christ and Christian law.
The term ‘Rabbi’ connotes similarly a Jewish leader who represents an authority in Jewish law. In Jewish families, the ‘Father’ of the family was the head of the family even if that person was a grandfather or uncle. It is also interesting to note that first cousins were referred to as sisters and brothers.
When applying the term ‘Father’ to local Christian groups, it is in the same vein as calling out the Rabbi of a local Jewish group.
The scripture in Matthew refers to the context of Heaven and Earth. If I call my priest ‘Father John’, it is in the spiritual sense of Heaven. If I am viewing him in an earthly context, I will call him ‘John’. I have one Father who is in Heaven. ‘Father John’ stands between my heavenly Father and me. So I refer to John as Father John in that context.
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To understand why the charge does not work, one must first understand the use of the word “father” in reference to our earthly fathers. No one would deny a little girl the opportunity to tell someone that she loves her father. Common sense tells us that Jesus wasn’t forbidding this type of use of the word “father.”
In fact, to forbid it would rob the address “Father” of its meaning when applied to God, for there would no longer be any earthly counterpart for the analogy of divine Fatherhood. The concept of God’s role as Father would be meaningless if we obliterated the concept of earthly fatherhood.
But in the Bible the concept of fatherhood is not restricted to just our earthly fathers and God. It is used to refer to people other than biological or legal fathers, and is used as a sign of respect to those with whom we have a special relationship.
For example, Joseph tells his brothers of a special fatherly relationship God had given him with the king of Egypt: “So it was not you who sent me here, but God; and he has made me a father to Pharaoh, and lord of all his house and ruler over all the land of Egypt” (Gen. 45:8).
Job indicates he played a fatherly role with the less fortunate: “I was a father to the poor, and I searched out the cause of him whom I did not know” (Job 29:16). And God himself declares that he will give a fatherly role to Eliakim, the steward of the house of David: “In that day I will call my servant Eliakim, the son of Hilkiah . . . and I will clothe him with [a] robe, and will bind [a] girdle on him, and will commit . . . authority to his hand; and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and to the house of Judah” (Is. 22:20–21).
This type of fatherhood not only applies to those who are wise counselors (like Joseph) or benefactors (like Job) or both (like Eliakim), it also applies to those who have a fatherly spiritual relationship with one. For example, Elisha cries, “My father, my father!” to Elijah as the latter is carried up to heaven in a whirlwind (2 Kgs. 2:12). Later, Elisha himself is called a father by the king of Israel (2 Kgs. 6:21).
Thank you.
Dear Hostage,
In this, you are relying upon the will of men and not the will of the Father.
Trusting in the WORD is what the relationship with the Father is all about.
You cannot serve the traditions of man and the Creator. You have to make the choice to follow Him only. Then the WORD makes sense everywhere you read.
Yahshua (The Most High, YHWH) said: Call no man father. I believe it and will maintain faith that the WORD is true and those who keep it, guard it or perform it will be blessed and considered in the flock of Y’srael.
Amen
Dear Hostage,
In short, it’s talking about titles. Don’t be called Rabbi (Master, Teacher) - don’t call any man by the title father.
My father died when I was 15. My father is not looking down on me but in the grave.
I had a priest when I was an alter boy and his name was Kalinoski. But we were forced (against the WORD) to call him father.
It’s either the way the Messiah taught or not.
As He says, I would that you were hot or cold, but since you are lukewarm I will spit you out.
We must get the fire burning inside to please the Most High and be blessed with His Holy Spirit to maintain the relationship.
He said: Keep my commandments and I will pray the Father and He will send you the Comforter.
Believing this means, you read in the Holy Scriptures what we must do to observe Sabbath.
Blessed are they that hear the WORD of God and perform it.
It’s painful to confront falsehoods in our life - extremely so when there are other friends involved who will not share this sentiment.
Ultimately, the Messiah said He came not to bring peace but a sword. To divide those who are seeking to enter the kingdom and those who are not.
Amen
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