Posted on 08/07/2017 10:33:57 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
A few years ago, I attended a conference where pastors were encouraged to meet at a pub after the general sessions. A few of these pastors could exercise their liberty, but why publicly? I wondered how many people at the conference stumbled because of it.
The demands of life often tempt us to seek gratification in alcohol and other things. We must be on high alert. The enemy uses "opportune times" to draw us away from God. (cf. Luke 4:13.) The line is so thin that it is often hard to determine when we cross over.
The person who consumes alcohol walks a very fine line between freedom and sin, responsibility and carelessness, liberty and abuse — over-indulgence can even disqualify a person from leadership (cf. 1 Timothy 3). This discussion is not about a glass of wine or beer now and then, it's about abusing liberty. Damage done to families and individuals through alcohol use demands a closer look.
Pastor John MacArthur states what many of us feel but seldom discuss, "It is puerile and irresponsible for any pastor to encourage the recreational use of intoxicants — especially in church-sponsored activities. The ravages of alcoholism and drug abuse in our culture are too well known, and no symbol of sin's bondage is more seductive or more oppressive than booze."
I couldn't agree more. The trend of young Christian leaders consuming alcohol on a regular basis is alarming. Many will look back and regret the damage that was done to lives, churches, and their own testimony.
Pastor Darrin Patrick, in his book Church Planter, writes, "I am shocked at the number of them [pastors] who are either addicted or headed toward addiction to alcohol."
David Wilkerson adds, "Alcohol is now the modern golden calf, and millions of people, young and old, male and female, have been seduced by it."
Many counseling appointments are because of alcohol and drug abuse. Add to that the amount of domestic violence cases and the number of abused children because of alcohol, and we would be remiss to ignore its dangers.
We often flaunt liberty and laugh in the face of God's grace by posting our favorite beer brands and wines on Facebook, all under the guise of "exercising liberty." While Romans 14 discusses personal freedoms, it also has strong warnings "not to do anything that will cause others to fall" (vs. 21).
Consider the following:
* Jesus was filled with the Spirit ... holiness flowed from every area of His life. This cannot be said of those who consume alcohol regularly. What is the fruit of today's preoccupation with alcohol? Conversations often turn away from God, if they were there to begin with. We begin to compromise our time and interests; we'd rather head to Vegas than a prayer meeting. Jesus said that "wisdom is justified by her children" (cf. Luke 7:35). Carnal Christians consume alcohol regularly. The harmful fruit that results from a lifestyle focused on alcohol is proof enough.
* The Bible never encourages crossing the line. A preoccupation with alcohol is just one indicator of alcoholism; a preoccupation with drinking at events or social gatherings is another. Some even bring out their private collection of hard liquor after having a few drinks. This is not liberty; it's addiction.
* We assume that the alcohol content today is the same as in Jesus' day. In His day, a little water was often placed into the wine and thus decreased the alcohol content (cf. 1 Timothy 5:23) ... much like an O'douls today. "Strong drink" were drinks with higher alcohol content that led to drunkenness. Craft beer, for example, often has two times more alcohol than mass-produced beer. Those having two pints of craft beer may have the equivalent of five regular beers.
* "Jesus ate and drank with sinners." "But there is no suggestion in Scripture that Jesus purposely assumed the look and lifestyle of a publican in order to gain acceptance..." (John MacArthur). We should fellowship without engaging in the practices of a secular lifestyle. The world will know that we are Christians by our love and by our convictions, not by how well we imitate the world around us. We seldom hear non-Christians say, "I'm turned off by Christians because they seldom compromise." But we do hear, "Christians who say one thing and do another really turn me off." "Be not among winebibbers ..." (Proverbs 23:20).
* Drinking often is now called liberty instead of addiction. Many Christians center everything around alcohol — fellowship, events, birthdays, bible studies, etc. When alcohol is the center of attention, it becomes an idol and an addiction. This is why many will be offended by this article.
* In Jesus' day, society was much more isolated. We cannot calculate how many people are affected by today's social media. A person with 500 "friends" may be encouraging dozens to stumble. It is the selfless motivation of love that keeps us from causing others to stumble (cf. Romans 14).
1 Peter 2:16 reminds us that many use liberty to hide sin: "A cloak for vice," and Galatians 5:13 says we should not "use our freedom to indulge the flesh." If these points raise concerns, I encourage honest repentance. Its often not "if" alcohol consumption causes damage but "when." Why would we willingly walk into the enemy's camp?
God does not want us to be enslaved to anything. It is important that we take an account of our lives and see if this area has a hold on us. Be honest. How much do you drink? Is it really one drink now and then, or is it throughout the week? Is it a large goblet that holds ¾ of a bottle of wine and do you fill it twice?
Do you make excuses in order to exceed moderation and plan activities around alcohol? Do others comment on your drinking? Do you often argue and try to justify your position? Paul said that even though we have freedom, not everything is good for us. We should not become a slave to anything (cf. 1 Corinthians 6:12). It's time to break free from this flawed liberty.
- Shane Idleman is the founder and lead pastor of Westside Christian Fellowship in Lancaster, California, just North of Los Angeles
"There are an awful lot of dead soldiers here," the elder said.
"Aye, there are sir. And not one of them went without a priest!"
I remember reading about how bible scholars said the original greek or hebrew the words sued indicated it was ‘exceedingly good’ or ‘perfect’ wine- - not just ‘good wine’- and that is why the crowd marveled or wondered and why the miracle was so significant- it also had a religious connotation somehow- (something like with Jesus You get the best- not a cheap imitation’ or some such concept- it also had very specific Jewish connotations too- it wasn’t just a event about turning water into wine- it had specific meaning to the Jews I guess)-
The comical part is that it just hit me, once Paul brought it out in front of God and everybody, the “weaker brother” part no longer applies, once you show the weaker brother that scripture. :)
In a way, he’s saying that is the way it should be if you find a brother that is not aware of what I just wrote in this letter.
Nowaday, all Christians (except very new believers) are aware of that scripture.
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Each and every miracle Yeshua worked had the same purpose:
To destroy one of the false commandments of the Pharisees’ burdensome false Law.
His first miracle demolished the false “Washing of the Hands” commandment.
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A friend of mine got married at the Ponderosa Ranch near incline village. Instead of playing the wedding march they played the theme to Bonanza. Fun wedding. The pastor had several weddings to do and after each he stopped in at the bar for a couple of shots. Seemed appropriate in that context.
Well said.
Everyone drank wine, cider, and ale for years because it was the only liquid available at the time that didn’t kill you. Breadmakers used the yeast from ale brewers to make their bread too.
Noting that I agree that it is sinful to drink alcoholic beverage if it causes people to stumble, please consider the following.
Given that 1 Timothy 3:3 shows that one criterion that Paul indicated with respect to “qualifications” for being an overseer is that candidate is not given to drunkenness, elders should get together with candidate to have a drink or two to see how candidate handles himself.
After all, you don’t want someone who is hiding problems to be an overseer.
Speaking of moderation, it’s funny how Christian churches or organizations that harp on drinking any alcohol usually never mention the deadly sin of gluttony. You can be 50 or 100 or however many pounds overweight, but DON’T TOUCH ALCOHOL!
Oh come on. Jesus turned a boatload of water into wine for a wedding. He likely drank wine everyday of his life.
“All thing in moderation.”
...including moderation.
This “tyranny of the weaker brother” nonsense is part of the ongoing infantilization of Christian faith.
“Pastor John MacArthur states what many of us feel but seldom discuss, “It is puerile and irresponsible for any pastor to encourage the recreational use of intoxicants — especially in church-sponsored activities. The ravages of alcoholism and drug abuse in our culture are too well known, and no symbol of sin’s bondage is more seductive or more oppressive than booze.”
Pastors would do well to follow the Bible on this matter.
Just DON’T GET DRUNK.
When they get on that high horse about the damage to society...relationships...health etc. they enter the earthly realm and neglect the heavenly.
Drunkenness is sin. The rest of it are the wages of sin.
And taking a drink is not sin.
Ocean City?
Thanks for bringing that passage about the qualifications for elders to light here.
Because before we can answer the question about a pastor having a drink, we must first discuss what is and isn’t a pastor.
A pastor is a bishop, or a shepherd, or an elder, overseer, presbyter, what have you. It’s always a plurality of men leading an autonomous church.
It is NOT just one man who is the preacher/evangelist.
How and why so many denominations ignore and disregard simple Bible leadership and authority is just sad.
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>> “ He likely drank wine everyday of his life.” <<
Truly!
It was the only way they could keep their water safe to drink. Wine is an absolute necessity of life in most of the world today.
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Jesus turned water into wine. What’s the problem?
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>> “ it also had a religious connotation somehow” <<
Not just a connotation, it was the whole reason for the miracle:
To demolish the Pharisees’ false “Washing of the hands” commandment.
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