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"Catholics Will Have to Decide Whether They Guard the Faith Over Papolatry"
Gloria TV ^ | July 17, 2017 | Gloria TV

Posted on 07/17/2017 8:08:32 AM PDT by ebb tide

“Francis is more interested in leftwing politics than in Catholic theology”, George Neumayr, contributing editor of The American Spectator, states talking to Tom Woods on July 14th on tomwoods.com. Woods describes Francis as a result of John Paul II who - as he puts it - appointed "absolutely terrible people" as bishops: "Catholics have suffered under Bergoglios for decades now”.

Neumayr agrees that a lot of the liberal bishops were appointed by John Paul II and Benedict XVI. He sees Francis as the “culmination of a century” of liberalism and modernism in the Church.

For him it is "highly unlikely" that Francis, who in his theology is “more a Protestant than a Catholic” will convert to Catholicism. Instead, the realistic scenario is that Francis will produce division and chaos, "Catholics will have to decide whether they guard the faith over papolatry.”

And: “The Cardinals have to declare that Francis is a bad pope who must be resisted.”


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: francischurch; protestants
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To: Petrosius

Borrowing from post #700, this thread;

"...Being just simply means being with Christ and in Christ. And this suffices. Further observances are no longer necessary. For this reason Luther's phrase: "faith alone" is true, if it is not opposed to faith in charity, in love. Faith is looking at Christ, entrusting oneself to Christ, being united to Christ, conformed to Christ, to his life. And the form, the life of Christ, is love; hence to believe is to conform to Christ and to enter into his love. So it is that in the Letter to the Galatians in which he primarily developed his teaching on justification St Paul speaks of faith that works through love (cf. Gal 5: 14..."

As I'd asked --- what world-renowned theologian said it? Who is being quoted in the above?

See post #700 for yet more agreement from among theologians to "faith alone", once that is properly understood to not be supportive of antinomianism. We are justified by faith alone, but not by a faith that is alone.

As also noted (from Protestant perspective) it is but one of five interdependent solas, thus were never truly ever alone.

881 posted on 07/22/2017 10:29:44 AM PDT by BlueDragon (whattya' mean you don't believe in Climate Change? the weather always seems to be changing...)
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To: rwa265
Should we also not be called instructors, or Teachers, or leaders, or masters, or directors?

Not wanting to muddy the water further; I'd suggest to you catholics to do whatever your OFFICIAL, chosen translation says:

Matthew 23:9    Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
 

  And call none your father upon earth; for one is your father, who is in heaven.

882 posted on 07/22/2017 11:23:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Petrosius
A classic example of rationalization to deny the clear meaning of Scripture...

You keep SAYING this but seem to never APPLY it to yourself.

Strange..



883 posted on 07/22/2017 11:26:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

I know what you’ve suggested about father. But if Matthew 23:9 tells Christians to call no one father, doesn’t Matthew 23:10 tell Christians that we are not to be called one or another of those other titles, depending on which version of the bible we read?


884 posted on 07/22/2017 12:15:33 PM PDT by rwa265
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To: rwa265

Matt. 23:9 seems so clear...and it comes first.

How are we doing on that one?


885 posted on 07/22/2017 12:28:02 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: boatbums

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Foolish comment!

There are no verses that say grace can save.

Grace introduces us to Faith. Enduring Faith will produce salvation. That is the message of the entire Bible.

“He that endures to the end, the same shall be saved.” (Mat 24)
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886 posted on 07/22/2017 1:01:01 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Petrosius
While in context.

The plain and succinct words of Jesus …

Like:

"This is my body."

While in context.

and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, "This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me." 1 Corinthians 11:24 NASB

And when He had taken some bread and given thanks, He broke it and gave it to them, saying, "This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me." Luke 22:19 NASB

887 posted on 07/22/2017 1:04:43 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

About the same as Matt 23:8 and 23:10. How about you?


888 posted on 07/22/2017 1:06:46 PM PDT by rwa265
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

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Your opinions are clearly worthless, as evidenced by post 775.

Calling one of the Worlds most spiritually gifted teachers a “cultist” is obviously demonically driven.

Also your statement “coming from poster who self-identifies as a follower of Cultist Michael Rood” is utterly false, since I follow only the written word of Yehova.

Truth would be a welcome addition to your traits.
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889 posted on 07/22/2017 1:21:14 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

“Calling one of the Worlds most spiritually gifted teachers a “cultist” is obviously demonically driven.”

Whoa! Needs a fast fix!

“Calling one of the Way International cult’s most manipulative teachers a “cultist” is dead on accurate.”

Thanks.


890 posted on 07/22/2017 1:53:24 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: rwa265

Great! As long as you call no man father.


891 posted on 07/22/2017 1:54:15 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: BlueDragon
As I'd asked --- what world-renowned theologian said it? Who is being quoted in the above?

I would ask you to take another look at the quote you gave from Pope Benedict XVI. He states:

For this reason Luther's phrase: "faith alone" is true, if it is not opposed to faith in charity, in love.
That is a big "if." But first we need to point out what are the "works" that Paul puts in opposition to "faith." As Pope Benedict writes in that same address:
And he adds "we hold that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the law" (ibid., v. 28). At this point Luther translated: "justified by faith alone". I shall return to this point at the end of the Catechesis. First, we must explain what is this "Law" from which we are freed and what are those "works of the Law" that do not justify. The opinion that was to recur systematically in history already existed in the community at Corinth. This opinion consisted in thinking that it was a question of moral law and that the Christian freedom thus consisted in the liberation from ethics. Thus in Corinth the term "πάντα μοι έξεστιν" (I can do what I like) was widespread. It is obvious that this interpretation is wrong: Christian freedom is not libertinism; the liberation of which St Paul spoke is not liberation from good works.

So what does the Law from which we are liberated and which does not save mean? For St Paul, as for all his contemporaries, the word "Law" meant the Torah in its totality, that is, the five books of Moses. The Torah, in the Pharisaic interpretation, that which Paul had studied and made his own, was a complex set of conduct codes that ranged from the ethical nucleus to observances of rites and worship and that essentially determined the identity of the just person. In particular, these included circumcision, observances concerning pure food and ritual purity in general, the rules regarding the observance of the Sabbath, etc. codes of conduct that also appear frequently in the debates between Jesus and his contemporaries.

Just as I have maintained, Pope Benedict points out that the "works" that Paul is referring to is the Torah, i.e. circumcision and the Mosaic Law, not the moral law. He continues:
With Christ, the God of Israel, the one true God, became the God of all peoples. The wall as he says in his Letter to the Ephesians between Israel and the Gentiles, was no longer necessary: it is Christ who protects us from polytheism and all of its deviations; it is Christ who unites us with and in the one God; it is Christ who guarantees our true identity within the diversity of cultures. The wall is no longer necessary; our common identity within the diversity of cultures is Christ, and it is he who makes us just. Being just simply means being with Christ and in Christ. And this suffices. Further observances [of Torah] are no longer necessary. For this reason Luther's phrase: "faith alone" is true, if it is not opposed to faith in charity, in love. Faith is looking at Christ, entrusting oneself to Christ, being united to Christ, conformed to Christ, to his life. And the form, the life of Christ, is love; hence to believe is to conform to Christ and to enter into his love. So it is that in the Letter to the Galatians in which he primarily developed his teaching on justification St Paul speaks of faith that works through love (cf. Gal 5: 14).

Paul knows that in the twofold love of God and neighbour the whole of the Law is present and carried out. Thus in communion with Christ, in a faith that creates charity, the entire Law is fulfilled. We become just by entering into communion with Christ who is Love. We shall see the same thing in the Gospel next Sunday, the Solemnity of Christ the King. It is the Gospel of the judge whose sole criterion is love. What he asks is only this: Did you visit me when I was sick? When I was in prison? Did you give me food to eat when I was hungry, did you clothe me when I was naked? And thus justice is decided in charity. Thus, at the end of this Gospel we can almost say: love alone, charity alone. But there is no contradiction between this Gospel and St Paul. It is the same vision, according to which communion with Christ, faith in Christ, creates charity. And charity is the fulfilment of communion with Christ. Thus, we are just by being united with him and in no other way.

Now if this is what you mean by faith alone, being freed from the works of the Torah but fulfilled in love, then we agree. But if we have faith without charity, then as Paul says: "if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing." (1 Cor. 13:2).
892 posted on 07/22/2017 2:47:04 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: ealgeone

The context that you give does not change its plain meaning.


893 posted on 07/22/2017 2:49:16 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

Pure nonsense. The plain and succinct words of Jesus are purposely twisted by Catholicism so the off., the institution of your false religion can be empowered. In that is proof enough that Catholicism is not from GOD ... yet you insist you will remain therein.


894 posted on 07/22/2017 2:51:25 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

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Your mistake is in failing to recognize the clear fact that Michael Rood’s involvement with “The Way” was in condemning their contra-biblical practices, such as calling men Rabbi, and promoting the wearing of Kippas, and following the Pharisees’ Takanot and Ma’assim.

That and the fact that he defeated them in court is the reason for their undying hatred.

As for the “Christian” hatred, it is because he calls out the contra-biblical nature of post 3rd century “inherited lies” on which their doctrine is based. (the broad path)

Words and actions have eternal consequences; especially false accusations.

Yes, your statements are in deep need of a “fix.”
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895 posted on 07/22/2017 3:17:50 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

So you agree we are not to be called instructors, or teachers, or leaders, or masters, or directors?


896 posted on 07/22/2017 3:19:51 PM PDT by rwa265
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To: editor-surveyor

Rood’s involvement in the Way International was as a “huddle leader.”

False teacher then.

When it imploded, he decided on a new gig, left his kids, went to Israel, grew a beard and continued telling Christians they are a false religion.

He added in the false Hebrew roots heresies.

False teacher now. More money begging for donations and selling books and tapes.


897 posted on 07/22/2017 3:26:03 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Elsie; ealgeone

Not to mention the verses about cutting off hands and plucking out eyes...


898 posted on 07/22/2017 3:29:30 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: Elsie; ealgeone

Or when Jesus said, “Get thee behind me, Satan...”


899 posted on 07/22/2017 3:38:01 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

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Yeshua was the chief teacher of the Hebrew Roots of the faith.

Rood’s “kids” are very much a part of the ministry.

The heresies are the inherited lies that “christianity” leans on in an attempt to defeat Yeshua’s faith.
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900 posted on 07/22/2017 3:44:04 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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