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Shroud of Turin coins may finally have been identified
Aletelia ^ | April 26, 2017 | Daniel Esparza

Posted on 04/26/2017 2:52:31 AM PDT by NYer

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To: Swordmaker
The only problem I have with that is that Christmas Day was 'selected' for the celebration of Jesus' birth only because the date coincided with start of the Roman celebration of Saturnalia, the extra six days left over in the Roman Calendar. There is zero evidence that Jesus was born onDecember 25th.

If the suggestion were correct, one would expect to find at least a single reference by early Christians to support it. Instead we find scores of quotations from Church Fathers indicating a desire to distance themselves from pagan religions.

Although the date of Christ’s birth is not given to us in Scripture, there is documented evidence that December 25 was already of some significance to Christians prior to A.D. 354. One example can be found in the writings of Hyppolytus of Rome, who explains in his Commentary on the book of Daniel (c. A.D. 204) that the Lord’s birth was believed to have occurred on that day:

For the first advent of our Lord in the flesh, when he was born in Bethlehem, was December 25th, Wednesday, while Augustus was in his forty-second year, but from Adam, five thousand and five hundred years. He suffered in the thirty-third year, March 25th, Friday, the eighteenth year of Tiberius Caesar, while Rufus and Roubellion were Consuls.

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61 posted on 04/26/2017 7:43:53 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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That still does not explain why anyone would be tending flocks in the fields at night when temperatures would drop below freezing. Even today shepherds do not do that. Why would they do such a thing in the first century? Something does not jibe with the facts of the real facts of life.


62 posted on 04/26/2017 8:08:13 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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On the other hand, it would explain why it would be VERY necessary to find room at the Inn... when any other time one could sleep outside with not too much discomfort.


63 posted on 04/26/2017 8:10:13 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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I think, as technology advances, we will learn more and more about the Shroud... and all if it will corroborate its authenticity.


64 posted on 04/26/2017 8:57:11 PM PDT by Melian (America, bless God. God, bless America.)
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That still does not explain why anyone would be tending flocks in the fields at night when temperatures would drop below freezing. Even today shepherds do not do that. Why would they do such a thing in the first century? Something does not jibe with the facts of the real facts of life.

Shepherds in the Bethlehem area, to this very day, keep their flocks out at night during all times of the year. Anyone visiting Bethlehem around Christmas time can still see the sheep outside with the shepherds.

65 posted on 04/27/2017 3:47:03 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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“However, the Catholic Church only officially recorded its existence in A.D. 1353, when it showed up in a tiny church in Lirey,”

So the shroud just happens to show up exactly during the time frame of the C-14 dating which is 1260–1390 CE. Lol.

I science and rationalize as much as you apparently Myth bro...


66 posted on 04/27/2017 3:53:47 AM PDT by HypatiaTaught (Trump's victory makes me smile 24/7)
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To: Swordmaker

You’re forgetting the catalytic effect of extremely high temperatures,

And go look at the shrowd: the fire damage is VERY extensive.

Also: You’re completely forgetting that radiation is logorythmic, not arithmatic.

Look, I’m not an expert on C14 dating. But I know what the experts said prior to the realization that they were looking at a patch. And I admitted that fact trumps all else.


67 posted on 04/27/2017 9:07:34 AM PDT by dangus
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