Posted on 02/24/2017 7:03:29 PM PST by marshmallow
Jeremiah 3:
8And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
Pretty CLEAR< Francis!
>Is Frances Catholic?
Can a Godless Communist be Catholic? Because I’m pretty sure he’s the former and unsure about the later.
>In my opinion, God hates divorce. Like you wrote, His clear intent is that couples marry for life. On the other hand, people are sinners, and we make spiritual mistakes, including divorce. If someone divorces and remarries, is that a sin? Christ said it was adultery, but adultery isn’t an unforgiveable sin. Clearly, repentance is called for in such circumstances. How does one show true repentance? By not repeating the sin.
Adultery carried the death sentence in Jesus’s day. For most of Church history adultery either resulted in the women being executed by civil authorities or being cast out of the church allowing the man to remarry as she was no longer a Christian. Once a woman cheats on you she’s do it again thus there’s no point of continuing the marriage.
Hopefully many turn away from that and become Christians. I know quite a few in my neck of the woods that have. It’s great!
But what if the horse is REALLY hung? (cf Ezekiel 23:20 and 1 Oprah 6:66)
No, you've got it backwards. Temporary insanity is usually what *leads* to marriage... :-P
A complete, utter lunatic.
Wait, does that mean we can divorce him?
Besides, you spelled "heretic" wrong.
...and thanks to Ronald Reagan and his "no fault divorce" (the other major screw up of his besides Amnesty and getting suckered on "future spending cuts")...we have the society we do today.
Divorce for ANY reason used to be a major stigma.
And yet, sociological studies as well as statistics on prescription use, show women today in the US are unhappier than they have ever been.
A lot of words to rationalize disobedience to the words of our Lord. (And yes, I read the whole thing.) Saint Paul is also clear; after divorce there are two options: reconciliation or remaining single.
All of the complaints that our Lord’s command about divorce are too hard ignore the fact that in the New Covenant of Jesus Christ we have access to all the grace we need to live according to the Gospel. Those who object do not lack the grace but refuse to submit their will. “Thy will be done” needs to be in our hearts, and not just on our lips.
The thing about that is “wanting it”.
Consider for a moment that there is sin that people do, sin that people have been misled to believe is okay, sin that people now believe is both right and good, and finally sin that is somehow seen as a vital component of how someone views their identity, or who they fundamentally are.
Each step up the chain ratchets up what must be surrendered to repent.
A sin that is just something someone does, which is casual and incidental, even though realized to be less than optimal if not realized to be actual sin is no great bar to salvation.
Willful sin is at its base a matter of actually knowing about The Lord, knowing that He is Holy (Holy, Holy) and His judgments are utterly correct, and departing from them. This is a very dangerous place to be because it is only from here that, per Romans 1, people are turned over to reprobate minds. But between boldly highhanded sinning and just sinning there is a gulf that requires human volition to cross.
Now when someone has come to the point that they’ve been decieved and view something sinful as okay, tolerable, they may have started out sinning highhandedly, but it is just as likely that their society, the people they actually live with, has it wrong.
This is, I’m convinced, where Isaiah found himself when in the presence of undimmed Holiness he lamented that he was a man of unclean lips among a people of unclean lips. Here too I might point to what Lewis wrote when spoke of being introduced to a better (human) society than what he’d known and uncomfortably discovering his ways weren’t all that great. It may be truly said that no “society”, no companions, are better than The Lord, so where Lewis felt discomfort Isaiah emotes heart wrenching despair, a cry of defeat ... IOW profound repentance.
Here we can see that it becomes harder to repent of your society because it means stepping out, being different, and even giving up things you’ve never considered bad.
We might consider “tolerance” as in “positive tolerance” (as opposed to just tolerating something on the mistaken belief it it harm no one) to be one of the mechanisms / stepping stones our society proffers to get folks to the next level where you are decieved to believe sin is right and good.
Here faulty morality, deviant morality, actively gets in the way of salvation for to repent requires rejecting, or at least starting to reject, something they think is good.
We might here think on a person who is not a homosexual but who confesses homosexuality to be both natural and normal and who calls those who don’t “homophobes” or “deplorables”.
If such a person has never really known much about God or His only offered salvation they aren’t at the same risks as someone who has. A person who finds himself with these sorts of attitudes still constitute part of those who’ve got reprobate minds (and it doesn’t stop with supporting homosexuality just as it didn’t start with it).
Finally there is a relatively rare state where the sin is now confused with whole sense of identity itself. A person does not just “do” X or Y, they “are” X or Y. Homosexuality and now genderism are examples of these we can see in the lives of people. To ask them to repent is to demand that they give up who they think they fundamentally are ... and this is obviously very hard for them.
Consider that in Christ “Christian” is the ultimate identity of a still mortal saint. The Holy Spirit is present and He just simply will not share so ultimately everything contrary to Him must go. While we are still mortals this stuff on eviction notice is what Paul called a body of death. It will be removed but for now it would very much like us to obey it rather than the Holy Spirit.
But if someone confesses that their underlying nature is “homosexual” they have a stronghold set up for the enemy of their soul’s right where it does the most damage: their very sense of self.
As it often seems that homosexuality (etc) is the sin that is more likely to get wrapped up on a sense of identity, one might point to how utterly lucid and sober Romans 1 is in calling out this one sin, and those who support it in the culture, as a proverbial canary in a coal mine for when people are proceeding from being merely bad to irredeemably bad.
Yes, God can squeeze proverbial camels through needles.
... but the camel has got to be albe give up, and indeed give up, the delusion it’s a chipmunk at some point.
Who IS this man??????????
Rom_6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Gal_5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
This destroys any perception the Catholic Church has created in you dealing with the penalty for divorce...
1Co 7:27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.
1Co 7:28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned.
Paul says if you remarry, you have NOT sinned...
You picked the reference to one who was engaged, but not married.
Let’s look in context:
From the NIV:
Concerning the Unmarried
25 Now about virgins: I have no command from the Lord, but I give a judgment as one who by the Lord’s mercy is trustworthy. 26 Because of the present crisis, I think that it is good for a man to remain as he is. 27 Are you pledged to a woman? Do not seek to be released. Are you free from such a commitment? Do not look for a wife. 28 But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.
It is wrong to remarry while your spouse is alive, if you were divorced.
http://novusordowatch.org/2017/02/gospel-adultery-francis-casuistry/
At the daily ding-dong school of apostasy...lol.....
Now, if a person, while a teenager, gets married and it is soon obvious that it was a tragic mistake, and it’s impossible to live with that person and they then get a divorce.
The genealogists would be pulling their hair out, know one would know who their dad was.
Any one can only do so much and can only take so much but if the responsibility is taken away before they even try they probably will not try.
You said what you said.
He says nothing about “remarriage” in that verse. That just you reading your errors back into Scripture.
1Co 7:27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.
1Co 7:28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned
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I think it's hilarious that I or anyone has to point this out...YES, it does talk about remarriage...
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