Posted on 02/20/2017 5:31:52 AM PST by metmom
Isaiah 13:17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it...
I was think more along the lines of the Pharisee and the publican in Luke.
ME wake up??? Here was the post I responded to:
>> Metmom: “Our garment of righteousness is the righteousness of Jesus Christ imputed to us which is credited to our account when we believe.” <<
You: Nowhere is that absurd lie to be found on the word. That is a false gospel from the adversary.
I then showed you Scripture that stated we ARE clothed with the "garment of righteousness" from the Lord. So now you insist that righteousness being "imputed" to anyone is my own "idios ipsalusos" (whatever THAT means!) and that I am a “worker of iniquity”. So I offer the following passages that very specifically say that Christ's righteousness IS imputed to us just as much as it was to Abraham through faith from the start (they aren't even "churchian soundbites" either). You can choose to ignore them like you have been doing with most of the other verses provided to you and work your way to salvation - though it will be you and your fellow Roodians who will hear some scary words at the Great White Throne Judgment. You can call this "excrement" if you want, but that will only further your condemnation:
What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, has found? For if Abraham were justified by works, he has whereof to glory; but not before God. For what said the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him for righteousness. Now to him that works is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that works not, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describes the blessedness of the man, to whom God imputes righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.(Romans 4:1-8)
Comes this blessedness then on the circumcision only, or on the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed to them also: And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. (Romans 4:9-12)
For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: Because the law works wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, (As it is written, I have made you a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who vivifies the dead, and calls those things which be not as though they were. Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall your seed be. And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah's womb: He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; Who was delivered for our offenses, and was raised again for our justification. (Romans 4:13-25)
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness. Why? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. (Romans 9:30-32)
But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ to all and on all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God has set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believes in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? No: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. (Romans 3:21-28)
1 Corinthians 1:30
But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,
2 Corinthians 5:21
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
Romans 5:17
For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Romans 4:5
But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,
Romans 5:17
For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Romans 4:5
But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,
It sure looks like Paul was writing especially for you! Some more: http://bible.knowing-jesus.com/words/Imputed
Agreed!
I've often wondered why more believers don't study with discernment, the differences in knowledge of good and evil vs fellowship with God through faith in Christ.
Our souls are so scarred in parsing all experience in the former, that we frequently are distracted from the latter.
Excellent.
I’m keeping that.
Maybe they were not "destined", as in a Noah, Mosses, David, and etc., whom I had in mind, but are the less_than_righteous (both the Pharisee and publicans) used for some purpose of the Almighty, I would be among the yeas.
How overwhelmingly complex when you stop to consider all the ways and times the Almighty has steered mankind down a path only he fully knows/understands.
For instance, the Pharisees, righteous in their own mind at the time of Yeshua, played a major role in convicting the entire nation of Israel. Our liberals today, righteous in their own minds, and even with outside help, are playing a similar role.
Have we learned anything from history/scripture, or will we repeat the past and allow ourselves to be convicted, as a nation, by the actions of a few? So far we have. It's why one third of all pregnancies end in the murder, and why unholy matrimony takes place in a house of God.
It seems complex and really hard to get "intelligent beings", with freewill, past a point of self-destruction, even for the Almighty.
In fact, it seems so hard, maybe it has something to do with why we haven't seen signs of others in this galaxy? :)
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual ...
.
You can read things not there into whatever you wish, but Yeshua made it plain that Torah alone is our righteousness, our “garment.”
Paul did the same in Romans 2.
Faith is the natural keeping of Torah. It comes from “hearing” the word of Yehova (Tanakh).
Peter explained the outcome for those that ‘wrest’ with what Paul taught.
Have fun crafting Churchianity, but it lies outside the realm of Yehova’s word.
.
We’ll see. My hope is built on nothing less than Jesus’ blood and righteousness. I dare not trust the sweetest frame but wholly lean on Jesus’ name. On Christ the solid rock I stand, all other ground is sinking sand.
...and eating the Host.
—Catholic_Wannabe_Dude(Hail Mary!)
.
Then your hope is built on Fairy poop.
If intellectual belief were enough, John would be a liar.
So would Yeshua, since he demanded Torah clearly in Matthew 5, 7, and 24.
In what, exactly will you “Endure to the end?” For what exactly will you “watch” lest he come as a thief? For what exactly was Paul’s epistle to the Colossians praising them, and in what would they yield to judged by no man but “The Body of Christ?”
Did Yeshua, John, and Paul make ‘flip’ comments?
.
What a HORRIBLE thing to call the ROCK of our salvation! You ought to be ashamed. You also have NO idea what is in my heart nor the essence of my faith in Jesus Christ. Give up trying to mind read, you suck at it. Almighty God alone sees my heart and I am confident of this, that he who began a good work in me will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.
We have to keep it perfectly, without one single slip up, even in the heart.
If someone could indeed keep the law as Jesus said must be done to see God, then salvation would indeed come by the law.
But the Law was not put in charge to give us salvation but by the law comes knowledge of sin. The Law was put in charge to show us God's standards, to show that we CANNOT keep it, and to lead us to Christ that we be justified by faith, just as Abraham was.
Galatians 2:15-16 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
Galatians 2:21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
Since you demand that we keep the Law, where do you go for your sacrifices? Where is the Temple and where is the priesthood that are ordained and consecrated by God to offer the correct and acceptable sacrifices?
Do you think posting on the Sabbath si breaking the Sabbath?
Galatians 2:15-21 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not! For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor. For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
Galatians 3:1-29 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?
Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.
Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.
Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
What do you expect from someone who is deceived into following the very legalism we were saved from?
Follow a deceiver like Rood and you’ll get all kinds of foul stuff, talk that is unbecoming for someone who claims to have to live by the Law to be saved.
I wonder where in the Law there are allowances for talking like that?
You who are trying to be justified by the Law have been severed from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. But by faith we eagerly await through the Spirit the hope of righteousness. (Galatians 5:4,5)
The whole letter of Galatians is basically addressed to Judaizers, those who think that somehow our righteous standing before God is a result of our own actions and so require obedience to the Law to attain salvation.
You mean like...
Acts 15:1
Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.”
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.