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Can I lose My Salvation?
Westside Christian Fellowshihp ^ | Jan 12, 2017 | Shane Idleman

Posted on 02/20/2017 5:31:52 AM PST by metmom

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To: kosciusko51; Mr Rogers

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>> “To use your analogy, are you saying that God doesn’t know who is going to get in the boat and stay in the boat?” <<

Its not what he knows, but how we obey what he has commanded. We are creatures with a free will; no other people could be purified to be with Yehova for eternity.
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201 posted on 02/21/2017 8:26:40 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
“Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.”

Amen!

202 posted on 02/21/2017 8:26:49 AM PST by amorphous
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To: MHGinTN
I was making a stumbling play on Scottie’s sentence to Captain Kirk, in...

"You're too cleaver by half." - your own words

203 posted on 02/21/2017 8:28:41 AM PST by amorphous
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To: Elsie
This is some mighty deep theology right here!

Thanks! For awhile, I was unsure if "unboxable" was even a real word. ;)

204 posted on 02/21/2017 8:30:24 AM PST by amorphous
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To: amorphous; Elsie

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>> “*Patterns of Evidence*, site the discovery of a piece of red material within the remaining portion of the wall of Jericho.” <<

And Tim Mahoney’s diligent work is something that every believer should experience.

It removes all doubt for those that have an honest spirit.
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205 posted on 02/21/2017 8:34:47 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: amorphous; Elsie
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Patterns of Evidence
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206 posted on 02/21/2017 8:36:33 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Elsie; editor-surveyor
As Mark Twain is claimed to have said...

He is also claimed to have said,

"Heaven goes by favor. If it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in." - MT

He then says,

"The dog is a gentleman; I hope to go to his heaven, not man's." - MT

All of which deserves its own thread someday.

207 posted on 02/21/2017 8:37:23 AM PST by amorphous
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To: amorphous

Go to heaven for the climate and hell for the company.
- Mark Twain


208 posted on 02/21/2017 8:39:28 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: editor-surveyor; All
It removes all doubt for those that have an honest spirit.

Indeed. It's awesome and goosebump inspiring!

209 posted on 02/21/2017 8:39:58 AM PST by amorphous
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To: central_va
Lol, an amazing man. I hope he finds himself in the former and not the latter.

Seeing the irony in His judgments, the Almighty must have a very keen sense of humor. ;)

210 posted on 02/21/2017 8:42:30 AM PST by amorphous
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To: kosciusko51; Mr Rogers; metmom; Elsie
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>> “This is not the only view on the matter. In fact, Matthew Henry's Commentary on Hebrews 6 presents a much different picture.” <<

Beware of   “Theology.” (different pictures than the plain words of scripture)
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211 posted on 02/21/2017 8:44:48 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Mr Rogers; kosciusko51

That still doesn’t reconcile what you are claiming to the verses that I posted about the assurance of our salvation and the guarantee of it that the deposit of the Holy Spirit is.


212 posted on 02/21/2017 9:45:23 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: kosciusko51
"To use your analogy, are you saying that God doesn’t know who is going to get in the boat and stay in the boat? And that His Will is secondary to man’s will?"

God knows. But yes, God has given men the ability to decide. Thus the call to repent is a real call and not a lie. It involves a real choice, as is clearly taught in scripture.

"Not to mention how they get in the boat, being dead to their trespasses and sin."

That contradicts its clear meaning in scripture.

1 And He said, “A man had two sons. 12 The younger of them said to his father, ‘Father, give me the share of the estate that falls to me.’ So he divided his wealth between them. 13 And not many days later, the younger son gathered everything together and went on a journey into a distant country, and there he squandered his estate with loose living.

14 Now when he had spent everything, a severe famine occurred in that country, and he began to be impoverished. 15 So he went and hired himself out to one of the citizens of that country, and he sent him into his fields to feed swine. 16 And he would have gladly filled his stomach with the pods that the swine were eating, and no one was giving anything to him.

17 But when he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired men have more than enough bread, but I am dying here with hunger! 18 I will get up and go to my father, and will say to him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in your sight; 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me as one of your hired men.”’

20 So he got up and came to his father. But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and felt compassion for him, and ran and embraced him and kissed him. 21 And the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight; I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’

22 But the father said to his slaves, ‘Quickly bring out the best robe and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand and sandals on his feet; 23 and bring the fattened calf, kill it, and let us eat and celebrate; 24 for this son of mine was dead and has come to life again; he was lost and has been found.’ And they began to celebrate.

Luke 15

How could the Prodigal Son decide to return to his father? How could he pick himself up and walk? After all: he "was dead", and no one went to him and forced life into his dead body.

213 posted on 02/21/2017 10:30:38 AM PST by Mr Rogers
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Did the Prodigal son ever not be the son of his father? While feeding the pigs in the fields, was he ever not the son of his father, therefore still a member of the family to which he eventually returned? ... Take care how you view that story. The son who stayed behind exposed his heart of jealously ...


214 posted on 02/21/2017 11:42:08 AM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: amorphous

The OPINION of someone lauding the ravings of a Michael Rood sycophant is imminently ignorable.


215 posted on 02/21/2017 11:47:54 AM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN

What did the Father say? “...this son of mine was dead and has come to life again; he was lost and has been found.’”

Dead.

How can a dead man return to his father? Except, of course, “dead” is used to mean totally alienated, not incapable of action. And while we are described as having been “dead” in our sins, we are also described as acting on our choices.

When Jesus said, “Repent!” - did he mean it? Or was repentance impossible? If it were impossible, how could He honestly command people to repent?

What about Peter?

““Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself.” 40 And with many other words he solemnly testified and kept on exhorting them, saying, “Be saved from this perverse generation!”

Why exhort a dead man? Hmmm?

Indeed, the entire Bible teaches we ARE capable of making choices. Genesis 4: “Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? 7 If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it.”

Cain is clearly described as having a choice to make. And so it goes, clear thru the Bible.

“... Take care how you view that story. The son who stayed behind exposed his heart of jealously ...”

????????????????????????????????????

I have no clue what you are worried about on my behalf.


216 posted on 02/21/2017 12:05:31 PM PST by Mr Rogers
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To: MHGinTN
My "ravings" are my own.

Seek counseling.

217 posted on 02/21/2017 12:07:17 PM PST by amorphous
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To: amorphous

Your insult aside, do a little research on Michael Rood.


218 posted on 02/21/2017 1:04:53 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN

Oh...

I was referring to old maps...


219 posted on 02/21/2017 3:56:18 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: kosciusko51
Let's read what Jesus said:

Mark 4:13-20
 
 
And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? And how then will ye know all parables?
 
The sower soweth the word. 15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts. 16 And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness; 17 And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word’s sake, immediately they are offended. 18 And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word, 19 And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful. 20 And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.

220 posted on 02/21/2017 3:59:42 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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