The very existence? Not hardly, as I pointed out, and did take some effort to explain just why. Obviously enough you cannot refute my own grounds of refutation of this claim you are making.
Think of it this way; if there was a grocery list found among the fragments -- would existence of that irrefutably establish that grocery list have been considered to be what roughly parallels Christian concepts of belonging to canon of Scripture?
Putting it as "grocery list" in regards to writings and identifiable fragments of Dead Sea scrolls that are in NOBODY's collection of Holy Writ is of course exaggeration on my part.
There is enough grounds there (in what I said previously, and now again pointing towards much the same thing) for challenge serious enough to what you have asserted that 'overturning' is accomplished by default, whether you are willing to recognize it, or not.
Perhaps you could go back and reword what you said. Perhaps then you could construct something that does not collapse under weight of willful blindness and critical omissions.
BlueDragon, apparently I have to explain something to you on step at a time because you do not (apparently) understand reality.
This was Iscool’s comment below. Please read it carefully. I know anti-Catholics often struggle with basic reading comprehension problems. Take your time.
“It is understood by may that Origen or likely Esebius was the actual author of your supposed Apocrypha long after the New Testament was written and inserted words and phrases that copied the New Testament...”
Origen lived from about A.D. 184 - 254.
Eusebius lived from about A.D. 260 - 340.
The Dead Sea Scrolls were ALL written BEFORE Origen or Eusebius were born. Thus, the fact that some of the Deuterocanonicals were found among the Dead Sea Scrolls means that Origen and Eusebius could not have written them.
That is IRREFUTABLY true. A man cannot go back in time and write a book that existed before he was born. We can argue over whether or not Shakespeare wrote all the plays ascribed to him. What no one can logically do is argue that the plays were written by someone else centuries later when they were already known to have existed before that someone else was born. Do you understand that?
Now, even though everything I wrote above - and previously stated in shorter form - is irrefutably true because time travel does not exist, you still wrote: “The very existence? Not hardly, as I pointed out, and did take some effort to explain just why.”
Again, people not yet born cannot write books which existed BEFORE THEY WERE BORN. That’s how the real world works.
Now, specifically about Origen. There is no evidence, whatsoever, that Origen wrote any of the Deuterocanonicals. None. 1) Some were known to exist in the Dead Sea Scrolls which predate Origen’s birth, 2) He discusses them in such a way that he clearly knows other people are aware of their existence far and wide and that can’t be because of him. http://matt1618.freeyellow.com/deut.html#Origen, [185-253/254 A.D] And the fact that Origen discusses Susanna, The Song of the Three Children, Sirach, Tobit, Judith, Maccabees, IN THE THIRD CENTURY automatically means Eusebius could not have written them ALMOST A CENTURY LATER BECAUSE THEY ALREADY EXISTED.
The very fact that I have to explain to someone that books can’t be written by people who are not yet born shows just how bizarre a comment like yours is.
I can only assume that you will now insist we were talking about something else. So, I will simply point out two things again:
1) This was Iscool’s original comment: “It is understood by may that Origen or likely Esebius was the actual author of your supposed Apocrypha long after the New Testament was written and inserted words and phrases that copied the New Testament...”
2) And this was what I wrote: “A claim was made that is directly refuted by the very existence of certain texts in the Dead Sea Scrolls. It’s just that simple.”
What I wrote was irrefutably true. If texts of the Deuterocanonicals exist in the Dead Sea Scrolls then they could not have been originally written by someone else a century or two afterward because they already existed.