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God Is Three
Grace to You.org ^ | 1997 | John MacArthur, Grace Community Church

Posted on 02/05/2017 3:05:14 PM PST by metmom

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1 posted on 02/05/2017 3:05:14 PM PST by metmom
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To: Alex Murphy; bkaycee; boatbums; CynicalBear; daniel1212; dragonblustar; Dutchboy88; ealgeone; ...

Studying God’s Word ping


2 posted on 02/05/2017 3:05:36 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

The truth is really simple. This trinity thing though, it’s always needing to be explained. You’d think a “basic tenet’ would be just that.

It is getting down to the wire, folks. Hopefully a few will realize the problem before it is too late.


3 posted on 02/05/2017 3:33:49 PM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn(ed!) the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: metmom

So God is one, but God is three. This is a profound mystery that no human illustration can adequately describe and no scientific explanation can prove.
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There was no scientific explanation up until about 1948. Since we are near the time of the end, knowledge has increased!

The Unified Field Theory proposed by Burkhard Heim (1925-2001) is a completely discrete theory that is based on the quantization of areas in multiple dimensions. It treats the universe as an accounting system, which is clearly in consonance with the Holy Scriptures, as we shall see. Originally proposed with six dimensions; it was later expanded into 12 dimensions to fully account for Quantum Mechanics. Heim calculated the mass values of the elemental particles using the 6-dimensional formulation and six experimentally measured fundamental constants, such as the speed of light in a vacuum, and arrived at values that were in good (!) agreement with observations.

Burkhard Heim arrived at a description of “the beginning” from the currently observed universe using logic and mathematics. He described the process he used in a presentation to the scientists at Messerschmitt-Bölkow-Blohm (MBB) in Ottoburnn, Germany on November 25, 1976. An annotated transcript of the presentation and an English translation was produced by Olar Posdzech, Jim Graham, John Reed and Wilfried Kugel between 2000 and 2009. In this presentation, Heim derived the fundamental quantum of area which he called a “metron”.

In 1992, Tamar Auerbach explained the cosmology of Heim’s Theory as follows:

“In Heim’s theory both the metronic size, t, and the largest diameter D depend on the age of the universe. The dependence is such that D is expanding and t is contracting, so that D was smaller in the past and t was larger. It stands to reason that at one time in the distant past the surface area of a sphere of diameter D in our 3-dimensional world was equal to the size of t. This instant marks the origin of the universe and of time.

The mathematical relation between D and t is not simple, so that 3 different values of D are found to satisfy the criterion that the area of a sphere of diameter D be equal to t at the beginning of time. Evidently, the universe started as a trinity of spheres, whose diameters turn out to be (in meters):

D1 = 0.90992 m, D2 = 1.06426 m, D3 = 3.70121 m.

This trinity of spheres has important bearings on the structure of elementary particles.

From the first moment the universe began to expand, though at a slower rate than is presently predicted on the basis of the red shift of distant galaxies. Heim’s theory results in a present age of the universe approximately equal to 5.45 x 10^107 years, and a diameter D of about 6.37 x 10^109 light years. During most of its existence the universe consisted of an empty metronic lattice, whose metrons kept getting smaller as the universe grew larger.

Eventually, metrons became small enough for matter to come into existence. This may have occurred some 15-40 billion (10^9) years ago, at which time matter was created throughout the volume of the universe. Hence, according to Heim matter did not originate very soon after a “big bang” explosion but more uniformly in scattered “fire-cracker” like bursts, perhaps of galactic proportions. Spontaneous uniform creation of matter, coupled with the partly attractive and partly repulsive force of gravity mentioned in Section 3 resulted in the observed large-scale galactic structure of the universe. Creation of matter continues to this day, though on a very much reduced scale.”
Heim’s Theory of Elementary Particle Structures, T. Auerbach and Illobrand von Ludwiger published by the Journal of Scientific Exploration, Vol. 6, No. 3, pp. 217-231, 1992

Heim’s Theory then starts in an analogous way to the way the Hebrew Sages explain it:

And He created His universe with three books (Sepharim), with text (Sepher) with number (Sephar) and with communication (Sippur).
Kaplan, Aryeh (2004-03-15). Sefer Yetzirah: The Book of Creation in Theory and Practice (Kindle Locations 445-449). Red Wheel Weiser. Kindle Edition.

Now the Sefer Yetzirah is said to be part of the oral Torah, but we don’t know for sure, so it should be treated as commentary. So we must look for a pattern in the Torah that matches Heim’s Theory in order to consider Heim’s theory a match for the first creation story. The amazing thing is that the Torah’s description of the creation of the Nation of Israel fits the pattern of these three spheres (books) and the organization of the dimensions used in Extended Heim Theory.

If we simply number the 12 sons of Jacob in the order they were born, we get the following:

x1 Gen 29:32 So Leah conceived and bore a son, and she called his name Reuben; for she said, “The LORD has surely seen my affliction. Now therefore, my husband will love me.”
x2 Gen 29:33 Then she conceived again and bore a son, and said, “Because the LORD has heard that I am unloved, He has therefore given me this son also.” And she called his name Simeon.
x3 Gen 29:34 She conceived again and bore a son, and said, “Now this time my husband will become attached to me, because I have borne him three sons.” Therefore his name was called Levi.
x4 Gen 29:35 And she conceived again and bore a son, and said, “Now I will praise Yahweh.” Therefore she called his name Judah. Then she stopped bearing.
x5 Gen 30:6 Then Rachel said, “God has judged my case; and He has also heard my voice and given me a son.” Therefore she called his name Dan.
x6 Gen 30:8 Rachel said, “With great wrestlings I have wrestled with my sister, and indeed I have prevailed.” So she called him Naphtali.
x7 Gen 30:11 Then Leah said, “A troop comes!” So she called his name Gad.
x8 Gen 30:13 Then Leah said, “I am happy, for the daughters will call me blessed.” So she called his name Asher.
x9 Gen 30:18 Leah said, “God has given me my hire [wages] because I have given my maid to my husband.” So she called his name Issachar.
x10 Gen 30:20b Leah said, “...now my husband will dwell with me, because I have borne him six sons.” So she called his name Zebulun.
x11 Gen 30:24 So she [Rebecca] called his name Joseph, and said, “The LORD shall add to me another son.”
x12 Gen 35:18 As her soul was departing (for she died), she [Rebecca] called his name Ben-Oni [son of my sorrow]; but his father called him Ben-Jamin.

There probably is some significance to the names themselves, but at this point I have only looked at the birth order and grouping related to the dimensions used in Extended Heim Theory.

Leah’s first three sons, Reuben, Simion, and Levi, represent the R3 (x,y,z) Spatial Dimensions. Her fourth son, Judah, represents T! (t) Time. Note that this associates the genealogy of Jesus with time!

Rachel’s maid, Bihah, two sons, Dan and Naphtali, represent S2 (x5, x6) the Structure dimensions. These are the dimensions that provide the electromagnetic force. Heim’s initial theory used only these six dimensions.

Leah’s maid, Zilpha, responds with two sons, Gad and Asher, who represent I2 (x7,x8) the Information dimensions.

The next four dimensions are called the God Dimensions because these dimensions contains structures that steer the events of the other dimensions. They are associated with Jacob’s two wives. Leah’s last two sons, Issachar and Zebulun, and Rachel’s two sons, Joseph and Benjamin represent G4 (x9,x10,x11,x12).

Once I recognized this pattern, it was apparent that the Three Spheres (Books) were symbolized by Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

What are the chances of this happening if the Holy Scriptures are not the Word of YHWH, the True and Living God, Creator of the Universe?


4 posted on 02/05/2017 3:38:32 PM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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To: Ezekiel

See my post just below yours. The answer has been provide, just in time! ;-)


5 posted on 02/05/2017 3:39:58 PM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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To: SubMareener
I am not able to follow. But this I get:

This is the simple meaning that is the Messianic Light. It's way more literal than people know. WYSIWYG, but who ever sees that? The paradigm shift is going to shock.

6 posted on 02/05/2017 3:50:15 PM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn(ed!) the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: Ezekiel; metmom
The truth is really simple. This trinity thing though, it’s always needing to be explained. You’d think a “basic tenet’ would be just that.

Most of the truths that make up the tenets of the Christian faith have to be explained but are accepted by faith. The simplicity comes when we make that leap of faith and trust in what God has revealed in His word. How is believing in the triunity of our God any more complex than the belief that the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary made propitiation for all our sins past, present and future, or that we through faith are made as righteous as God? For that matter, how about God creating the universe out of nothing by speaking a word? Or a virgin woman becoming pregnant with the God of the universe taking on human flesh? There is a LOT of unexplainable, complex and far-from-simple truths that we nevertheless accept and believe by faith and, without faith, it is impossible to please God.

7 posted on 02/05/2017 8:06:49 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Ezekiel; boatbums; SubMareener

Any God that can be explained is not a big enough God for me.


8 posted on 02/05/2017 8:30:05 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: boatbums
There is a difference in events that are simply stated in the text (believed or not, they are simply there, like the burning bush or the parting of the Red Sea), and doctrines that aren't stated, but are always being explained... and explained... and explained, within the church itself.

The "truth" of the trinity is perpetually seeded within religious writings like cultural propaganda is inserted into movies and TV.. in order to normalize it. Ubiquity created established beliefs, just as the uniparty Establishment always determined who was next. Then along came President Trump.

If readers were nominally observant, they'd notice how many times Jesus attempted to correct the wrong premises of the religious experts. History repeats.

If the Messiah believed in the trinity, he'd never recognize himself. Good thing he's keen on the truth in all matters. There's just not enough popcorn for what's about to go down.

9 posted on 02/05/2017 8:50:22 PM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn(ed!) the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: metmom

No one is saying that this explains God, but it does explain the Trinity in terms of general revelation, i.e., things we can observe and reason from our experiences in the world, validated by the revealed word of God.


10 posted on 02/05/2017 8:53:37 PM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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To: metmom

Many things *can’t* be adequately explained ever, because they are not true.

They have nothing in common with God’s actual truth. The Bible and all of Creation witness to God’s infinite majesty and sense of structure and organization. And sense of humor, too. The trinity doctrine, OTOH, could be best described as a hot mess.


11 posted on 02/05/2017 8:59:38 PM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn(ed!) the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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They have nothing in common with God’s actual truth. The Bible and all of Creation witness to God’s infinite majesty and sense of structure and organization. And sense of humor, too. The trinity doctrine, OTOH, could be best described as a hot mess.

Where do you think the early Christians got the idea of a Trinity? What you call a "hot mess" may communicate your view of how clumsily the doctrine may have been explained in the past, but that is only the fault of finite human minds trying the best they can to explain something of the infinite. Regardless, there is no escaping the truth that Scripture DOES teach the triune nature of God.

Now, you may not believe in the doctrine - and only you can relate why you reject it - but it is a solid fact that the early doctrinal disputes with sects such as Docetists and Gnostics were disputed BY the appeal to Holy Scripture. Men such as Athanasius presented a better argument than they could and it is why the belief in the Trinity has remained a central tenet of the Christian faith.

Here's the argument...we believe in only one God. Jesus is God in the flesh as prophesied, by his own words and by the words of the Apostles in the writings of the New Testament. Those same sources say that the Holy Spirit is God. Ergo...we have ONE God who is manifested in three persons - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. There are far too many passages of Scripture one would have to ignore to assert Christians just "read into" or made up the doctrine without Scriptural warrant.

12 posted on 02/05/2017 9:28:44 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: metmom
God is one, but He exists in three distinct Persons. We call this the Trinity, a contraction of “tri-unity,” meaning “three in one.” The word Trinity doesn’t appear in the Bible, but God’s existence as three Persons in one God is clear from Scripture.

Unless you're MORMON; then it gets a wee bit confusing...


 

Trinity:

 

found in the Book of MORMON        -----------   rejected in the Doctrines and Covenants 

Book of Mormon:

Now Zeezrom said: Is there more than one God? And he answered, No. (Alma 11:28-29)

...and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil. (Alma 11:44)

...doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen. (2 Nephi 31:21)

...praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end. (Mormon 7:7)

...power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son--And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth. And thus the flesh becoming subject to the Spirit, or the Son to the Father, being one God, (Mosiah 15:3-5)

...of Jared, that whoso should possess this land of promise, from that time henceforth and forever, should serve him, the true and only God, or they should be swept off when the fulness of his wrath should come upon them. (Ether 2:8)


"Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are. I was with the Father from the beginning. I am in the Father, and the Father in me; and in me hath the Father glorified his name." (3 Nephi 9:15)


"And again the Lord called others, and said unto them likewise; and he gave unto them power to baptize. And he said unto them: On this wise shall ye baptize; and there shall be no disputations among you. Verily I say unto you, that whoso repenteth of his sins through your words and desireth to be baptized in my name, on this wise shall ye baptize them--Behold, ye shall go down and stand in the water, and in my name shall ye baptize them. And now behold, these are the words which ye shall say, calling them by name, saying: Having authority given me of Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen. And then shall ye immerse them in the water, and come forth again out of the water. And after this manner shall ye baptize in my name; for behold, verily I say unto you, that the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost are one; and I am in the Father, and the Father in me, and the Father and I are one...And thus will the Father bear record of me, and the Holy Ghost will bear record unto him of the Father and me; for the Father, and I, and the Holy Ghost are one." (3 Nephi 11:22-27, 36)

Doctrine and Covenants:

According to that which was ordained in the midst of the Council of the Eternal God of all other gods before this world was, that should be reserved unto the finishing and the end thereof, when every man shall enter into his eternal presence and into his immortal rest. (Section 121:32)

And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that covenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God. And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them--Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths--then shall it be written in the Lamb's Book of Life, that he shall commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever. Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them. (Section 132:18-20)

Abraham received concubines, and they bore him children; and it was accounted unto him for righteousness, because they were given unto him, and he abode in my law; as Isaac also and Jacob did none other things than that which they were commanded; and because they did none other things than that which they were commanded, they have entered into their exaltation, according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, and are not angels but are gods. (Section 132:37)

 

 

13 posted on 02/06/2017 2:55:33 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
Unless you're MORMON...

Or...



 By far the three largest nontrinitarian Christian denominations are The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints ("Mormons"), Jehovah's Witnesses and the Iglesia Ni Cristo, though there are a number of other smaller ones, including the Christadelphians, Christian Scientists, Dawn Bible Students, Living Church of God, Oneness Pentecostals, Members Church of God International, Unitarian Universalist Christians, The Way International, The Church of God International and the United Church of God.[6]
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontrinitarianism

14 posted on 02/06/2017 2:58:23 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums
Here's the argument...
 
And here is the bottom line:
 
 

John 6:28-29

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

 

15 posted on 02/06/2017 3:01:30 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums; Ezekiel
Some verses that support the Triune nature of God.

Matthew 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Romans 8:9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.

1 Corinthians 12:4-6 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone.

Ephesians 4:4-6 There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call— one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

16 posted on 02/06/2017 4:19:47 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
And the biggie...


1 John 5:7
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

17 posted on 02/06/2017 8:49:51 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom; cyn; amorphous
Some verses that support the Triune nature of God....

And none of those texts (as well as the miriad of others that are always lined up in defense) state that God is a trinity. It's an inferred doctrine. The text doesn't say it; it's inferred by the scholars and their pupils, just as the religious experts and their followers in the NT had wrongly inferred that "only God" can forgive sins, or that "son of God" has the same meaning as "God".

Back to Moses for a second. The burning bush must have been a crazy site to behold. If a reader believes the Torah, then that bush is simply what is plainly stated in the text, a bush that burned but not consumed. What was Moses' reaction? To go up and see this great site, why the bush was not burnt. What he didn't do was theorize, or set up a ticket kiosk.

Exodus 3:1-5

1 Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb.
2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.
4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.
5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.

And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him
And
when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him

There is no shortage of established "proof texts" for the trinity. It is a real mountain of evidence that still needs to be 'taken on faith', dropped into the writings right and left as if it's a fact that everybody "knows". Settled doctrine. It's the classic pattern of overwhelming the system with a false defacto reality not in accordance with truth, which is why it needs to be slipped in anywhere and everywhere in the first place. TV programming, same thing.

Without the programming that obscures what is as obvious as a burning bush, the texts that "prove" the trinity are anything but. The conversations are simply what they are. Jesus's attempts at correction fell on deaf ears. And that's in the plain text as well - what Isaiah said. Hearing they won't hear...

Here's an example for anyone willing to be observant like Moses:

Matthew 9; Mark 2; Luke 5

Jesus tells a man with palsy that his sins are forgiven. The experts hear it and infer that Jesus was blaspheming. Because, well..."everybody knows" that only God can forgive sins. Kind of hard to miss the look on their faces [that indicated their thoughts].

Therefore, Jesus proposes a question: what's easier to say, "Your sins are forgiven", or to say, "Arise and walk?

Now if a man were lying about his abilities, it's easy to say something that can't be proven, like "Your sins are forgiven". So what, anyone could say that and make a claim. In contrast, a liar would not dare to lie about something that is easily proven, like saying to a man with palsy, "Arise and walk". That's not easy to say, because it can shown right then and there if he were lying, or not.

Which then leads to:

Matthew

6 But that ye may know that the Son of man [ben adam = human being] hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.
7 And he arose, and departed to his house.
8 But when the multitudes saw it, they marvelled, and glorified God, which had given such power unto men.

The multitudes obviously got the message. If Jesus could be truthful in what is difficult for a man to say (because any liar would be immediately outed), then he could surely be truthful in what is easier to say; that is, that he can forgive sins.

Thus the memo to the experts: reorder your thinking because your premise is wrong.

Yet the modern religious establishment (just like the one Jesus was dealing with) takes it and says "Look, here's proof he's God, because only God can forgive sins! The scribes said so! It's right here in the text! The scribes! These are the very guys who spend all day every day copying the texts! They of all people know what's in there!"

It all depends on whom one chooses to believe..

History repeats. The irony is thick and time is short. Religious we-take-the Bible-literally conservatives can discern the face of the lying media with all of its propaganda tactics, but can't discern the signs of the times. And the signs of the times are way more literal than people know. Why just last night, there was that Super Bowl scoreboard sign with the countdown clock timer. It [seemingly] indicated that the Patriots were going down hard. But that's not what happened.

The multitudes recognized the parallel to the election - the trump, everything turning on the proverbial dime to the contrary. I'll even propose that like Donald Trump, the Patriots won because the anti-Trump forces were eager to curse and gloat over a loss, to "show" that Brady fellow. If we could see an angel of the Lord on the field, he'd be the one sticking his foot out at just the right moment to trip up the smug opposition.

The forgiving of sins example I gave should be enough to jolt a few folks out of their naps, because they would then know to investigate what else is in there that makes plain sense (but you'd never know if from the set doctrines and walls of books "proving" them). The comotose, however, are good with what they think they know, like the sports and political pundits.

The Messiah could be walking around right now, doing what he knows, healing people, and demonstrating by his love and compassion and character how it is supposed to work, minus the religious knowledge so-called, and noone would recognize him, because he's not whom people are expecting. Just like the Cubs' win; just like the Trump win; Just like the Patriots win. Yet there is it. There HE is.

What all this *bizarre* winning is saying is, "Prepare for a major paradigm shift very soon."

Matthew 3

1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

18 posted on 02/06/2017 10:20:24 AM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn(ed!) the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: Ezekiel

“site”, ugh... well nothing is by accident. :)


19 posted on 02/06/2017 10:29:51 AM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn(ed!) the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: Ezekiel

What is your understanding of John 1:1-18?

1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ...

1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. ...

1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.


20 posted on 02/06/2017 10:39:43 AM PST by kosciusko51
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