Posted on 01/02/2017 4:25:11 AM PST by BlessedBeGod
...If the Church were to change its rules on shared Eucharistic Communion it would “go against Revelation and the Magisterium”, leading Christians to “commit blasphemy and sacrilege,” an Italian theologian has warned.
Drawing on the Church’s teaching based on Sacred Scripture and Tradition, Msgr. Nicola Bux, a former consulter to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, stressed that non-Catholic Christians must have undertaken baptism and confirmation in the Catholic Church, and repented of grave sin through sacramental confession, in order to be able to receive Jesus in the Eucharist.
Msgr. Bux was responding to the Register about concerns that elements of the current pontificate might be sympathetic of a form of “open Communion” proposed by the German Protestant theologian, Jürgen Moltmann.
The concerns have arisen primarily due to the Holy Father’s own comments on Holy Communion and Lutherans, his apparent support for some remarried divorcees to receive Holy Communion, and how others have used his frequently repeated maxim about the Eucharist: that it is “not a prize for the perfect, but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak.”
The debate specifically over intercommunion with Christian denominations follows recent remarks by Cardinal Walter Kasper who, in a Dec. 10 interview with Avvenire, said he hopes Pope Francis’ next declaration will open the way for intercommunion with other denominations “in special cases.”
The German theologian said shared Eucharistic communion is just a matter of time, and that the Pope’s recent participation in the Reformation commemoration in Lund has given “a new thrust” to the “ecumenical process.”
Pope Francis has often expressed his admiration for Cardinal Kasper’s theology whose thinking has significantly influenced…the priorities of this pontificate, particularly on the Eucharist.
For Moltmann, Holy Communion is “the Lord's supper, not something organized by a church or a denomination”...
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And counting!
PLEASE tell me you don’t like durian!!!
I’ve heard it smells like a dead body left in the sun for a week. True? I can’t even imagine what it might taste like.
More like two weeks. 😄 It actually doesn't taste too bad, but it is hard to get past the smell. To me, however, balut and dinuguan are even more grotesque.
I was in the boonies for New Years. They killed a pig, and made dinuguan. I always gracefully refuse.
Yuk! I don’t think I could ever be a “gourmet”.
I could go on, but I think you get the message. 😀😆
That is another example of your ignorance, and reliance upon the propaganda of other ignoramuses. If you cared to examine the context of such statements provided by specious quote miners, then see here for a great list of them, and or search like this for your quote.
If you had, rather than looking foolish, you could have seen that rather than Luther progressing from believing that the church of Rome is the one true church in faith and in deed, instead, this quote is part of an argument against that very premise, though that conviction did grow in depth (and unlike cults, Luther did not hold that the church went into total apostasy after the death of the apostles) .
The context of Luther's affirmation is as regards externals, as seen by what he said going into your quote:
Reason and human wisdom cannot furnish the necessary qualifications for the true Church. The actual test is in ascertaining who have the real knowledge of Christ and who have it not. Judgment cannot be passed in this case according to mere external appearance and name, according to the office and authority and power of the Church; in all these externals the Jews excelled the apostles and the papacy excels us by far. 28. Accordingly... , we concede to the papacy.... with the rest of your quote following.
"Accordingly" means that the external claims for Rome no more validate Rome as truly having "the real knowledge of Christ" any more than it did the Jews (if being the historical corporate instruments and visible magisterial stewards of Divine Truth meant ensured infallibility, as Rome presumes, then 1st century souls should not have followed itinerant preachers whom were rejected by said magisterium). Thus Luther proceeds to says,
3o. It is necessary to a thorough understanding of the matter that we understand what Christ here says concerning the two Churches: One is the Church which is not recognized by the world, but is robbed of its name and exiled; the other, the Church that has the name and honor but persecutes the small flock of believers. Thus we have the opposing situations: The Church which is denied the name is the true Church, whilst the other is not the reality, though it may occupy the seat of authority and power, and possess and perform all the offices conceded to be offices and marks of the holy Church and yet we are obliged to suffer its ban and judgment...
39. From these two convictions--that they do not know him and that they persecute and slay his advocates--Christ now passes the judgment that the so-called Church is not the Church. He then concludes that with their false doctrines and persecutions they are both liars and murderers of God and of Christ and of all his saints.
40. From the analysis given, you may decide for yourself in which group you are to be found; for you must be on one side or the other, and it is useless to wait for human council in this matter. It has already been unalterably determined that the two divisions can never agree. The larger body, which has the recognized authority, will always persecute the minority, even to the extent of excommunication and murder, as practiced from the beginning. Those who know Christ--the true Christians--will accept Christ's classification and be numbered with the minority, who have the Word and the knowledge of Christ, and they will suffer persecution for the faith rather than, for the sake of the friendship and honor of this world, to belong to those who, condemned by Christ, are the bitterest foes of God and of the Church, and who cannot see the kingdom of God, nor be saved. More .
So much for your deluded idea of progression from 1522 to calling Rome out as anti-Christ.
Moreover, in 1520Dr. Luther penned:
...the majority of those who hold so strongly to the authority of the pope, and lean upon it, are themselves possessed by the powers of hell and are full of sins and rascality...Now the greater part of the Roman communion, and even some of the popes themselves, have forsaken the faith wantonly and without struggle, and live under the power of Satan, as is plainly to be seen, and thus the papacy often has been under the dominion of the gates of hell...Unless they will abolish their laws and ordinances, and restore to Christ’s churches their liberty and have it taught among them, they are guilty of all the souls that perish under this miserable captivity, and the papacy is truly the kingdom of Babylon and of the very Antichrist. For who is “the man of sin” and “the son of perdition” [II Thess. 2:3] but he who with his doctrines and his laws increases the sins and perdition of souls in the church, while sitting in the church as if he were God? [II Thess. 2:4 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] ]. All this the papal tyranny has fulfilled, and more than fulfilled, these many centuries.
In addition, by about 1520 Luther had already concluded (after reading Valla's Discourse, refutation of the authenticity of the forgery the "Donation of Constantine;" )
I am greatly tormented, I do not even doubt that the pope is properly the Antichrist, that even the whole world's popular opinion expects; everything which he does, lives, speaks, and declares fits perfectly." - http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2010/10/shape-of-things-to-come.html
In addition, progression towards seeing the papacy as anti-Christ is not a mark of demon possession (some RCs even think Francis is the AC) but it was warranted conclusion by Reformers. As is that your desperation has further marginalized you.
That is absurd and idiotic, if not inexcusable ignorance. .Most evangelicals never knew anything Luther said when they became born again, and even today are more ignorant of him then you are.
Instead, they came to Christ like as 1st c. souls did, following One who was rejected by proto Catholics, whom presumed their heritage meant they could not be wrong when faced with Truth claims being established upon Scriptural substantiation in word and in power.
That is another example of your ignorance, and reliance upon the propaganda of other ignoramuses. If you cared to examine the context of such statements provided by specious quote miners, then see here for a great list of them, and or search like this for your quote.
If you had, rather than looking foolish, you could have seen that rather than Luther progressing from believing that the church of Rome is the one true church in faith and in deed, instead, this quote is part of an argument against that very premise, though that conviction did grow in depth (and unlike cults, Luther did not hold that the church went into total apostasy after the death of the apostles) .
The context of Luther's affirmation is as regards externals, as seen by what he said going into your quote:
Reason and human wisdom cannot furnish the necessary qualifications for the true Church. The actual test is in ascertaining who have the real knowledge of Christ and who have it not. Judgment cannot be passed in this case according to mere external appearance and name, according to the office and authority and power of the Church; in all these externals the Jews excelled the apostles and the papacy excels us by far. 28. Accordingly... , we concede to the papacy.... with the rest of your quote following.
"Accordingly" means that the external claims for Rome no more validate Rome as truly having "the real knowledge of Christ" any more than it did the Jews (if being the historical corporate instruments and visible magisterial stewards of Divine Truth meant ensured infallibility, as Rome presumes, then 1st century souls should not have followed itinerant preachers whom were rejected by said magisterium). Thus Luther proceeds to says,
3o. It is necessary to a thorough understanding of the matter that we understand what Christ here says concerning the two Churches: One is the Church which is not recognized by the world, but is robbed of its name and exiled; the other, the Church that has the name and honor but persecutes the small flock of believers. Thus we have the opposing situations: The Church which is denied the name is the true Church, whilst the other is not the reality, though it may occupy the seat of authority and power, and possess and perform all the offices conceded to be offices and marks of the holy Church and yet we are obliged to suffer its ban and judgment...
39. From these two convictions--that they do not know him and that they persecute and slay his advocates--Christ now passes the judgment that the so-called Church is not the Church. He then concludes that with their false doctrines and persecutions they are both liars and murderers of God and of Christ and of all his saints.
40. From the analysis given, you may decide for yourself in which group you are to be found; for you must be on one side or the other, and it is useless to wait for human council in this matter. It has already been unalterably determined that the two divisions can never agree. The larger body, which has the recognized authority, will always persecute the minority, even to the extent of excommunication and murder, as practiced from the beginning. Those who know Christ--the true Christians--will accept Christ's classification and be numbered with the minority, who have the Word and the knowledge of Christ, and they will suffer persecution for the faith rather than, for the sake of the friendship and honor of this world, to belong to those who, condemned by Christ, are the bitterest foes of God and of the Church, and who cannot see the kingdom of God, nor be saved.
So much for your deluded idea of progression from 1522 to calling Rome out as anti-Christ.
Moreover, in 1520Dr. Luther penned:
...the majority of those who hold so strongly to the authority of the pope, and lean upon it, are themselves possessed by the powers of hell and are full of sins and rascality...Now the greater part of the Roman communion, and even some of the popes themselves, have forsaken the faith wantonly and without struggle, and live under the power of Satan, as is plainly to be seen, and thus the papacy often has been under the dominion of the gates of hell...Unless they will abolish their laws and ordinances, and restore to Christ’s churches their liberty and have it taught among them, they are guilty of all the souls that perish under this miserable captivity, and the papacy is truly the kingdom of Babylon and of the very Antichrist. For who is “the man of sin” and “the son of perdition” [II Thess. 2:3] but he who with his doctrines and his laws increases the sins and perdition of souls in the church, while sitting in the church as if he were God? [II Thess. 2:4 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] ]. All this the papal tyranny has fulfilled, and more than fulfilled, these many centuries.
In addition, by about 1520 Luther had already concluded (after reading Valla's Discourse, refutation of the authenticity of the forgery the "Donation of Constantine;" )
I am greatly tormented, I do not even doubt that the pope is properly the Antichrist, that even the whole world's popular opinion expects; everything which he does, lives, speaks, and declares fits perfectly." - http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2010/10/shape-of-things-to-come.html
In addition, progression towards seeing the papacy as anti-Christ is not a mark of demon possession (some RCs even think Francis is the AC) but it was warranted conclusion by Reformers. As is that your desperation has further marginalized you.
May they bless God and others.
Nota Bene: I don’t read posts over 500 words. You can ping that to your posse.
Not only do I not know what Luther preached and taught,
I. DON’T. CARE.
Luther’s opinion on matters means nothing to me because I don’t follow the man and I don’t want to follow the man. It is not relevant to me and has no bearing on how I live my Christian life.
The only thing that I’m concerned about is the Truth of God as revealed in Scripture by the Holy Spirit.
” Instead, they came to Christ ...”
Then just as men said to the apostles, “We didn’t even know there was a Holy Spirit.”, so today a Christian can ask, “We didn’t even know the church is one and that there is authority and seven sacraments and centuries upon centuries of unified, unchanging truth in the church. We didn’t know that there are scores and scores of angels, martyrs and saints to assist me in my walk with Jesus Christ.”
A brother errs, wanders from Rome's teachings...
FIXED
Yup; but NOW we have the Words of Mary to guide and protect us...
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