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Christ's Deity Defended
Grace to You.org ^ | 1997 | John MacArthur, Grace Community Church

Posted on 12/03/2016 3:46:07 PM PST by metmom

“[Christ] existed in the form of God” (Philippians 2:6).

Scripture makes clear that Christ is God.

The deity of Christ is the heart of the Christian faith. Inevitably when people attack the Christian faith, they attack the deity of Christ. Scripture makes clear, however, that such attacks are unfounded. The apostle John said, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” (John 1:1). Under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, he began his Gospel by affirming the deity of Christ. John further declared Christ’s deity when he wrote, “All things came into being through [Christ], and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life; and the life was the light of men” (vv. 3-4). In John 8:58 Jesus said, “Before Abraham was born, I AM.” Jesus appropriated to Himself the name of God, who said, “I AM WHO I AM” (Ex. 3:14).

In Colossians 1:15-17 the apostle Paul wrote of Christ’s deity: “He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.” Christ is God, the Creator. The writer of Hebrews says, “[Christ] is the radiance of [God’s] glory and the exact representation of His nature” (1:3). Christianity begins with the recognition that Jesus Christ is in essence the eternal God.

Whenever someone confronts you by attacking the deity of Christ, be sure to defend the faith, “holding fast the faithful word which is in accordance with the teaching” (Titus 1:9).

Suggestions for Prayer

At the core of defending God’s Word is an accurate interpretation of Scripture. Ask Him to help you interpret His Word accurately (see 2 Tim. 2:15).

For Further Study

John 1:1 says, “In the beginning was the Word,” which undoubtedly reminded John’s readers of Genesis 1:1: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” What do the following verses demonstrate about Christ: 1 Corinthians 8:6; Ephesians 3:19; Hebrews 1:1-2?


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To: Zuriel; Elsie

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Yeshua, incarnate in a human body had to be made “a little lower than the angels” so that he could die for his sheep.

His spirit was still that of Elohim, but prior to his resurrection that human body had limitations.

That is why the Father did the works while he was here on Earth.


41 posted on 12/04/2016 11:02:29 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Zuriel

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I don’t use “Trinity logic.”

The trinity is a man made idea that fails to conform to many things we find in the word.
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42 posted on 12/04/2016 11:05:46 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
All I am saying is that Jesus does not have to be God for God to have given him all the power and authority necessary to grant us salvation.

And perhaps God later gave authority to Mohammed to be the chief prophet instead of Jesus...

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Clearly this is Jesus speaking...Are David and we Christians the sons of God, or the sons of the Son of God??? Jesus is speaking as Jesus, and he is also speaking as God...

43 posted on 12/04/2016 11:23:36 AM PST by Iscool
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To: editor-surveyor

Everything divine, found in the Son, is the power of the Father, who the Son of God witnessed to be “the only true God”.


44 posted on 12/04/2016 5:01:27 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: Mr. M.J.B.

I don’t buy it. Angels are not co-equal with God. They have no creative power but were created beings themselves. You certainly have the freedom to reject the Deity of Jesus but you will not be successful convincing those who know Him and to whom the Holy Spirit has revealed this truth to our hearts. The “royal we” is a ridiculous explanation.


45 posted on 12/04/2016 5:54:13 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Mr. M.J.B.
"Do you think some Christians somewhere just made up the whole doctrine..."

>>> That's exactly what happened and rather late in the game.

"It was taught from the very start of Christianity and has always been believed."

>>> Not so. From my earlier post:
Bear in mind, there is no mystery as to the origins of the Trinity, nor is there any secret for how this aberrant doctrine emerged. The doctrine of the Trinity was forged out of the crucible of the Catholic Church long after the Christian century. It is, therefore, no wonder that this pagan doctrine was unknown to authors of the New Testament. Church history reveals that it was not until three hundred years after the birth of Christianity that the doctrine of the Bianity (325 C.E.) and Trinity (381 C.E.) received formal approval in the Christian community. These well documented events occurred under circumstances rife with contention, political agitation, and radical dissension in the early Church.

The trinity is entirely MAN made, and not from God. You shall have no other gods before me - That's from God.

That the Council of Nicea in the fourth century formally defined the doctrine of the Trinity, does not mean it didn't exists until then. The Deity of Jesus Christ was established by Jesus himself, it was taught in the Old Testament Scriptures and expounded upon in the writings that make up the New Testament. There is no reason why Christians would have invented such a doctrine centuries later about such a critical point of the very nature of Jesus Christ! The Nicean Council was assembled to dispute the heresies propagated by false teachers like the Gnostics and those who rejected that Jesus even HAD a physical body. Their lies were exposed as false by the writings of the Apostles who wrote as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

You read these verses here: http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-The-Trinity/

46 posted on 12/04/2016 6:11:21 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Zuriel
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Simply nonsense from your own imagination.

A total denial of John 1:1

Yeshua and the father are parts of the whole .

John 14:

[1] Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
[2] In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
[3] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
[4] And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
[5] Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
[6] Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
[7] If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
[8] Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
[9] Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
[10] Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
[11] Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.
[12] Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
[13] And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
[14] If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
[15] If ye love me, keep my commandments.
[16] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
[17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
[18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
[19] Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
[20] At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
[21] He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
[22] Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
[23] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
[24] He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
[25] These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
[26] But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
[27] Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
[28] Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
[29] And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
[30] Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
[31] But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.

47 posted on 12/04/2016 6:17:28 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Is the Son of God the original source of the words that he spoke? Or is he the messenger of the invisible God, like the scriptures say that he is?

Man is constantly showing his creativity with his inventions. How long before a robot shows the ability to display it’s owner’s very mind, even artificial pain? The Son displayed the invisible Father perfectly, even denying his own will in the process.

That is why the scriptures call him the Son of God, and not God the Son.


48 posted on 12/05/2016 6:56:57 AM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: boatbums

No one equated angels with HaShem.

The language HaShem used to create the universe is not “ridiculous.” Jewish and Christian scholars (those with Hebrew knowledge) agree on the grammar and meaning.

What IS ridiculous is perverting the Torah to “prove” MAN-made doctrine thousands of years later, doctrine so obviously wrong, the best proponents can say is it is an “eternal mystery” and are left forever claiming the TRIinity is MONOtheistic.

HaShem is ONE.


49 posted on 12/05/2016 9:12:52 AM PST by Mr. M.J.B.
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To: boatbums

Read the quote: “radical dissension” - that doesn’t come about from codifying common practice.


50 posted on 12/05/2016 9:22:01 AM PST by Mr. M.J.B.
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To: TexasFreeper2009
If Christ was given authority by God to forgiven sins and pronounce judgement, does it really matter if he is God or not? either way our actions needed to be saved are exactly the same.

If you don't know Him, you have a problem. There are no actions involved it's is belief.

John 17: 3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

51 posted on 12/05/2016 9:24:10 AM PST by DungeonMaster (Rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft.)
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To: Zuriel

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The scriptures do call him God the son, that is exactly what Yehoshua means properly translated.

You’re all tangled in sloppy Greek and English translations done by people that had little to no understanding of the original Hebrew language and culture.

As Paul stated, the oracles of Yehova are given in the language of Judah.


52 posted on 12/05/2016 4:30:10 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Mr. M.J.B.

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>> “HaShem is ONE.” <<

Yehova is one! (The Father, the Son, and their spirit)

Trinity is what bubbles up when you try to stir Roman paganism together with the faith Yeshua preached. (which was pure Torah & prophets)
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53 posted on 12/05/2016 4:37:44 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Mr. M.J.B.

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist —denying the Father and the Son.
 
1 John 4:3
but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist , which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
 
2 John 1:7
I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist .
 


54 posted on 12/05/2016 5:01:21 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: editor-surveyor

The name, Yehoshua, does not prove the Son, to be God, separate and distinct from the Father. Quite the opposite. It shows the Son to be telling the truth, in John chapter 14, about his relationship with the Father.

So you don’t believe that the Father is literally IN Christ reconciling the world unto himself?

Are you trying to isolate the Son from the Father? (separate, isolate, pretty much the same goal.....confuse people about Almighty God). Probably not intentionally. But that certainly is one of the goals of the enemy.

By giving the Son the credit for being the Word, the Savior, and the Creator, separate and distinct, from the Father, you are practically putting the Father out the back door, imo.

God is not a man. God is a Spirit (Jn 3:24,25)


55 posted on 12/05/2016 6:27:06 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: Zuriel

You are mistaken.

The name states that it is Elohim that does the saving, not some stand in.
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56 posted on 12/06/2016 7:55:04 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: boatbums

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If they reject it, they won’t get it!

There comes a time to shake the dust off.
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57 posted on 12/06/2016 7:58:15 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Zuriel
Jesus dealt with this issue (as recorded in John 14). When asked by Philip to just show the disciples the Father Almighty, Jesus gave them a Physics lesson: 'All you can see of the Father is what you see in Me, for I Am in the Father and the Father is in me.'

How is that a simplified Physics lesson? ... Well, since God The Father Almighty is so much more, dimensionally, than our three variables of Space and one variable of Time, the only place we limited beings can sense God directly is where He intersecats our limits, and that Is Jesus. A being having only two variables of Space cannot directly sense a thing having three variables of Space 'except where the three intersects the two' ... it's all about limits.

58 posted on 12/06/2016 8:05:35 AM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for spiritual discernment)
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To: Mr. M.J.B.

Pingaling


59 posted on 12/06/2016 8:18:54 AM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for spiritual discernment)
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To: MHGinTN

Spend 20 minutes with a Tanach expert (and Christian text expert).

“Did Jesus Actually Exist? Rabbi Tovia Singer’s Evidence and Conclusion will Surprise You.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCgW6aeeNQI


60 posted on 12/06/2016 7:39:37 PM PST by Mr. M.J.B.
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