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It is you who have made the error. Think about this: it is The Holy Spirit Who woos the unsaved and by responding to His calling we find The Grace of God in Christ. Denying the calls of the Holy Spirit leaves you irreconcilably lost. How many hear the still small voice and scoff at it as a childish conscience, a bad bit of meat at dinner, or a gut churning in need of an antacid? How many haughtily reject the still small voice when they are shown their error in the religious institutionalization which has captured their soul? How many reject so much of what GOD tells us in The Word, so they can continue to believe they eat the Word Made Flesh Who dwelt among us? How many reject The Holy Spirit wooing because the devil on their shoulder tells them it doesn't include something they must do over and over, daily, to be worthy of God's Grace in Christ.

Read 1 Cor 5:3-5 ... the one doing wickedness was to be put out of the fellowship SO THAT his flesh could be taken by satan yet his soul remain saved.

It’s amazing that some Catholics do believe.

It’s amazing that some PROTESTANTS do believe, too!

If it weren’t for God maneuvering to meet us where we need Him most, it wouldn’t happen at all in any church... shoot, we wouldn’t even have churches.

God’s grace is amazing.

We have church discipline issues, but nothing that can rise above the grace of God.

I’m trying to make a sharp distinction between humans’ theology and God’s salvations. When God wills a salvation, it happens.

cloudy may be one of the elect, or may not be. We aren’t God and don’t have that kind of vision. From separate expressions of cloudy, I think it’s possible. But that’s just me.

We can have an issue like that of Lazarus. He was clearly revived. But he was also all wrapped in grave clothes, which Jesus told the onlookers to unwrap.

I’m trying to take a grace approach here, which might not be entirely pleasing to any party. But letting God do the damning of people at the right time... concluding that they willingly lost themselves in the world... seems a winning strategy to me. Then I don’t have to do it, and get egg on my face if/because I was wrong.