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To: HiTech RedNeck
Suppose a lot of this “more difficult stuff” is in fact self effort that comes to vanity?

So, Jesus' fasting the in the desert for forty days is in fact "self-effort" that comes to vanity?
His passion/suffering [The true meaning of passion is SUFFERING.] is in fact "self effort" that comes to vanity?

If you knew ANYTHING about Him and Catholicism you would KNOW that suffering IS part of the human experience.

Check it out, if you dare!
http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/08/a-catholic-reflection-on-the-meaning-of-suffering/

How else do we pay for our sins? Or don't you believe that we DO have to pay for our sins?

244 posted on 12/01/2016 11:51:42 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

Jesus never erred.

Doing something that is ostensibly the right thing, for the wrong reason... is worse than abstaining from doing it.


248 posted on 12/01/2016 11:56:28 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: cloudmountain; HiTech RedNeck
How else do we pay for our sins? Or don't you believe that we DO have to pay for our sins?

Of course WE don't pay for our sins because we CAN"T pay for our sins.

If we could, Jesus didn't need to die.

Yes, suffering is part of the human experience but that is only because it's part of the fall.

It's not because God gave it to us as a means of atonement by which we can pay off our sin against God.

291 posted on 12/01/2016 4:06:19 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: cloudmountain
How else do we pay for our sins? Or don't you believe that we DO have to pay for our sins?

12but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD,

13waiting from that time onward UNTIL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE A FOOTSTOOL FOR HIS FEET.

14For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified. Hebrews 10:12-14 NASB

294 posted on 12/01/2016 4:21:53 PM PST by ealgeone
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