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To: G Larry
Actually Christ is quite clear on His meaning:

Actually you mean you have no argument except to post the words whose meaning are the very thing that are in dispute, which the rest of the NT, Acts onward, are interpretive of. And which do not support the neoliteralistic Catholic interpretation of Jn. 6 and the gospel accounts of the LS. Nor does the rest of John or elsewhere in Scripture, in which spiritual life is never obtained by literally physical eating anything.

Among the problems the Catholic has conflating the rest of Scripture with Jn. 6, if "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you," (John 6:53) is be understood literally as Caths invoked it, then since it is as much an absolute imperative as other "verily verily" statements, then it plainly means that no one who has not received as well as those who deny the "real presence" do have spiritual life in them.

Yet the NT church nowhere teaches that it is by receiving the Lord's supper that one obtains spiritual life in them, but which is believing the word of the gospel message of salvation, (Acts 10:43-47; 15:7-9; Eph. 1:13) and which conflates with the metaphorical interpretation expressed in the concluding statement, that "the flesh profits nothing. The words that I have spoken to you, are spirit and life." (v. 63)

Eating itself in Scripture does indeed profit nothing, for "meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse," (1 Corinthians 8:8) but as the gospel of John in particular teaches with its many metaphors, it is by believing that Jesus is the Christ, the "lamb" of God which takes away the sins of the world (Jn. 1:29) that one obtains spiritual life, receiving "living water" (Jn. 4) and becoming "born" from above, (Jn. 3) and a "temple" of the Holy Spirit, (cf. Jn. 2) and becomes a water "fountain." (Jn. 7)

And even modern Rome affirms Scripture-centric Prots as being born again.

In addition, the Lord said that font color="#5e11a6">"As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me." (John 6:57)

And how did Christ "live by the Father but how He said we should, "

" But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. (Matthew 4:4) "

And thus Jesus saith, "My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work." (John 4:34)

All of which alone conflates with believing the word of God which results in obtaining spiritual life, and then living by the God/Christ. To Him be glory now and forever. Amen.

As John said without mentioning the Lord's supper but by believing Jesus Christ was manifest in the flesh (which is contrary to the Catholic "looks/tastes/tests as a bread but it "really" is Jesus Christ):

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. (1 John 5:13)

227 posted on 12/01/2016 11:19:35 AM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212

Well, we have a lively theological discourse going on here.

I’d warn, however, please try not to let it get personal (unless someone is really, truly, being a jerk in which case a short, sharp rebuke is fitting).

Snap judgments do have a way of becoming unfastened. Something that is “common” in the Roman Catholic church is not necessarily “universal” among all worshipers there. In fact the individual action of Christ, so prized in Protestant circles, is also responsible for individually fixing a lot of the problems in many Roman Catholic churchgoers.

Crazy Evangelical that I am, I won’t stand up for official Roman Catholic theology as a whole, but I WILL stand up for Jesus and how He works past the gnarliest theological problems on a surprisingly frequent basis. Jesus makes all believers into “disciples” — learners, students. Teaches them how to do the spiritual math, which none can do till He shows them. And keeps it up for a lifetime.


228 posted on 12/01/2016 11:29:44 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: daniel1212

So, you continue in your denial of the plain meaning of the words of Christ?

Even Luther was appalled by those who denied the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist.


283 posted on 12/01/2016 3:43:02 PM PST by G Larry (America has the opportunity to return to God.)
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