Posted on 11/30/2016 2:41:47 PM PST by SeekAndFind
Then that disqualifies the *Catholic* interpretation as well.
Jesus said *I AM the vine*, I AM the door*, I AM the bread*.
He didn’t say He was speaking in symbols. He used the word *AM*.
So now you have to decide whether or not Jesus is made out of wood, flour, or plant matter.
Can’t even get the Pope to agree with “Catholic” teaching.
Then which version of the Catholic church is the ONE TRUE Church?
The Roman church or the Eastern Orthodox?
And where in scripture does God demand lockstep adherence to church doctrine. or tell us that lockstep agreement to church teaching is an indicator that that teaching is from God?
Did you EVER read Romans 14?
God allows for *disputable matters*. Why doesn't the Catholic church?
Details, details.......
call no man father
Was it the current pope, or another, who said Christians and Muslims worship the same God? What a ridiculous statement.
The same can easily be said of Catholicism, as not one of the early saints for the first 500-600 years upheld Roman Catholic theology as it exists today. Augustine, for example, was the true origin--at least secondary to the Bible--of Calvinist theology.
What guarantees do you have that Roman Catholic theology, as it exists today, is the absolute truth? It is not supported by the genuine tradition of the church throughout the centuries, so that leaves only the Holy Spirit and the innovations of the Magisterium that came hundreds upon hundreds of years later. In fact, the theology of Rome today is even different from what it was 50 or 60 years ago. Today the Pope is a heretic and will burn in hell when he dies, by Roman Catholic standards of less than a century ago. Then again, so was John Paul, as a result of his hob nobbing with Muslims and other infidels as equal believers.
Not only the Pope, but also the Catholic Catechism.
I guess I should have known that, but it has been ages since I left the Catholic Church, never to return, I might add.
It's strange that when I left the Catholic Church, my Catholic family essentially had a funeral for me, because they were spiritually dead. Later, two of my sisters got saved, and became Godly women. Needless to say, they left the Catholic Church too. Thank God for that.
Which further evidence of cognitive dissonance and or blindness in response to my m -a -n -y , m -a -n -y , m -a -n -y reproofs by the grace of God of your vain assertions further affirms that your attempted responses honestly belong to lowest level of wannbe Catholic apologetics, and hardly warrants further reproof, including to today's bombast. Bye again.
Yes, indeed it is!
Ya, So?
He also believes in AGW.
None of this was Ex Cathedra, so its only embarrassing.
We’ve had many flawed Popes in our history, yet the doctrine remains unstained.
I’m sure all those who share your beliefs are perfect?
cognitive dissonance = reading this and believe Christ is not referring to His Body an Blood.
Beginning with John 6:51:
“The bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.
The The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen, I say unto you: except you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.
He that eats my flesh and drinks my blood, hath everlasting life; and I will raise him up in the last day.
For my flesh is meat indeed and my blood is drink indeed.
He that eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me and I in him.
As the living Father has sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eats me the same also shall live by me.
This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eats this bread shall live forever.”
“Many therefore of his disciples, hearing it, said: This saying is hard,’ and who can hear it?
But Jesus, knowing in himself, that his disciples murmured at this, said to them: Doth this scandalize you?
If then you shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
It is the spirit that quickens: the flesh profits nothing. The words that I have spoken to you, are spirit and life.
But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning, who they were that did not believe, and who he was, that, would betray him
And he said: Therefore did I say to you, that no man can come to me, unless it be given him by my Father.
After this many of his disciples went back; and walked no more with him.
Then Jesus said to the twelve: Will you also go away?
But John 6 is NOT about the Last Supper.
Remember, you shouldn’t be attempting to drag in other references to try to disguise Christ’s plain meaning.
It is self-evident that *fruit of the vine* is WINE, NOT blood.
Your doctrine changes with the wind.
It's hardly *unstained* unless you have some really ingenious way of explaining the discrepancy of major points of doctrine between Rome and the EO, which you keep ignoring.
Actually, it’s the catechism.
Like a typical deceiver, you don’t include verse 29 where JESUS says what is in the cup is wine, and he won’t drink that again until in the Kingdom. Deceivers would have Christians believe JESUS will drink blood in the kingdom!
Gee, G Larry, I simply stated how it "seemed" to me and everything you and others on this thread assert - as well as other threads over the years - have yet to dispute that my "understanding" is correct.
Heck, I remember quoting verbatim Ephesians 2:8,9 to a Catholic priest family friend and he said, “That sounds Protestant to me.”! I’m not so sure even a priest could “interpret” what he may not even have heard before.
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