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1 posted on 11/25/2016 7:52:28 AM PST by Sam's Army
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Just what do “progressive Christians” have faith in? Identifying themselves with an oxymoron is something inspired by the prince of this world.


2 posted on 11/25/2016 7:54:32 AM PST by Olog-hai
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Progressive = abortion


3 posted on 11/25/2016 7:54:34 AM PST by cloudmountain
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"For example, Rachel Held Evans said,

We’re about to witness firsthand what happens when the established Church compromises its moral authority and sells out the marginalized ― refugees, immigrants, religious and ethnic minorities, sexual assault survivors, the sick and those with disabilities, and LGBT people ; for the promise of power. It won’t be pretty.”

Rev. Jacqueline Lewis, a New York-based pastor and activist added,

“I’m going to fight for people to have jobs, for everyone to have enough. I’m going to fight against racism and xenophobia. I’m going to fight for black lives. I’m going to fight for LGBT rights… I’m going to fight for love.”

Lewis added,

“Maybe what’s happening is progressive people of faith are finding ways to connect around our shared beliefs that all people are children of God … All of those people are joining together right now, we’re… plotting and planning how to resist together… to me is the new religion, the new Christianity.”

Benjamin Corey suggested that, “This election revealed that a far larger branch of Christianity has been married off to political power than we previously thought,” emphasizing that the religious right is more concerned with political power than the actual gospel of Christ.

Jim Wallis, founder of Sojourners and author of America’s Original Sin, claimed, “White Christians voted just like white people in America did, and being Christian didn’t matter much. So how do we teach white Christians, white evangelicals to be more Christian than white? That’s the issue going forward.”

Wallis – reflecting on Jesus’ counsel regarding the relationship between treating a ‘stranger’ and treating Jesus – suggested that pastors allow their churches to become sanctuaries to protect illegal aliens from deportation.

To an extent, there’s some truth about the concerns of progressive Christians. Corey’s observation regarding evangelicals having become too cozy with political power, which has muted the volume, consistency, and effectiveness of their prophetic political witness, is a legitimate concern.

But where’s the moral balance and condemnation of progressive Christians for having done the same? What about Episcopalians, Presbyterians (USA), a segment of Methodists, and other left-leaning Christians who’re guilty of preferring political power and cultural cache to the Christian gospel. Whether one agrees or disagrees, at least conservative evangelicals can be praised for attempting to clarify – or redeem – what it means to be an evangelical and have a responsible and biblically articulate political witness in the age of Donald Trump.

Moreover, why doesn’t the Christian Left (or Right) consistently condemn black Christians and black churches for sacrificing Christian principles in favor of political expediency and influence via an unholy marriage to Leftism and social progressive causes? This shifting standard of morality is but one issue that persistently undermines the Christian Left’s political witness.

Likewise, and echoing Wallis with a twist, can’t one say with moral clarity that “Black Christians voted just like black people in America did (especially in 2008 and 2012), and being Christian didn’t matter much. So how do we teach black Christians, black (progressive) evangelicals to be more Christian than black? Why isn’t that ever an issue going forward?” And it is an issue. Black Christians should be more Christian than black. One can and should argue that the covenantal relationship between black Christians and Leftism is much more challenging than the partnership between evangelicals and the political right.

However, there’s little truth to Evans’ suggestion that evangelicals who voted for Trump sold out “marginalized” groups for political power. How is she in a position to know the minds, hearts or reasoned intentions of voters who sided with Donald Trump? The charge is not only silly but it isn’t true. It’s meant to dismiss as evil fellow (white) Christians by projecting a social pox (sexist, racist, xenophobic, homophobic, etc.) upon those who voted against her preferred candidate. Framing it in a simple moral dichotomy that dismisses nuance, and that divorces Christian support for Trump from caring about “marginalized” groups allows Evans and her sympathizers to claim a superficial unmerited moral purity to dismiss everyone who disagrees with them as not only wrong, but immoral.

Voting for Trump, directly or indirectly, doesn’t mean the voter is against “marginalized” people and Evans knows this.

The same goes for Lewis’ virtue-signaling bravery as a social justice warrior. All of the sacralized issues she raised are supported or defended without Christian influence everyday, so what distinguishes her intentions, purportedly Christian, as being important or necessary? Her ‘new Christianity’ accommodates one-dimensional social identities that compete with the identity that’s required to be grounded in Christ. Lewis should be mindful of Paul’s admonition about teaching a ‘new’ gospel that differs from the one positioned in Christ.

The gospel of progressive Christians is increasingly more about the gospel of Leftism than the Gospel of Christ. Specifically, this social gospel – or social virtue – is really about disassociating oneself, or one’s group, from that which supposedly threatens the common good – what the in-group consensus simplistically defines as a myriad of trendy ‘evils’. It allows the separated to pretentiously claim a false sense of moral superiority over those who reject their definitions and moral claims.

Astute observers realize that this is more about being properly positioned and seen as against manufactured evils – how “moral” and “religious” they look to other like-minded people choosing ‘love’ over ‘hate’ – rather than genuine concern for the people/groups these “evils,” it’s claimed, negatively effect.

It’s self-congratulatory virtue vanity, it’s empty, and it violates Jesus’ admonition against practicing one’s righteousness before men instead of calling those they claim to represent to a higher standard of living as disciples of Christ.

This practice of synthesizing identity politics with Christianity is dangerous because of the popular and cultural influence afforded to the Christian Left.

If progressive Christians are really concerned about the future of their faith, they may want to consider what faith is really of concern – Leftism or Christianity."

4 posted on 11/25/2016 7:55:05 AM PST by Sam's Army
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“Take back their faith.”

What does that even mean?


5 posted on 11/25/2016 7:55:22 AM PST by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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Progressives are certainly a self-righteous group. They might want to consider a more desirable behavior for a Christian: Humility.


13 posted on 11/25/2016 8:01:56 AM PST by Twotone (Truth is hate to those who hate truth.)
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How can someone take away your “faith”?
You personally can lose faith, or give up, but NO ONE can take it from you.


14 posted on 11/25/2016 8:02:07 AM PST by Leep (Stronger without her!)
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they could buy a mirror and spend a long time looking into it


18 posted on 11/25/2016 8:05:12 AM PST by bigbob (We have better coverage than Verizon - Can You Hear Us Now?)
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You can be progressive or Christian but not both at the same time. Collectivism is a gloved fist with a spritz of gospel compassion.


20 posted on 11/25/2016 8:10:27 AM PST by lurk (TEat)
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“progressive Christians”

Is that like “Fake News” only “Fake Christians”?

“REAL” Christians believe that the bible is the infallible word of God.

God’s Word is spoken aloud by God the Father, Spoken aloud by Jesus Christ the Son, revealed by the Holy Spirit, the remainder inspired (God breathed) by God Himself.


22 posted on 11/25/2016 8:12:56 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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Well the FIRST thing they need to do is understand the meaning of the word "Faith".

Faith is an individual commodity vice a collective one.

"Ceterum censeo Islam esse delendam."

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

24 posted on 11/25/2016 8:23:35 AM PST by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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how can pro abortion, pro sodomy “christians” take back, what they never had?


25 posted on 11/25/2016 8:31:14 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (You can't spell Hillary without using the letters L, I, A, R)
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"All of those people are joining together right now, we’re… plotting and planning how to resist together… to me is the new religion, the new Christianity.”

Yeppers....that's the Progressives alright... Change..... Change everything about yourself.. your clothes, wear PJ's everywhere you go... Change your hair, purple maybe.. Your country and Constitution, socialism... Change your sex, be a girl or a boy like thing, if that's what you want... Change your bible, why you can even change your God... Surely Mother Earth will take care of all of us....

Take some advice....ANYTIME a suppositly man of God tells you that you must accept the LGBT as NORMAL and righteous tell THAT son to get the hell out of your church as quick as he (she) can find the door...!

MHO.......

27 posted on 11/25/2016 8:35:59 AM PST by unread (Joe McCarthy was right.......)
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Well, liberal elites took back the Senate, the House, most Governorships, and State Legislatures... Why not Christianity? /s
28 posted on 11/25/2016 8:36:15 AM PST by GOPJ ("Fear is a good thing. Fear is going to lead you to take action"...Steve Bannon 2010 interview.)
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Not much to take back


29 posted on 11/25/2016 8:40:48 AM PST by BRL
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“Progressive Christian” is an oxymoron, like “jumbo shrimp” and “moderate Islam”.


30 posted on 11/25/2016 8:58:11 AM PST by beethovenfan (I always try to maximize my carbon footprint.)
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progressive Christian?

Isn’t that an oxymoron?

A true Christian is NOT progressive (democrat)


31 posted on 11/25/2016 9:03:07 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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The ‘taking back’ is actually a call for them to redouble their efforts at destroying Christianity and erecting a secular humanist religion in the image of ‘progressivism’ == “long live marx, engels, lenin & stalin.”


32 posted on 11/25/2016 9:03:41 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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There is no such animal as progressive Christianity. You are either a follower of Christ or you are not. Making up your own Jesus is idol worship. When someone carves a stick and worships it, he has made up a deity in his head and makes it god. There is the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob, and Satan. There is no others. If you can't accept what Jesus has offered, you are lost forever. If you think Jesus would bless chopping babies up for cash, you have "missed the mark", as they say. If you think God changed His mind after Sodom and Gomorrah, you read a different Bible than I do. If you use politics to decide what God thinks, you don't understand the relationship. Jesus said,( in red writing), that you must hate your mother and father and a half dozen others to be worthy to follow Him. Of course He doesn't want you to hate anyone, but what He is saying is NOTHING should come between you and Him, even family. If you put politics ahead of Him, you cannot be His. He will tell you, I never knew you! There are many verses that prophesy these things in the Last Days.

Isa 4:1 speaks of this.

Isa 4:1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, "We will eat our own food and wear our own apparel; Only let us be called by your name, To take away our reproach." In that day= last days. 7 women= women are churches 7= Christian churches. take hold of one man= Jesus. We will eat our own food= make up our own doctrine. And wear our own apparel= garments are righteousness and our righteousness is as filthy rags before God. Let us be called by your name to take away our reproach= I want to be called Christian, even though I call evil good, and good evil, being called Christian is catchier that being called the church of Satan or follower of Babylon.

If Jesus is King of Kings, following a political dogma over Christ won't work. Don't "imagine" what Jesus would do, but do what Jesus would do. Listening to false teachers will get you into hell.

33 posted on 11/25/2016 9:29:35 AM PST by chuckles
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They don’t have to take anything back, just start a new Denomination and denominate it Progressive Christianity. Literally dozens of people will rush to join and proclaim their faith in the Process.


34 posted on 11/25/2016 10:03:13 AM PST by arthurus (One should not bank on the Democrats' inability to "find" any number of "uncounted" votes)
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Title could also read as

‘anti-Christ minions saddened by election results’


35 posted on 11/25/2016 10:33:57 AM PST by captmar-vell
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