Posted on 10/02/2016 11:40:45 AM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
When the Rapture of the Church finally takes place - in which Almighty God the Son calls out His body (saints and ambassadors) - it (The Rapture) will be a wondrous sign unto the apostate western world more so than a sign unto the whole world. For all had better be prepared, for Almighty God's "Day of Wrath" is now at hand (2 Thess. 2:3-12)!
The official commencement of this horrific seven year period will be the breaking of the 1st seal (i.e., the "Confirming of the Covenant" - Dan. 9:27) by Almighty God’s Lamb (i.e., The Lord Jesus Christ) in Heaven (Rev. 6:1). It is at this precise moment that the man of lawlessness (i.e., the anti-Christ) will be revealed unto the entire world (Dan. 9:27, 2 Thess. 2: 3-12). This revealing of the Anti-Christ and the commencement of this seven year tribulation period will begin when this man (i.e., the Prince which is to come) adds his human position of great power and authority to a covenant against Israel with an abundance of peoples and nations (Ezek. 38:8,11-12, Dan. 9: 27). Israel at this time of the confirming of this covenant will receive the super natural protection of Almighty God’s Two Witnesses (Moses and Elijah) who will also begin their ministry at this time for 1260 days and possess Almighty God's Divine authority. These two Witnesses of Almighty God will be extremely more powerful and than the anti - Christ and his global confederacy against Israel and will be used throughout the first half of this tribulation period by Almighty God to make His RIGHTEOUS ETERNAL Person known to a full blown godless world and unbelieving Israel (Rev. 11:3-6).
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Are you deliberately confusing Paul’s letter to the Galatians, or just out of your lack of reading comprehension?
The “works of the Law” is distinguished from Torah by the word “works.” It is the man made changes and additions to Torah created by the Pharisees.
The Faith of Yeshua is Torah 100%.
Torah was the only thing Yeshua preached to his disciples as “Faith.”
To turn away from Torah is to reject Yeshua and his payment in his blood.
Scripture condemns Judaism, Christianity, and every other man made religion. His narrow path is defined by the Torah he dedicated his life to preaching, and is not an “ism” of any kind.
Yehova’s grace is out of reach to the followers of isms, and itys, and is freely flowing to those that have a heart for his commandments.
Every “ism” or “ity” is true bondage.
“Hebrew Roots” is the Faith of Abraham, and nothing else. That faith was perfected at the cross, when the blood of Yeshua flowed through the crack in the rocks, down to the mercy seat of the Ark of the Covenant below, the same covenant that was thus Renewed at that moment.
There is no “New Covenant” with any “church” to be found anywhere in the scriptures. The covenant was renewed with “The House of Judah,” and “The House of Israel,” as prophesied by Jeremiah, and Ezekiel, and no new “church” is to be found in any prophecy.
The “scriptures” as recited by Yeshua and his apostles consists of Torah, the Prophets, the Writings, and the Histories.
They had nothing else.
Enough with the Dispy Doodles and their man made “Christianity.” If it is not to be found in the Scriptures, it is not for Yehova’s assembly (True Israel and those that sojourn with them).
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Read John’s first epistle to discover exactly what “Believe in the Lord Jesus” really means.
Your post shows that you lack that basic understanding of what a Hebrew meant when he called to “believe” in someone.
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If you don't consider the writings of the New Testament to be Scripture, then there's no point in arguing. What we have been trying to show you is that EVERYTHING we have said is found in the Scriptures yet you choose to ignore them all and refuse to answer basic questions. It is no wonder you reject the letters of Paul that the Holy Spirit inspired him to write. Had you believed, then you would see that the faith of Abraham was spoken as:
There are many more passages like this one. Your sidestep of insisting when Paul used the term "works of the law" he was talking about the Pharisee's perverted law is disproved over and over again ESPECIALLY when we know there WAS no law in Abraham's day! The faith he exhibited, the kind of faith that was demonstrated by how he lived, is that same faith we all are exhorted to have. Where you keep getting hung up is in asserting it is these acts, these works of faith, that justifies us. They don't! In fact, Paul speaks explicitly about that:
Please read these words carefully and prayerfully and let them sink into your heart. They are the truth because Jesus is the truth and the way and the life and no one comes to the Father but by Him. Faith and trust IN Him and not on your own works. It is the ONLY way to eternal life.
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The “new testament” writings are not the “scriptures” mentioned in any of the messianic writings.
One of Peter’s epistles was altered, adding in the word “other” to make it seem that he was calling Paul’s epistles “scriptures” but Peter knew full well what the scriptures were.
No matter how hard you try to twist Paul’s letter to the Galatians, the fact remains that “the works of the law” never refers to anything but the man made law of the pharisees.
“Faith” is always the willing obedience to Yehova’s commandments, and absolutely nothing else.
This is made plain in the many places that Yeshua denounced the deeds and doctrines of the scribes and Pharisees.
Your twisted desire to “disprove” what Yeshua established is of no factual effect. The book of Genesis proves the existence of Yehova’s law at the time that Cain killed Abel. How else would Abel’s proper sacrifice be approved, while Cain’s improper sacrifice was rejected?
One has to read the scriptures intelligently, not trying to squirm out of Yehova’s commandments.
Your attempt to squirm in Romans 4 would make Romans 2 a pack of lies (”doers, not hearers will be justified”)
Yehova’s word has you confounded every time you try to change it.
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The only squirmy, confounded one here is you, pal. You so easily toss out so much of SCRIPTURE just so that you can try to foist a cursed and perverted gospel onto unsuspecting people naïve of what ALL of God's word has to say. See how blithely you cast doubt upon Scripture by the spurious and unproven claim that words were altered, added, mistranslated - you sound just like a Mormon. Are you a Mormon? God can and has preserved his word - it will endure forever.
You are simply NOT a follower of Jesus Christ - you cannot even bring yourself to say His blessed name! Why do you continue to even post here as if you are His follower? You won't answer even the simplest questions asked of you and only toss out the same pack of lies that the devil has used from the start.
There certainly will be a judgment to come and it won't be about what works you did to justify yourself. If that's all you can present, you will never see the Kingdom of God. He sees your heart - what you really believe - and not what you do to be praised of men. Paul was right to warn believers of the wiles of the devil and those whom he uses to pervert and twist the gospel. Thankfully, the Holy Spirit prevents the sheep from being deceived and following after a hireling who doesn't care for the sheep. We know the true shepherd and He knows us and we follow Him. He gives us eternal life and we shall never perish.
My confidence is in Jesus Christ and what He has done for me - not on what I do for Him. My walk of obedience is because I love Him and am grateful for His matchless grace and mercy, not out of a need to merit or deserve it. Grace can NEVER be deserved - that's why it is called grace. I continue to pray this truth breaks through.
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The only one in this conversation that is tossing out the scriptures is you.
You attempt to do so based solely on twisted confused misreading of easily understood writings of the apostle Paul.
Peter wrote about you 2000 years ago, in his second epistle, particularly in the third chapter, regarding the wresting with Paul’s words to turn them on their head to avoid obedience to Yehova’s commandments.
Yeshua spoke as recorded in Matthew ch 5, that he came to fulfill Torah, and that none of it shall pass until Heaven and Earth have passed.
He left no room for your bizarre theology whatsoever.
Finally, I am a follower of our savior and Messiach, Yeshua, which name is most blessed in Heaven and on Earth. I reject the curse against his name that you choose to embrace, and will continue to expose those that curse Yeshua’s name.
The prophet Joel declared that whosoever calls out the Name of Yehova shall be delivered. How can anyone be delivered if they don’t even know his name?
How can you confess his son if you reject his name and confess the curse?
The time for reality is at hand.
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Wrong, e-s, I’m the one POSTING the Scriptures and you are the one tossing them out even referring to the New Testament writings as NOT Scripture! Everyone can see this but you, apparently.
Your continued avoidance of questions while you unceasingly toss out your ridiculous ANTI-Christian drivel is also noticed.
You also continue to ignore that I repeatedly state that I am in obedience to the commandments of Jesus (you hate that name for ignorant reasons but I will keep using it because I know what it really means). What you keep missing is that obedience to Christ’s commandments is how we show we love Him and that He is our Lord as well as our Savior and God. This obedience, however, is NOT what saves us or justifies us before God - your false interpretation of Matthew notwithstanding. No, we are made righteous through faith and NOT by any works we do. Until that truth sinks in you will stay on the wrong course imagining you make yourself worthy of grace. Abraham BELIEVED God and it was accounted to him as righteousness. Dwell on that reality.
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You post bits and pieces ripped out of context, and declare them to mean the diametric opposite of their intended meanings.
That is wresting with the words of the writer.
That is what Peter’s second epistle is all about.
You embrace the curse against our savior’s name openly.
You brazenly equate obedience to the Father’s commandments with the pharisees’ works.
Belief is obedience to the commandments. No amount of wresting on your part will change that fact of the scriptures. You seem to believe that your understanding is superior to the apostle John’s understanding, which was gained at Yeshua’s side, and under his teaching.
Abraham’s belief was exhibited in total obedience to the commandments.
You will be absent at the wedding feast if you have willfully skipped the rehearsals.
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from http://www.heartofisrael.net/mdl/SacredName.htm:
The history of the Sacred Name Cults shows them to be derived of the Millerite sects, the Adventists and the Church of God, and thus from the false prophet William Miller who prophesied the return of Jesus in 1843 and made a subsequent false prophecy concerning 1845. Though his group self destructed by the mid 19th century the followers became the Adventists and later Church of God sects, preserving the strict legalism and false prophetic bents of the original group.
These groups are founded on hatred and bitterness and a private interpretation of the scriptures which does not bear up to close scrutiny by the Word of G-d. Though claiming to be Torah Observant Messianics they like the Pharisees use their personal interpretation of Torah as a weapon to condemn all others and so miss the heart of Torah completely choosing to judge and condemn instead of loving their neighbor as themselves.
Common Errors of the Sacred Name Movement
Jesus comes from Zeus
Using the fact that the English name of the Messiah, Jesus, ends in a US they insist that this name is actually derived from the name of the leader of the greek Pantheon. They have no etymology or historical references to support this supposition, only the similarity of the English name to a Greek name. The entimology of the name Jesus is well in history and linguistic studies. The hebrew name Y'shua, a variant of Yoshua, became Iesous in the Greek of the Brit Chadashah (New Testament). This name in the Romance languages of Europe became Hesus or Iesus depending on where you were in Europe. In the Germanic tongues (from which English is derived) the I became hardened into a J and the proper English name for the Messiah became JESUS.
There is no evidence whatsoever that the English translators of the bible were followers of the Greco-Roman Pantheon or that they would have used the Greek god Zeus to obtain the name of the Messiah.
The Brit Chadashah (New Testament) was written in Aramaic not in Greek.
The testimony of the AnteNicean Fathers (written well before the foundations of the Roman Catholic Church) was that the majority of the New Testament was wrotten in Greek. Matthews Gospel as well as James and Hebrews may very probably have been written in Aramaic, but there is no reliable manuscript evidence that points to a preserved Aramaic text older than the forth century Peshitta (the Syriac version of the Bible). Furthermore, many of the concepts expressed in the New Testament could not have been presented in a concide language of commerce such as Hebrew or Aramaic and needed a philosophical language such as Greek to express the entirety of their thought. For instance: The passage at the end of John where the risen Messiah and Peter (Kefa) enter into a discussion where he is asked if he loves the Messiah.
The first two times Y'shua asked Kefa if he Agapao him and Kefa replied that he Phileo him. The last time the Messiah asked if Kefa could Phileo him and he wept. Agapao implies unconditional love whereas Phileo is a love that is conditional. In the Semitic tongues there is only one word for LOVE,,, Ahav. Not only would the meaning be lost to us, but if Kefa and Y'shua were speaking Hebrew or Aramaic the meaning would have been lost to Kefa and there would have been no reason for Kefa to be grieved.
The simple fact is that Koine Greek was the Lingua Franca of the Hellenized world much as English is today. People routinely spoke to one another in Koine (which means Common) Greek. To reach the world with the message of the Gospel it would have been necessary to use the common language of the world WHICH WAS GREEK.
Any Term not in Hebrew is Pagan in Origin
This includes words like God, Holy, Sacred... anything in any language which is not Hebrew in origin. Bereshit (Genesis) 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
The author of the languages of man was the Most High G-d, who confused the languages at Babel. The assumption that languages in themselves are pagan in origin implies that G-d is the author of the pagan religions of man.
The Real Heart of the Matter
Sacred Namers want to stick the name Yahveh into every thing they write and everything they read. They have published their own versions of the bible with the sacred name pronounced into every name. Without a thorough understanding of Hebraic culture or idiom, these gentiles want to change the name of the Messiah from Y'shua (The Salvation of G-d) to Yahshua (phonetically the same as Yoshua - G-d is Salvation) simply to get the sacred name of YAH into the name of the Messiah. Y'shua is a Hebraic name, Yoshua is a different Hebraic name, but YAHshua is an invention of Gentiles looking for a magic formula and the not the name of the Redeemer.
This is worse than another gospel... this is the gospel of incantation. A form of salvation by reciting the appropriate magic formula. In other words, WITCHCRAFT. And to compound the error and make it into SIN which leads to DEATH... they pass judgment on all who will not repeat their magic name.
When Y'shua/Jesus came to judge between the sheep and the goats, not one sheep was found worthy from knowing the magic name of G-d. Not one goat was condemned for calling the Messiah Zeus. The sheep were welcomed into the sheep pan because they loved, which is righteous judgement, the goats rejected for not judging righteously and in love.
How to Respond to the Sacred Namer
Turn their own doctrine back at them
1. "There is no other name given under heaven amongst men by which we must be saved"
2. Jesus is the name of the Messiah in English, this we know for certain. Y'shua is a Hebrew equivalent as is Yoshua... but YAHShua? Never heard if him... it is neither English nor Greek nor even Hebrew, it is an invention of Americans who came out of sect of the Christian Church... a sect that rejects the very religion it came from as being pagan.
3. Paul preached the unknown G-d and never once during that sermon mentioned the name of G-d, how was anyone saved?
4. You do not know the name of the redeemer so by your own doctrine you are condemned.
5. You do not know the person of the redeemer because you practice unrighteous judgment based on your own false understanding of the name of G-d therefore according to the Living Torah as given by Y'shua himself, you are a stone white sepulcher full of dead men's bones. Repent of your sins and come to Messiah... learn of the person through his Word (Davar) and his Ruach (Spirit) and you shall receive the FREE GIFT of Salvation.
Do not bow to their insults, do not be led astray by their foolishness. Proclaim the Word and then if rejected shake the dust off your feet.
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You are working for the adversary.
Names do not “translate.”
Wherever you go, your name is your name.
Jesus is a Pharisee sage curse against the name of Messiach, Yeshua.
He was never called by any other name when he walked the Earth.
He will not be called by any other name by any member of his kehillah (assembly, congregation).
If you do not call out to the Father or the Son by their real name, you are talking to someone else. (if i were you, I would be worried about who it may be)
No amount of diversion, or dissimulation by any self appointed expert can change the word of YEHOVA!
Believers of the Tanakh of Yehova are most certainly not the cult! (their accusers are a cult)
Anything presented as worship that is not from the Tanakh is by definition pagan. The Tanakh was the scriptures to Yeshua, and every one of his followers for three centuries.
Hatred and bitterness is exactly what I read in your recent replies, along with dismissal of the proven word of Yehova.
Jesus does not come from “Zeus,” it is the Greek transliteration of the sages acronym YSHU for “Yimach Shimo Uezichro,” (May his name be forgotten and never remembered).
It may well have been accepted by the very pagan Greeks and Romans due to its similarity to Zeus, but it was not the Sages’ intention.
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See, you're saying the exact same things that website I linked to said your ilk do. As for "that" name you claim must be professed properly or else, how do you answer this:
YHVH, YHWH, Yahweh, Yahveh, Yaveh, Yaweh, Jehova, Jehovah, Jahova, Jahovah, Yahova, Yahovah, Yahowah, Jahowa, Jahowah, Yahavah, Jahavah, Yahowe, Yahoweh, Jahaveh, Jahaweh, Yahaveh, Yahaweh, Jahuweh, Yahuweh, Jahuwah, Yahuwah, Yahuah Yah, Jah, Yahu, Yahoo, Yaohu, Jahu, Yahvah, Jahvah, Jahve, Jahveh, Yahve, Yahwe, Yauhu, Yawhu, Iahu, Iahou, Iahoo, Iahueh Jeshua, Yeshua, Yeshuah, Yehshua, Yehshuah, Yeshouah, Y'shua, Y'shuah, Jeshu, Yeshu, Yehoshua, Yehoshuah, YHVHShua, YHVHShuah, Yhvhshua, Yhwhshua, YHWHShua, YHWHShuah, Yhvhshuah, Yhwhshuah, Yahvehshua, Yahwehshua, Yahvehshuah, Yahwehshuah, Yawhushua,Yahawshua, Jahshua, Jahshuah, Jahshuwah, Jahoshua, Jahoshuah, Jashua, Jashuah, Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Yashua, Yashuah, Yahshua, Yahshuah, Yahushua, Yahushuah, Yahuahshua, Yahuahshuah, Yahoshua, Yahoshuah, Yaohushua, Yaohushuah, Yauhushua, Iahoshua, Iahoshuah, Iahushua, Iahushuah, YAHO-hoshu-WAH.3
As many variations as there are in these Sacred Name groups, by their own admission, if God is truly whispering His true Sacred Name into their ears, it would seem that He cannot remember His own Name! http://www.bethyeshua-idaho.com/brbooker/eBooks/Sacred%20Name.pdf
It's sad how you can imagine nobody in the early Christian church knew about this. That's the kind of silliness the Gnostics contended - that they alone were privy to the "secret things". I am confident that the Lord knows my heart and my faith and has accepted me as a member of His beloved bride. There's nothing you can say that will shake that assurance. My hope is built on nothing less than Jesus' blood and righteousness. I dare not trust the sweetest frame but wholly lean on Jesus' name.
You should do something about all that hate and bitterness in your heart. It's not healthy nor Christ-like.
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All you demonstrated is that I absolutely did not say the same thing.
I stuck with the ancient written word of Yehova.
You should have a look at it some time.
The proper pronunciation is shown twice in the Aleppo codex, and twice in the Russian codex. no guesswork necessary.
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That's the Hebrew written word? The one that has no vowels so that you cannot know for sure that it is Yehova and not Jehovah, or Yaweh, or JHVH, or YHVH, or...???
You should have a look at it some time. The proper pronunciation is shown twice in the Aleppo codex, and twice in the Russian codex. no guesswork necessary.
Wow! Better tell all those Sacred Name Movement people that Editor-Surveyor knows the REAL name so they can stop arguing among each other and find some unity.
Like I said, I'm confident that my faith is in Jesus Christ, the Shepherd of my soul, my Lord, my God and my Savior. He knows my heart and you don't.
As many variations as there are in these Sacred Name groups, by their own admission, if God is truly whispering His true Sacred Name into their ears, it would seem that He cannot remember His own Name!
Okay, that's one of the funniest things I've seen in a long while. Mostly because it makes this text potentially rather amusing:
Ex 3.
13. And Moses said to God, Behold, when I come to the people of Israel, and shall say to them, The God of your fathers has sent me to you; and they shall say to me, What is his name, what shall I say to them:
14. And God said to Moses, I AM WHO I AM; and he said, Thus shall you say to the people of Israel, I AM has sent me to you:
15. And God said moreover to Moses, Thus shall you say to the people of Israel, The Lord [YHVH] God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you; this is my name forever, and this is my memorial to all generations:
Kind of like, well 'I am who I am', but why stop there, nothing like a good monkey wrench for perpetual entertainment value...
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Your attack on the word has dramatically mounted, and your dependence on the lies of the nicolaitans has become increasingly visible.
Yet all you offer is faith in men’s lies to replace the proven word of Yehova.
Torah is his way, and all else is man made diversion.
Every position you espouse requires wresting with the word for its substance.
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When one yearns for an escape from Yehova’s loving words, a million man made paths become more and more appealing, and escape is found, not from his words, but from his rest.
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Like I said, I’m confident that my faith is in Jesus Christ, the Shepherd of my soul, my Lord, my God and my Savior. He knows my heart and you don’t.
Like I said, I’m confident that my faith is in Jesus Christ, the Shepherd of my soul, my Lord, my God and my Savior. He knows my heart and you don’t.
Like I said, I’m confident that my faith is in Jesus Christ, the Shepherd of my soul, my Lord, my God and my Savior. He knows my heart and you don’t.
Like I said, I’m confident that my faith is in Jesus Christ, the Shepherd of my soul, my Lord, my God and my Savior. He knows my heart and you don’t.
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Chanting means nothing.
Lots of people “know” things that are not so.
I have no need to know your heart.
I do know that what you preach here has no relationship to the word of Yehova, and that is all I have said.
Praying to a name that has no meaning is like shouting into an infinite void.
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Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. (John 10:1-15)
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Wow!
By your own first sentence, you are a thief and a robber!
You deny the names of both the Father and the Son, in spite of massive scriptural evidence.
You deny the commandments of both the Father and the Son, and yet attempt to steal into the resurrection of the true believers.
Matthew 7:21-27 is all about those that believe as you say that you do.
(”every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not”)
Keep on saying that you need not do his sayings, and that “grace” (totally misunderstood) will somehow take the place of his sayings.
Astounding!
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