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To: ealgeone
Mary of the Bible certainly did have other children...

Psalm69:8 I have become a stranger to my brothers, an alien to my mother's sons.

Matthew 1:24-25 When Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him: he took his wife, but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.

Matthew 12:46-47 While He was still speaking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him. And someone said to Him, “Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside seeking to speak to You.”

Matthew 13:55 “Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?

Mark 6:2-3 And when the Sabbath had come, He began to teach in the synagogue; and the many listeners were astonished, saying, “Where did this man get these things, and what is this wisdom given to Him, and such miracles as these performed by His hands?”... “Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James, and Joses, and Judas, and Simon? Are not His sisters here with us?”

John 2:12 After this He went down to Capernaum, He and His mother, and His brothers, and His disciples; and there they stayed a few days.”

Acts 1:14 These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers.

1 Corinthians 9:4-5 Do we not have a right to eat and drink? Do we not have a right to take along a believing wife, even as the rest of the apostles, and the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?

Galatians 1:19 But I did not see any other of the apostles except James, the Lord’s brother.

Strong's Concordance

http://biblehub.com/greek/80.htm

adelphos: a brother

Original Word: ἀδελφός, οῦ, ὁ

Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine

Transliteration: adelphos

Phonetic Spelling: (ad-el-fos')

Short Definition: a brother

Definition: a brother, member of the same religious community, especially a fellow-Christian.

Here is a link to the occurrences of the Greek word *adelphos*.

http://biblehub.com/greek/80.htm

The word *sister* (adelphe) in the Greek is the same.

http://biblehub.com/greek/79.htm

The word used is *brother* not *cousin*.

It can't mean a member of the same religious community in the context in which they occur, because then that would mean every man in Israel could be identified as Jesus' brother. So that would not identify Jesus as anyone in particular's brother.

It's not going to mean *brother in Christ* as that concept was not yet in place and the Jews, who knew Jesus as a Jew and knew His brothers as Jews, would not even begin to understand the new birth and what being in Christ meant.

They didn't even understand who JESUS was, much less being a *brother in Christ*.

The only definition left then, is to mean physical brother.

And it would not be *cousin*.

The word for *relative* that is used for Elizabeth is *suggenes*, not *adelphe*.

http://biblehub.com/greek/4773.htm

Strong's Concordance

suggenes: akin, a relative

Original Word: συγγενής, ές

Part of Speech: Adjective

Transliteration: suggenes

Phonetic Spelling: (soong-ghen-ace')

Short Definition: akin, a relative

Definition: akin to, related; subst: fellow countryman, kinsman.

And again, the only requirement was that Mary be virgin when she bore Jesus. When that happened, prophecy was fulfilled and the matter was then irrelevant.

Joseph was then free to take Mary AS HIS WIFE as the angel told him to.

And he knew her not until AFTER she gave birth.

22 posted on 09/22/2016 11:19:51 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

You do realize that *native Greek speakers* had all of this information in front of them for the last 2000 years, don’t you?

Did they believe in the ever-virginity of Our Lady, or not? Did they agree with you, or not?


31 posted on 09/23/2016 3:25:28 AM PDT by Claud
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To: metmom

Very well done. Excellent, irrefutable research.


36 posted on 09/23/2016 4:34:00 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: metmom
Obviously, when the Holy Scriptures were translated from the original text they forgot to check in with the RCC...

The RCC has the final interpretation of all scripture regardless of the actual words that are written and don't you forget it.../ S

43 posted on 09/23/2016 5:05:52 AM PDT by Popman
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To: metmom

Eight accounts of the family and they’re dismissed due to Catholic “tradition”. Amazing.


60 posted on 09/23/2016 6:30:37 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: metmom; ealgeone; MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
As always, the problem here is with the model used to derive the conclusions. If the model is flawed, so too will be the conclusions.

The problems with the model are obvious. Firstly, a half-baked Greek scholarship in contradiction to what the Greeks actually say (as pointed out by another poster). Wouldn't it be prudent to study the wrtings of the Greek Orthodox on Mary's perpetual virginity? They are Greek, after all.

Secondly, a rejection of 2,000 years of Church tradition on this subject and the writings of numerous saints and doctors.

Thirdly, a prideful, personal analysis of Scripture, divorced from the Church which gave us Scripture.

Put those three things together and it's a certainty that you'll end up in the swamp of heresy.

64 posted on 09/23/2016 7:14:47 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: metmom

Thank you!


213 posted on 09/24/2016 1:08:51 PM PDT by The Mayor (Honesty means never having to look over your shoulder.)
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